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post #1276 of 1302
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

I've odered the FiiO X5, with reservations:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/9540#post_10566042
I went a different route, got the Sony NWZ-F886. This one has a perfect UI. That is very important for me. But I am looking forward to your findings on the Fiio.
post #1277 of 1302
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post


I went a different route, got the Sony NWZ-F886. This one has a perfect UI. That is very important for me. But I am looking forward to your findings on the Fiio.

 

So tempting, as I love Sony products, but the lack of a true Line Out, much less coaxial out, plus the 32GB storage limit just kills it for me.

 

I'm not looking for a DAP - I'm looking for a DAP with no DAC and no amp.  For about the same price, the X5 gives me SD storage and my choice of line out or coaxial out.  But the X5's UI will probably drive me nuts.

 

Have you tried double-amping the F886?

post #1278 of 1302
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

 

I'm not looking for a DAP - I'm looking for a DAP with no DAC and no amp.  For about the same price, the X5 gives me SD storage and my choice of line out or coaxial out.  But the X5's UI will probably drive me nuts.

You, sir, are looking for a digital transport.  People understood what this was in the CD and DVD days -- just get me the bits and I'll reconstruct them elsewhere.  I wish someone would do this and make it all display and all UI -- pocketable, with replaceable solid-state memory and a USB host mode interface.  If it has any radios, make it WiFi only, or perhaps WiFi and Bluetooth -- but no cellular. 

 

I see you are getting the X5 -- I really really want to try this one out and go head-to-head with an iPod Video 5G with FiiO E12DIY amp.  Everyone says the X5 sounds better than an amped iPod, but I will be convinced only when I hear it.  Also, I need a real 256GB player to move forward as my two iPod(s) already have 128GB solid state in them. 

post #1279 of 1302
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

 

So tempting, as I love Sony products, but the lack of a true Line Out, much less coaxial out, plus the 32GB storage limit just kills it for me.

 

I'm not looking for a DAP - I'm looking for a DAP with no DAC and no amp.  For about the same price, the X5 gives me SD storage and my choice of line out or coaxial out.  But the X5's UI will probably drive me nuts.

 

Have you tried double-amping the F886?


I am amping with the Stepdance and E12 DIY I have. The F886 and the E12 make a nice stack and the sound result is very good, but the result with the Stepdance is even better. The bass is a dream through the Stepdance, so good controlled and hard hitting.

Listening to Eminem Curtain Call right now:

F886 Clear Baas @ 5, DSEE HX active so is Clear Phase and Clear Stereo Codec: Flac >  Meier >Stepdance @ 15 volt > JVC SZ2000 Headphone....... A Basshead dream. But also very good stage and instrument placements combined or caused by high grade micro detail.

post #1280 of 1302
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

I see you are getting the X5 -- I really really want to try this one out and go head-to-head with an iPod Video 5G with FiiO E12DIY amp.  Everyone says the X5 sounds better than an amped iPod, but I will be convinced only when I hear it.  Also, I need a real 256GB player to move forward as my two iPod(s) already have 128GB solid state in them. 

At least the F886 will not kill your Ipods, the sound difference is to be expected as the Ipods internals are quite old already, but it is not night and day. First of all it is different, not totally better. The amp and the files you use have much more influence.

post #1281 of 1302
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

You, sir, are looking for a digital transport.  People understood what this was in the CD and DVD days -- just get me the bits and I'll reconstruct them elsewhere.  I wish someone would do this and make it all display and all UI -- pocketable, with replaceable solid-state memory and a USB host mode interface.  If it has any radios, make it WiFi only, or perhaps WiFi and Bluetooth -- but no cellular. 

 

I see you are getting the X5 -- I really really want to try this one out and go head-to-head with an iPod Video 5G with FiiO E12DIY amp.  Everyone says the X5 sounds better than an amped iPod, but I will be convinced only when I hear it.  Also, I need a real 256GB player to move forward as my two iPod(s) already have 128GB solid state in them. 

 

Yes, exactly - that's all I really want - an SD card reader with a UI no fancier  (nor less fancy) than that of a Sansa Clip, with S/PDIF Coaxial Out.  The End.  But it doesn't exist.  Wahhh!  :-)

 

(Except for the Aune X5 and Aune X6, which I've read have junk UI's - surprise!)


Edited by zilch0md - 5/21/14 at 4:50pm
post #1282 of 1302
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 


I am amping with the Stepdance and E12 DIY I have. The F886 and the E12 make a nice stack and the sound result is very good, but the result with the Stepdance is even better. The bass is a dream through the Stepdance, so good controlled and hard hitting.

Listening to Eminem Curtain Call right now:

F886 Clear Baas @ 5, DSEE HX active so is Clear Phase and Clear Stereo Codec: Flac >  Meier >Stepdance @ 15 volt > JVC SZ2000 Headphone....... A Basshead dream. But also very good stage and instrument placements combined or caused by high grade micro detail.

 

You're killing me!  :-)  

 

You're probably aware that I have a Stepdance with 15V XP8000 battery pack.  It kind of makes sense that the F886 could be double-amped - given how it's S-Master technology is supposed to be so clean and transparent.  I would love to hear it, but again, the 32GB capacity stops me cold. (And I'm not willing to pay for the 128GB ZX1, either.)

 

Maybe after I get fed up with the X5 and return it...

 

:-)

post #1283 of 1302

Cowon P1 maybe? Not yet in the market but we have a thread in head-fi. It has digital out (optical though not coax) but it doesn't have line out.

 

Capacity 128 gb onboard + micro sd slot.

 

With usual Cowon things like Jet Audio, BBE and all too.

post #1284 of 1302
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

You're killing me!  :-)  

You're probably aware that I have a Stepdance with 15V XP8000 battery pack.  It kind of makes sense that the F886 could be double-amped - given how it's S-Master technology is supposed to be so clean and transparent.  I would love to hear it, but again, the 32GB capacity stops me cold. (And I'm not willing to pay for the 128GB ZX1, either.)

Maybe after I get fed up with the X5 and return it...

:-)
post #1285 of 1302
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

You, sir, are looking for a digital transport.  People understood what this was in the CD and DVD days -- just get me the bits and I'll reconstruct them elsewhere.  I wish someone would do this and make it all display and all UI -- pocketable, with replaceable solid-state memory and a USB host mode interface.  If it has any radios, make it WiFi only, or perhaps WiFi and Bluetooth -- but no cellular. 

I see you are getting the X5 -- I really really want to try this one out and go head-to-head with an iPod Video 5G with FiiO E12DIY amp.  Everyone says the X5 sounds better than an amped iPod, but I will be convinced only when I hear it.  Also, I need a real 256GB player to move forward as my two iPod(s) already have 128GB solid state in them. 

Why? Just why to all of the above. Sounds insane. How complicated do you want to make the playing of music?
post #1286 of 1302
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Originally Posted by Agharta View Post

Why? Just why to all of the above. Sounds insane. How complicated do you want to make the playing of music?

Why? Just why did you join Head-Fi? If you're listening to music with anything better than a Sansa Clip and ear buds, your comment is hypocritical.
post #1287 of 1302

The FiiO X5 is a keeper!  (I'm so surprised!)

 

See my just-posted impressions, following less than three days of use:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/9780#post_10579922

 

Mike

 

UPDATE - Pictures:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/9810#post_10580568


Edited by zilch0md - 5/26/14 at 12:11pm
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Having just become aware of the Audiophile DAP market myself, I'm just wondering:

 

1. How big anyone thinks the market is numbers wise.

 

2. Is Apple aware of this specilized market.

post #1289 of 1302
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Originally Posted by bana View Post
 

Having just become aware of the Audiophile DAP market myself, I'm just wondering:

 

1. How big anyone thinks the market is numbers wise.

 

2. Is Apple aware of this specilized market.

Apple is aware and they don't care. Their customers do no have any interest in Specialized DAPS, Apple fans want all in one devices, more than any other product on the market Apples are often the most user friendly and simple to use, do they sound the best... NOPE but they are... easy and hassle free IF you accept their terms conditions, for the average consumer it's just easier to sitck with Apple than learn to use something that's audibly better and price more competively, there is no price to high for ease of mind, and for those who are to busy to fuss with something other than apple, they will countinue to pay the price... however I just saw that Apple Purchased Beats and it's Streaming services... so we may see Apple Launch something like a DAP through the Beats Line... like a reBoot of the iPod into something more fashionable 

post #1290 of 1302
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Apple is aware and they don't care. Their customers do no have any interest in Specialized DAPS, Apple fans want all in one devices, more than any other product on the market Apples are often the most user friendly and simple to use, do they sound the best... NOPE but they are... easy and hassle free IF you accept their terms conditions, for the average consumer it's just easier to sitck with Apple than learn to use something that's audibly better and price more competively, there is no price to high for ease of mind, and for those who are to busy to fuss with something other than apple, they will countinue to pay the price... however I just saw that Apple Purchased Beats and it's Streaming services... so we may see Apple Launch something like a DAP through the Beats Line... like a reBoot of the iPod into something more fashionable 

 

Beg to differ.  It seems from recent insider rumour that Apple are considering high-res downloads, which would mean an upgrade to their current devices to accommodate it.  I personally think this would be a step in the right direction.  So it seems they do care.

 

I'd also disagree with your comment that their devices are audibly inferior.  That's not what I hear (or is measured) on the recent iPhones or iPod touches.  Properly conducted listening tests would be interesting I think.  But this will come down to a difference of opinion - that neither of us can objectively prove unless we could organise an independent, peer reviewed test.  Can't see that happening at this stage.  If Apple came out with an iPhone 6 capable of playing up to 24/96 (I'm OK with aac256 - but others will want higher), with 128-256 Gb onboard memory, and the ability to buy decent lossless masters via iTunes, I seriously doubt that I (or a lot of others) would look further to boutique DAPs.  Even if the onboard amp was a little weak - if you could get a clean line-out to an add on amp, I'd just add an Arrow (for full sized cans) and call it a day ;).

 

I know we'll disagree on this Mak - but I do genuinely see Apple looking seriously at the demand for higher quality (and lossless) music.

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