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post #916 of 2340

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Weren't you talking about amping when you said: "improve in this respect with amping"? Kind of confusing if you were talking about DACs. I guess I misunderstood your wording.

 

Anyway. HP-P1 and CLAS solutions were in vogue like 2 years ago, but with the recent advancement in DAPs, it's whole new world for me and much of Head-Fi. I'm not saying the X3 is better because I haven't seen a real comparison, but certainly the newly arriving X5 and DX90 might be superior. What I can say is that the X3 is several times more powerful and the components and implementation of the amp/dac section is pretty decent, and much better than something like an iPhone. Not sure if you thought I was actually using a phone to drive my 7520? Didn't see anyone saying that on this thread including me.

 

As for the HP-P1 working best with 32ohm or below. Yeah, it has to because 80mW isn't exactly a lot of power. It won't give you much headroom for headphones with high impedance; it won't be able to drive anything difficult at all, so saying it does best with 32ohms and below isn't shocking. Btw, who is this Headfonics guy? Not sure he's one of the "big" reviewers well know around these parts. Most people quote Tyll from Innerfidelity or Mike from Headfonia.

 

Not sure if you're trying to say the X3 is inadequate to show the soundstaging capabilities of the 7520? or what your exact point is, but either way I've heard the 7520 sourced by the Bifrost and also the Concero. Which are also fine midrange DACs. In fact I would venture to guess that the Concero is definitely the better DAC between it and the HP-P1, and pretty much showed off the soundstaging/imaging capabilities of the 7520 to pretty good extent. But if you want to say the HP-P1 is vastly superior I guess I don't really have anything to say because I've never heard the HP-P1

 

I'm trying very hard to think of a can that has a smaller soundstage than the 7520 out of all the cans I've owned/auditioned and the only thing that comes to mind is the Z1000. :tongue_smile: So yeah...

 

Sorry for any confusion, and I think your reading too much into what I've said. Frankly, I'm not into this like you are (not implying there's anything wrong with your enthusiastic interest) so I'm not worried about what's 'in vogue' or what the latest developments are. I'm sure there are better DAC/amps out there than the Fostex HP-P1, but it's a very neat and good sounding solution for portable use from a iDevice. BTW here's the page which the quote was from http://headfonics.com/2013/01/fostex-hp-p1-form-factor/

 

If I want something better I listen to my Marantz CD12 DA12 via my Lehmann BCL, so I know what a good Source, DAC, Amp sounds like. I know that the HP-P1 isn't the last word in sound quality (and neither is the stuff I just mentioned, although it's considerably better than anything you can carry around), but my comment about it sounding better with a proper DAC/amp was a result of reading things similar to this many times:-

 

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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post
 

I've had my 7520's for a few weeks now and out of all of the headphones I own (T1, MA900, X1, DBA-02, ER4P, HP100) these are getting the most ear time.  I also briefly owned the P7s and the HP50s and have since returned both of those.  I thought the P7s were way over-hyped.  They did not sound refined to me at all.  The HP50s were ok, but were a bit boomy in the bass to me and lacked some detail.  

 

The 7520s are just what I was looking for.  They are definitely my favorite closed can right now.  Just using them straight from an iPad Air they sound fantastic.  I love the detailed sound.  I am a detail freak and the fact that I can get this kind of detail without sacrificing somewhere else (mids, bass) is amazing.  The only thing I think they don't excel at is a coherent soundstage.  Don't get me wrong, the angled drivers give me a sense of space but when I used these briefly for gaming it seemed that as I panned sounds jumped from the left channel to the right channel more abruptly as opposed to smoothly panning on my other headphones (most of which are open).

 

Other than that though, I am very happy with the 7520s.  

 

 

I wasn't saying that I thought you used them direct from a standard device, I was just making the point that the soundstage can improve to the point of being acceptable (IMO of course) and not noticeably closed in if you use a good external amp or and DAC.


Edited by Mike F - 2/8/14 at 4:28am
post #917 of 2340
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

 

Anyway. HP-P1 and CLAS solutions were in vogue like 2 years ago, but with the recent advancement in DAPs, it's whole new world for me and much of Head-Fi. I'm not saying the X3 is better because I haven't seen a real comparison, but certainly the newly arriving X5 and DX90 might be superior. What I can say is that the X3 is several times more powerful and the components and implementation of the amp/dac section is pretty decent, and much better than something like an iPhone. Not sure if you thought I was actually using a phone to drive my 7520? Didn't see anyone saying that on this thread including me.

 

 

Actually, I think it's been said many times in this thread. I just started to have a quick look through - this was on page 2!

 

 

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Originally Posted by third_eye View Post
 


I think the 7520 has more sound stage depth than the MDR-1R, but similar width. Straight out of an Iphone, the 7520 puts vocals further out in front rather than "inside my head". One of the things I most like about it is its ability to scale with better equipment (and recordings).

 

Also, according to third_eye at least, the 7520 has better sound stage depth than the MDR-1R which Tyll rather liked. I also obviously agree with his final comment.


Edited by Mike F - 2/8/14 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by Mike F View Post
 

 

Also, according to third_eye at least, the 7520 has better sound stage depth than the MDR-1R which Tyll rather liked. I also obviously agree with his final comment.


Ah I see. Sorry about this. My mistake. So people are driving them off the iPhone. I thought your phone comment was directed at me specifically.

 

As for the 1R having worse depth. Hmm... I used to own the 1R, not sure about this. The 1R isn't exactly the last word in soundstaging either so hard for me to disagree as "depth" can be a tricky perception.

 

And please remember all my comments about the 7520 are relative to other cans. Not in the absolute sense. I'm not sure how many other headphones you've auditioned or owned, but recently popular headphones like the P7, H6, and even the new Beats Studio all have better staging capabilities. The P7 sounds wide open and very airy. I do like the 7520 better personally, but if someone says they sound "claustrophobic" compared to these others (and most headphones in the $400 mark), then I think it's an apt description.


Edited by M-13 - 2/8/14 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by ForceMajeure View Post

 

Hope that my impressions might help you with your search

 

BTW I see you had the k545 how did they compare to the BE's although this might not be the thread for that 

 

I ordered a pair...thanks for the info!

 

And to answer your question...the K545s were quite similar to the BEs...the only problem is that I could not get a decent seal with them while wearing my glasses so they had to go back.  If I didn't have to wear glasses, they'd be absolutely exactly what I was looking for.  I also tried a pair of Focal Spirit Pros and they are a little lighter on the bass, but quite similar as well.  The K545s edge them out tho, mainly because they are $100 cheaper...the sound sig was comparable so why pay more?  Hopefully the 7520s are more of the same...but with a full seal!  We'll see next week.  :)

post #920 of 2340
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post
 

 

I ordered a pair...thanks for the info!

 

And to answer your question...the K545s were quite similar to the BEs...the only problem is that I could not get a decent seal with them while wearing my glasses so they had to go back.  If I didn't have to wear glasses, they'd be absolutely exactly what I was looking for.  I also tried a pair of Focal Spirit Pros and they are a little lighter on the bass, but quite similar as well.  The K545s edge them out tho, mainly because they are $100 cheaper...the sound sig was comparable so why pay more?  Hopefully the 7520s are more of the same...but with a full seal!  We'll see next week.  :)

for me when I had both at the same time it was like this:

 

sony:

better bass and bass texture, the k545 not even close

way better seal but still no better isolation

more comfortable

more detail

less soundstage( k545 a lot better here)

better transient response

less bright (moderate difference)

better timbre

more forward

post #921 of 2340
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post
 

 

I ordered a pair...thanks for the info!

 

And to answer your question...the K545s were quite similar to the BEs...the only problem is that I could not get a decent seal with them while wearing my glasses so they had to go back.  If I didn't have to wear glasses, they'd be absolutely exactly what I was looking for.  I also tried a pair of Focal Spirit Pros and they are a little lighter on the bass, but quite similar as well.  The K545s edge them out tho, mainly because they are $100 cheaper...the sound sig was comparable so why pay more?  Hopefully the 7520s are more of the same...but with a full seal!  We'll see next week.  :)

Alright, waiting for your impressions.

I don't wear glasses but today i've tried the 7520 with sunglasses on, and I didn't lose seal...clamping wise it should be ok,

be sure that you take the cups a notch down so they'll envelop the bottom ends of your ears correctly.

Doing so the clamping pressure will be distributed more evenly and less towards the upper part of the cups (because of the glasses pressing much more against the pads) which may cause the bottom part of the cup rise and loose seal with your neck.


Edited by ForceMajeure - 2/10/14 at 3:22pm
post #922 of 2340
Well got my 7520s today and outside of them being pretty bright...they are fantastic. Nice low end and a ton of clarity. I am hoping the highs tame a bit after some run. No fit problems at all. Super comfy and plenty of room inside the pads. Perfect seal even with my glasses. I've got high hopes for these things going forward. I'm running them out of an iPad Air or iPod touch via the CCK and a JDS Labs C5D...a pretty nice portable combo.
post #923 of 2340
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post

Well got my 7520s today and outside of them being pretty bright...they are fantastic. Nice low end and a ton of clarity. I am hoping the highs tame a bit after some run. No fit problems at all. Super comfy and plenty of room inside the pads. Perfect seal even with my glasses. I've got high hopes for these things going forward. I'm running them out of an iPad Air or iPod touch via the CCK and a JDS Labs C5D...a pretty nice portable combo.

Nice, after ~40hr of burnin bass will get tighter and the highs will be more controlled and a bit less spiky.

I'm sure that you will get amazed by their capabilities during the next few weeks as I was :)

 

Be sure to play with the height of the cups as they can change the overall perceived sound quality a bit,

the first two days I got them I wore them with zero notch down and was OK with it but then I decided to take them 2 notch down on each side and it was much better,

bigger soundstage, better comfort and they got way less hot during long listening sessions.  

post #924 of 2340
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Edited by Andrew_WOT - 2/15/14 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Nice, change your avatar unless you want more people having you on the block list.

 

Huh?  What's wrong with Slug from Atmosphere?  Am I missing something?

post #926 of 2340
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post

Well got my 7520s today and outside of them being pretty bright...they are fantastic. Nice low end and a ton of clarity. I am hoping the highs tame a bit after some run. No fit problems at all. Super comfy and plenty of room inside the pads. Perfect seal even with my glasses. I've got high hopes for these things going forward. I'm running them out of an iPad Air or iPod touch via the CCK and a JDS Labs C5D...a pretty nice portable combo.

:blink: pretty bright?

 


glad your plane landed.:smile_phones: 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 2/11/14 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post

Huh?  What's wrong with Slug from Atmosphere?  Am I missing something?
haha I thought that was real pic of you.
Hmm I dunno maybe intimidating? Lol

Anyway, I think these Sony are special in that they are what I feel the ultrasone pro900 should have been.
The bass on these things seem sooo impressive and not in a boomy or bloated or overdone way.
Just impressive huge deep clean realistic bass.
Almost "Denon like" but more neutral and clean.
Bass triggers my mind to say it's closer to my fostex th600 although I haven't done a comparison yet.
The mids sound real.
The treble detailed and a bit "spicy" where they sometimes touch a little hot or sibilant tone like 40% of the time but not always,
Hence me calling them "spicy".
Yet I have not burned mine in yet.
I just set them up to play in a dresser drawer full of clothes.
I will come back to them in a few days lol.
Edited by Maxx134 - 2/11/14 at 9:34pm
post #928 of 2340

Another few hours of head time and I'm more and more impressed with these things every minute.  In the last month, I've tried:  V-MODA M100 (my current headphones), K545, B&O H6, Philips L1, Philips X1, Beats Studio 2013, DNA Pro and the Sol Mix Masters.  All had significant pluses and minuses...and none were even close to perfect.  

 

The closest was probably the K545, but being that I wear glasses, they were horrible at getting a seal.  I'd have to remove my glasses.  When I did so, the sound was quite similar to the 7520...(with less bass it seems after 5 hours of play time).  So I really wanted to find something with a similar sig as the M100 is just too bassy for me.  I hate it when the cup rattles under hard hitting bass.  Sure, the 7520 does a bit when powered by my C5D...but not even close to as much.  They really did reduce the vibration w/ the new cup material.

 

The sound really just makes me smile...it was exactly what I was looking for.  There really isn't a single complaint outside of the "no real carrying case" and a horrible stock cable (cannot stand coiled).  I just swapped it with my V-MODA 3 button cable I had from some old M80s and it works perfectly with very minimal sound change.  The other piece of good news is the connector is stock so you can use whatever cables you want with it...which means that the V-MODA Boom Mic works!  I need to be able to game a bit in my full sized headphones so this is fantastic news.

 

And wow...these things are definitely comfy.  The H6s and the Studio Pros were about the only ones as comfortable, but the sound sigs just weren't for me.  So damn...I'm happy.

 

Thanks to all those before me who blazed the trail and shared their experiences.  This is a fantastic night.  :)

post #929 of 2340
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post
 

Another few hours of head time and I'm more and more impressed with these things every minute.  In the last month, I've tried:  V-MODA M100 (my current headphones), K545, B&O H6, Philips L1, Philips X1, Beats Studio 2013, DNA Pro and the Sol Mix Masters.  All had significant pluses and minuses...and none were even close to perfect.  

 

The closest was probably the K545, but being that I wear glasses, they were horrible at getting a seal.  I'd have to remove my glasses.  When I did so, the sound was quite similar to the 7520...(with less bass it seems after 5 hours of play time).  So I really wanted to find something with a similar sig as the M100 is just too bassy for me.  I hate it when the cup rattles under hard hitting bass.  Sure, the 7520 does a bit when powered by my C5D...but not even close to as much.  They really did reduce the vibration w/ the new cup material.

 

The sound really just makes me smile...it was exactly what I was looking for.  There really isn't a single complaint outside of the "no real carrying case" and a horrible stock cable (cannot stand coiled).  I just swapped it with my V-MODA 3 button cable I had from some old M80s and it works perfectly with very minimal sound change.  The other piece of good news is the connector is stock so you can use whatever cables you want with it...which means that the V-MODA Boom Mic works!  I need to be able to game a bit in my full sized headphones so this is fantastic news.

 

And wow...these things are definitely comfy.  The H6s and the Studio Pros were about the only ones as comfortable, but the sound sigs just weren't for me.  So damn...I'm happy.

 

Thanks to all those before me who blazed the trail and shared their experiences.  This is a fantastic night.  :)

Welcome to the club dude :)

post #930 of 2340

Received my 7520's yesterday.

First impressions sounding really boxed in and lacking  treble extension compared to my Denon 2000's. 

 

Not as comfy as the Denons but much lighter and smaller.

These Sony's could be the ultimate in portable cans.

 

Will update as I burn these suckers in

 

Regards

Trev

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