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post #571 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Mike F View Post

 

$55. Import tax was another matter (22%!) but they still worked out a bit cheaper than the ones I bought from the UK. Europe is not a cheap place to live!

 

Tell that to the French guy. :( 

post #572 of 2340

The often discussed subject of bass and 7520.

 

The strong and yet detailed bass on the 7520 headphones and their unique, almost percussive character is something to take into consideration, when pairing them with an amp. They are very easy for an amp to drive due to their electrical specs, but at the same time they seem to magnify any attempt on the amp side to "warm up" the sound even the slightest.

 

Adding some "analogue" warmth and body to the amp's signature may work on some headphones, but not with the 7520. The phones will exagerate any coloration or muddyness in the bass area and relentlessly disclose it as too much. That's how I feel after trying them on several amps. Some work, some not so much. I guess you could say the 7520 are on the bassy side, but I just think they are extremely sensitive to whatever is going on in the low frequencies.

 

Which brings me to why they are so precious to me as a mixing engineer. I mix on speakers but sometimes also on headphones. When forced to mix on headphones, I need minimum leakage and so I use the 7520 for this. Using a suitable amp. The lower frequencies of a mix is very tricky to get right. By "right" I mean it's very tricky to have your mix, and especially the amount of bass in your mix, translate well to other systems like the car speakers, the living room hifi-speakers, the club, the ghettoblaster etc. The 7520 helps that process by being so ******* choleric about it. Choleric in a good way, if that makes any sense. Thank you, Sony.... but bring us some deeper ear pads now, will ya'?!

post #573 of 2340

Btw. this thread is "working". B&H just bumped the 7520 by $80!

post #574 of 2340

Ouch! Got mine just in time then! :)

post #575 of 2340
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Originally Posted by jackson1 View Post
 

The often discussed subject of bass and 7520.

 

The strong and yet detailed bass on the 7520 headphones and their unique, almost percussive character is something to take into consideration, when pairing them with an amp. They are very easy for an amp to drive due to their electrical specs, but at the same time they seem to magnify any attempt on the amp side to "warm up" the sound even the slightest.

 

Adding some "analogue" warmth and body to the amp's signature may work on some headphones, but not with the 7520. The phones will exagerate any coloration or muddyness in the bass area and relentlessly disclose it as too much. That's how I feel after trying them on several amps. Some work, some not so much. I guess you could say the 7520 are on the bassy side, but I just think they are extremely sensitive to whatever is going on in the low frequencies.

 

Which brings me to why they are so precious to me as a mixing engineer. I mix on speakers but sometimes also on headphones. When forced to mix on headphones, I need minimum leakage and so I use the 7520 for this. Using a suitable amp. The lower frequencies of a mix is very tricky to get right. By "right" I mean it's very tricky to have your mix, and especially the amount of bass in your mix, translate well to other systems like the car speakers, the living room hifi-speakers, the club, the ghettoblaster etc. The 7520 helps that process by being so ******* choleric about it. Choleric in a good way, if that makes any sense. Thank you, Sony.... but bring us some deeper ear pads now, will ya'?!

 

Read a similar thing about the bass translating well from mixes done on the 7520 many times. They certainly are ruthless about the material and source though. That's a good thing IMO. Sound great from my iPod and iPhone via the Fostex HP-P1!

post #576 of 2340
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Originally Posted by jackson1 View Post

Btw. this thread is "working". B&H just bumped the 7520 by $80!
LOL, still worth every penny.
post #577 of 2340
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackson1 View Post
 

The often discussed subject of bass and 7520.

 

The strong and yet detailed bass on the 7520 headphones and their unique, almost percussive character is something to take into consideration, when pairing them with an amp. They are very easy for an amp to drive due to their electrical specs, but at the same time they seem to magnify any attempt on the amp side to "warm up" the sound even the slightest.

 

Adding some "analogue" warmth and body to the amp's signature may work on some headphones, but not with the 7520. The phones will exagerate any coloration or muddyness in the bass area and relentlessly disclose it as too much. That's how I feel after trying them on several amps. Some work, some not so much. I guess you could say the 7520 are on the bassy side, but I just think they are extremely sensitive to whatever is going on in the low frequencies.

 

Which brings me to why they are so precious to me as a mixing engineer. I mix on speakers but sometimes also on headphones. When forced to mix on headphones, I need minimum leakage and so I use the 7520 for this. Using a suitable amp. The lower frequencies of a mix is very tricky to get right. By "right" I mean it's very tricky to have your mix, and especially the amount of bass in your mix, translate well to other systems like the car speakers, the living room hifi-speakers, the club, the ghettoblaster etc. The 7520 helps that process by being so ******* choleric about it. Choleric in a good way, if that makes any sense. Thank you, Sony.... but bring us some deeper ear pads now, will ya'?!

Try the Shure 840 pads :) I haven't looked back since I've tried those. Also have the 1840 (velour) pads, but I mostly listen to the 840 pads, as the 1840 pads only work with certain types of music, whereas the 840 are closest in sound signature to the stock pads.

post #578 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Mike F View Post
 

 

$55. Import tax was another matter (22%!) but they still worked out a bit cheaper than the ones I bought from the UK. Europe is not a cheap place to live!

How much a month do you pay for health insurance?  $700-$1200?

post #579 of 2340
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Originally Posted by bixby View Post
 

How much a month do you pay for health insurance?  $700-$1200?

 

Good point, but health care is not cheap here, at least compared to the UK. What else do you pay more for? No. let's not go there. I'm very happy here, and I hope you're happy there. Every place has it's pros and cons. But $509 (now $589!) for the 7520! Still worth every Euro!

post #580 of 2340
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Originally Posted by starfly View Post
Try the Shure 840 pads :)

 

Yeah, I know :) I have all of yours and Andrew_WOT's comments about this fresh in memory, so one of these days I should probably order them.


Edited by jackson1 - 1/6/14 at 3:48am
post #581 of 2340

Talking of the sound from various Sony headphones, it will be very interesting to see the FR graph of the 7520 when Headroom get round to doing it. Here's a graph comparing the Z1000, V6, 7509HD, and 7506.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3381&graphID[]=1513&graphID[]=2371&graphID[]=2361&scale=30

 

The V6 and 7506 are, as expected, very similar, and the Z1000 and the 7509HD are also remarkably similar. There's some difference in the amount of bass roll off, but they're all very flat through the critical range from around 200Hz to 2000Hz and share a very similar shape response above that. I very much suspect that the 7520 will look very similar but with less bass roll off.

 

I think though, that this graph proves (it does in my mind anyway) that you really can't tell how good a headphone will sound from the FR graph. The V6 clearly has the 'best' FR, but surely no one would seriously argue that the V6 sounds better than the Z1000?! Interesting.


Edited by Mike F - 1/6/14 at 2:08am
post #582 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Mike F View Post
 

Talking of the sound from various Sony headphones, it will be very interesting to see the FR graph of the 7520 when Headroom get round to doing it. Here's a graph comparing the Z1000, V6, 7509HD, and 7506.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3381&graphID[]=1513&graphID[]=2371&graphID[]=2361&scale=30

 

The V6 and 7506 are, as expected, very similar, and the Z1000 and the 7509HD are also remarkably similar. There's some difference in the amount of bass roll off, but they're all very flat through the critical range from around 200Hz to 2000Hz and share a very similar shape response above that. I very much suspect that the 7520 will look very similar but with less bass roll off.

 

I think though, that this graph proves (it does in my mind anyway) that you really can't tell how good a headphone will sound from the FR graph. The V6 clearly has the 'best' FR, but surely no one would seriously argue that the V6 sounds better than the Z1000?! Interesting.

I am also waiting for this graph to come. I think it will be like a 7509 without the bass roll off.

post #583 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Pier Paolo View Post
 

I am also waiting for this graph to come. I think it will be like a 7509 without the bass roll off.


Earlier in this thread there was already a graph comparing the 7520 and Z1000. Based on that chart, you should be able to make a comparison with the Headroom charts. The takeout was that the 7520 has much less bass roll-off vs. the Z1000, and the Z1000 has a slightly more emphasized midrange (IIRC).

 

Edit: this is the chart:

 


Edited by starfly - 1/6/14 at 7:38am
post #584 of 2340
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Originally Posted by starfly View Post
 


Earlier in this thread there was already a graph comparing the 7520 and Z1000. Based on that chart, you should be able to make a comparison with the Headroom charts. The takeout was that the 7520 has much less bass roll-off vs. the Z1000, and the Z1000 has a slightly more emphasized midrange (IIRC).

 

Edit: this is the chart:

 

 

In theory that ought to be possible, but those graphs don't compare, or even agree, as far as I can see.

post #585 of 2340

Thanks Starfly for the graph. The problem is that it is so different from the headroom one......especially at 7 KZ.....

 

...that I can't believe it is the same HP.

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