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Given the price, I like the X5. I don't care about DSD so much so in my mind it is playlist support away from being something I'd recommend.

post #1187 of 1306
I am so sick of gapless being an issue. Windows Phone doesn't do it meanwhile my 8 year old zune 30 does perfectly? Google play app nor Apollo do it for android, wtf. Now these friggin 4 figure daps can't do something so simple Microsoft got it right 8 years ago? A $30 sansa clip does it? Why do you people buy this garbage?
post #1188 of 1306
A DAP which can't do gapless is, IMHO, not fit for purpose.

This is just as annoying as those CD players in the 90s which couldn't handle discs with pre-emphasis.


Why is it so difficult to implement gapless properly? There seems to be a major technical issue here...
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Originally Posted by Mach-X View Post


I am so sick of gapless being an issue. Windows Phone doesn't do it meanwhile my 8 year old zune 30 does perfectly? Google play app nor Apollo do it for android, wtf. Now these friggin 4 figure daps can't do something so simple Microsoft got it right 8 years ago? A $30 sansa clip does it? Why do you people buy this garbage?

 

My Fiio X3 does it.  I have a Sansa Clip Zip and it's nice for listening to outside, but the Fiio has a much better set of internal electronics in it and on a good sound system I hear it.

 

Fiio FTW.

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My Fiio X3 does it.  I have a Sansa Clip Zip and it's nice for listening to outside, but the Fiio has a much better set of internal electronics in it and on a good sound system I hear it.

 

Fiio FTW.

 

Could you please give us a quick run-down on what's NOT working with the X3, currently (assuming you have the latest firmware)?   I stopped following the X3 thread several weeks back.

 

And (especially if you really don't think there's anything wrong with your X3, currently) can you please describe precisely how you use it - i.e. are you only folder browsing, not using playlists, only using WAV, only using 32GB cards, etc. etc.   (What hoops are you jumping through to stay clear of bugs?  What path have you found through the minefield?)

 

Thanks!

 

Mike

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Originally Posted by Mach-X View Post


I am so sick of gapless being an issue. Windows Phone doesn't do it meanwhile my 8 year old zune 30 does perfectly? Google play app nor Apollo do it for android, wtf. Now these friggin 4 figure daps can't do something so simple Microsoft got it right 8 years ago? A $30 sansa clip does it? Why do you people buy this garbage?

 

my thought exactly.

why is it so hard to do gapless right, i don't know.

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Oh my dog!  Thanks for this update ^.  

 

That just about closes the deal for me. 

 

I can wait a few more days for DigitalFreak to dig up some whatever he can find...

 

Mike


Since you're so curious, thus far I think my final findings will be positive. I think the UI could use some refinement but overall it seems to do its job acceptably well. Main gripe OS wise, when navigating through album list I wish the fonts were a little bigger. The form factor, overall, isn't to bad albeit there's a couple of things I'm not fond of. First, the SDCard slots have a rubber cover you have to pull on to pop out in order to insert your cards. Besides being a pain to open, I don't have long nails, I foresee these rubber covers eventually falling off from wear if you're one of those users with a ton of music who likes to swap SDCards in and out a lot. The body and buttons on the unit itself is quite sturdy but I'm not to fond of the big navigation wheel you use to navigate the icons. First off, it feels kind of cheap to the touch compared to everything else on the unit and secondly its rather slippery and its not uncommon for my finger to sometimes slide along the surface of the wheel while trying to navigate the OS. I wish Fiio had made the surface of the navigation wheel less slip prone. The sonics, its a rather neutralish sound and the frequencies seems well controlled and behaved. The treble isn't harsh or overly forward, mids have good detail and are quite linear and the bass extends well, doesn't bleed and has enough body to keep the average person happy. On some of my more busier music, think soundtrack symphony pieces, I find myself wishing the X5 had a tad more depth in its sound stage. Instrument placement could be better but in a pinch I could live with it. I think my AK120 beats it handily in the sonics dept but the X5 definitely trumps the DX50 and, IMO, matches up  well against my Studio V 3rd Anniversary Edition. It's a bird of a different feather compared to the more treble happy Studio V but they're both definitely in the same league nonetheless. Bugs, thus far I haven't run across anything to make me scowl. There has been a couple of times my music mysteriously started 2 or 3 seconds into the song but, overall, that bug hasn't manifested itself a lot. As I said its only happened a couple of times thus far. Compared to the nightmare I went through with the DX50 before a FW update made it usable the X5 performs decently enough to not make me want to take a hammer to it and its audio signature is right up my alley, in the neutralish ballpark. If Fiio further refines the sound, OS, and build quality of the X5 with the future X7 I think they could possibly have a real good DAP worth talking about in the near foreseeable future.

 

To date I've only listened to the X5 using my UERM. This long weekend I'm gonna pair it up with my HE400, Alpha Dog, Paradox and a few other headphones I possess and report back on my conclusions.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 4/17/14 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

 

Could you please give us a quick run-down on what's NOT working with the X3, currently (assuming you have the latest firmware)?   I stopped following the X3 thread several weeks back.

 

And (especially if you really don't think there's anything wrong with your X3, currently) can you please describe precisely how you use it - i.e. are you only folder browsing, not using playlists, only using WAV, only using 32GB cards, etc. etc.   (What hoops are you jumping through to stay clear of bugs?  What path have you found through the minefield?)

 

Thanks!

 

Mike

 

Not sure what firmware I have.  I bought it back in December and never bothered to upgrade the firmware.  Why fix it if it works fine?  I know if I listen to Dark Side Of The Moon, it will play continuously without the gaps.  I'm using WAV files created with dBpoweramp and I have a 64gb microSD card in it, formatted as FAT32.  I don't seem to have an issue with gapless.

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Not sure what firmware I have.  I bought it back in December and never bothered to upgrade the firmware.  Why fix it if it works fine?  I know if I listen to Dark Side Of The Moon, it will play continuously without the gaps.  I'm using WAV files created with dBpoweramp and I have a 64gb microSD card in it, formatted as FAT32.  I don't seem to have an issue with gapless.

 

Thanks for this.  I'm with you on not applying a firmware upgrade when there's nothing to fix.  ;) 

 

Do you only use folder navigation?  (I ask because I've read there are people who have chose to do that exclusively - to avoid issues - but that was a while ago.)  

 

How about searching by album, by song, by title?   Playlists?  Have you tried FLAC instead of WAV?  Are there problems with FLAC gapless, to your knowledge?  Is scrolling speed annoyingly slow?  

 

Any problems at all?

 

Thanks!  You're saving me a lot of research and I get bummed out reading the X3 thread.

 

Mike

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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

 

Thanks for this.  I'm with you on not applying a firmware upgrade when there's nothing to fix.  ;) 

 

Do you only use folder navigation?  (I ask because I've read there are people who have chose to do that exclusively - to avoid issues - but that was a while ago.)  

 

How about searching by album, by song, by title?   Playlists?  Have you tried FLAC instead of WAV?  Are there problems with FLAC gapless, to your knowledge?  Is scrolling speed annoyingly slow?  

 

Any problems at all?

 

Thanks!  You're saving me a lot of research and I get bummed out reading the X3 thread.

 

Mike

 

 

I have it set up with nested folders, usually I just hit "Play All" and let it shuffle.  I use WAV because it works on everything.  dBpoweramp can write tags to WAV files and my playback equipment (foobar2000, Fiio X3, Sansa Clip Zip) will recognize the tags.  I don't see a need to use FLAC.

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OK, thanks!   You're a happy camper with the X3, no doubt.  That's very promising.  I use WAV files, too - and they're all tagged with dBpoweramp, no less.  And I use those files with foobar2000 (and a Sansa Clip+ from time to time). So it's very nice to hear that my library of FAT32-formatted microSD cards can be used with the X3, as is.  

 

To accommodate my Sony PCM-M10, which can only read to a depth of one folder down below the root, all of my WAV files are in folders that are named as follows:  "Artist - Album".  Do you foresee a problem with this on the X3?  I realize you might be guessing to answer that question.  :o

 

Now, you haven't explicitly answered these prior questions, even though I might assume your lack of response means that all is well, so please forgive my reiteration.. 

 

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How about searching by album, by song, by title?  
 
Is scrolling speed annoyingly slow?  

 

Lastly (really - this is the last question):  I'm not concerned about X3's headphone out or Line Out, as my interest is strictly in using its Coaxial Out - which I've read from others, seems to work fine (once a file is playing).  

 

Do you have any experience with the X3 Coaxial Out?

 

Thanks again - a lot - you've got me really close to ordering the X3 - I love its price, for sure.

 

Mike

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Mike, X3 still has issues tagging files as far as I'm aware... other than that, it performed quite well. Navigating by folder is no problem at all and I'm pretty sure your current structure will be read without problems. When the library works ok (i.e if the database refresh works) tags are correctly read and you can play and or go through your list by album. I don't remember the player having a search function and going through thousands of files was very annoying/slow. The X5 is better on all fronts to me. More memory capacity, good quick updates, searching is better, audio quality is a step up, etc.

Using ak100 mk2 at the moment but I've library stuff is fixed, I'm getting an x5
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

OK, thanks!   You're a happy camper with the X3, no doubt.  That's very promising.  I use WAV files, too - and they're all tagged with dBpoweramp, no less.  And I use those files with foobar2000 (and a Sansa Clip+ from time to time). So it's very nice to hear that my library of FAT32-formatted microSD cards can be used with the X3, as is.  

 

To accommodate my Sony PCM-M10, which can only read to a depth of one folder down below the root, all of my WAV files are in folders that are named as follows:  "Artist - Album".  Do you foresee a problem with this on the X3?  I realize you might be guessing to answer that question.  :o

 

Now, you haven't explicitly answered these prior questions, even though I might assume your lack of response means that all is well, so please forgive my reiteration.. 

 

 

Lastly (really - this is the last question):  I'm not concerned about X3's headphone out or Line Out, as my interest is strictly in using its Coaxial Out - which I've read from others, seems to work fine (once a file is playing).  

 

Do you have any experience with the X3 Coaxial Out?

 

Thanks again - a lot - you've got me really close to ordering the X3 - I love its price, for sure.

 

Mike

 

You're like me, once I get one, I'll mostly use it for it's coaxial out.

Using the headphone out or line out is secondary.

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post
 

 

You're like me, once I get one, I'll mostly use it for it's coaxial out.

Using the headphone out or line out is secondary.

:beerchug:

post #1200 of 1306

My concerns at this day & age regarding an 'Audiophile' DAP.

 

ABOVE $500 range but less than $700

 

1. It MUST have removable battery.

2. DAC MUST be able to drive any IEM / Headphone that is regarded portable.

3. It should be as slim and pocketable as possible (including case when attached)

4. On board memory must be at least 500GB and have micro-sd support. (I dont see this happening in my life time unless ALIENS come here and provide this technology)

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