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post #1036 of 2343
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Originally Posted by bixby View Post

this is interesting, from the audio check site:  http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_frequencychecklow.php
I heard 16hz no prob and suspect everyone here that has a 7520 will easily hear 18hz.
As for 14hz I think that is all up to your system ability to push that pressure on your eardrum as I doubt you can actually hear that ha!
I have both the focal spirit pro, and the NAD50 on their way to kick my sony7520 but!
Personally I doubt either could touch the Sony's bass.
After I let them all fight it out, I will be selling them all as I just wanted to own them and have no intention to keep these anymore...
Why?
I now have the ultrasone ed8 glued to my head and they did some crazy schiit to my ears as they took possession over my ears..

In case anyone wants to know I do like the sony7520 but mainly in its clear bass and neutral mids.
I don't care for its shiny trebles because the higher esw11 & ed8 does it better but really can't complain these Sony are definitely a cut above most.

More impressions to come later..
My current gear is an odac & schiit vali combo..
Plan to upgrade once I get rid of all these cans!
Edited by Maxx134 - 2/26/14 at 4:50pm
post #1037 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post


I heard 16hz no prob and suspect everyone here that has a 7520 will easily hear 18hz.
As for 14hz I think that is all up to your system ability to push that pressure on your eardrum as I doubt you can actually hear that ha!
I have both the focal spirit pro, and the NAD50 on their way to kick my sony7520 but!
Personally I doubt either could touch the Sony's bass.
After I let them all fight it out, I will be selling them all as I just wanted to own them and have no intention to keep these anymore...
Why?
I now have the ultrasone ed8 glued to my head and they did some crazy schiit to my ears as they took possession over my ears..

In case anyone wants to know I do like the sony7520 but mainly in its clear bass and neutral mids.
I don't care for its shiny trebles because the higher esw11 & ed8 does it better but really can't complain these Sony are definitely a cut above most.

More impressions to come later..
My current gear is an odac & schiit vali combo..
Plan to upgrade once I get rid of all these cans!

I'd be interested in how they both fit you.  Just got the NADs a few weeks ago and am a bit annoyed that they are also too small an opening as well.  The bottom of my ear folds up naturally to get them to be "around"  the ear.  But they are so soft I am not too uncomfortable with it.

 

So far that is.

post #1038 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

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Originally Posted by bixby View Post

this is interesting, from the audio check site: http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_frequencychecklow.php
I heard 16hz no prob and suspect everyone here that has a 7520 will easily hear 18hz.
As for 14hz I think that is all up to your system ability to push that pressure on your eardrum as I doubt you can actually hear that ha!
I have both the focal spirit pro, and the NAD50 on their way to kick my sony7520 but!
Personally I doubt either could touch the Sony's bass.
After I let them all fight it out, I will be selling them all as I just wanted to own them and have no intention to keep these anymore...
Why?
I now have the ultrasone ed8 glued to my head and they did some crazy schiit to my ears as they took possession over my ears..

In case anyone wants to know I do like the sony7520 but mainly in its clear bass and neutral mids.
I don't care for its shiny trebles because the higher esw11 & ed8 does it better but really can't complain these Sony are definitely a cut above most.

More impressions to come later..
My current gear is an odac & schiit vali combo..
Plan to upgrade once I get rid of all these cans!

How much did that combo improve your 7520's??

Am thinking of picking up a schiit product but am not sure how much improvement I will get.


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post #1039 of 2343

I guess it was written somewhere here, but is there any direct comparison between the 7520 and the KEF m500?

I have the 7520 right now and it is really good, but the bass is a bit overwhelming for my tastes..

post #1040 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Brazenways View Post

How much did that combo improve your 7520's??

Am thinking of picking up a schiit product but am not sure how much improvement I will get.


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There is a noticeable noise floor although very slight.
The cans can pickup the increase in clarity but truthfully I believe these cans need a more tubey sound to bring out the flat mids and tame the shiny trebles.
My Sony has been in a drawer for over a week burning and all it did was tighten the bass and lessen the moderate sibilance but to be optimal for me it needs to reduce sibilance to zero and so I would use tubes which would also help the soundstage.
Otherwise very good monitor can.

The schiit valli is simply not a tube sound even tho it uses two tubes it sounds crystal clear.
Too bad it has low level hiss and tube ringing if moved or plug swapping another headphone in which lasts about 10-30 sec.

That's what's putting me off of selling my continental which wasn't as clear in trebles but had a larger mid bass and overall tubey sound..
Sucks that to get great sound you have to spend $$$
Edited by Maxx134 - 2/27/14 at 6:43am
post #1041 of 2343
I would think that if you want a 'tubey' sound, the 7520's are not for you. Nothing wrong with a warm euphonous lush sound, but the 7520's are about accuracy and detail. Actually, I think the mids and highs are very smooth on the 7520.
post #1042 of 2343

It has been in my experience that you can not reduce the sibilance to zero and be faithful to the source. Some sibilance is recorded by the mics which depending on the kind being used picks up sibilance like sounds easily. It is the job of the recording and/or mastering engineer to control sibilance in the recordings. Bottom line I want my cans to be faithful to the source. I find my 7520 is more neutral in reproducing sibilance as compared with my other cans.

post #1043 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post


There is a noticeable noise floor although very slight.
The cans can pickup the increase in clarity but truthfully I believe these cans need a more tubey sound to bring out the flat mids and tame the shiny trebles.
My Sony has been in a drawer for over a week burning and all it did was tighten the bass and lessen the moderate sibilance but to be optimal for me it needs to reduce sibilance to zero and so I would use tubes which would also help the soundstage.
Otherwise very good monitor can.

The schiit valli is simply not a tube sound even tho it uses two tubes it sounds crystal clear.
Too bad it has low level hiss and tube ringing if moved or plug swapping another headphone in which lasts about 10-30 sec.

That's what's putting me off of selling my continental which wasn't as clear in trebles but had a larger mid bass and overall tubey sound..
Sucks that to get great sound you have to spend $$$

+1 on what Mike and John said!

 

If you are really getting a lot of sibilance you might want to look at your source.  And if you tell me you are playing mp3 files, I do not know what I am going to do.  The Sonys as well as a few other hps mentioned here are quite capable of revealing flaws or sound signatures in sources, dacs, and amps.

 

EDIT:

 

Just took as look at your equipment list.  You have and have had lots of good cans.  Never heard the odac, never heard the Vali, but the Asgaard was piercing to me.  Assuming good files and source player I think what may be coming into play here is your individual ear canal resonance.  It can exhibit a big peak at the resonant frequency when using iems or headphones.  

 

My peak for most cans is about 6.8k and can be as high as 12db.  So on lots of cans that may be a tad peaky in the lower treble, that can be irritating without question and without some sort of eq.  I adjust for it on my idevice by using a good player with parametric eq to create a notch at the resonant point.  See my blog in signature for article on how to find and fix a peak like that.


Edited by bixby - 2/27/14 at 9:46am
post #1044 of 2343

What's wrong with MP3s?  :frown:

post #1045 of 2343

education time:

 

http://productionadvice.co.uk/why-mp3-sounds-bad/

 

http://taptanium.com/blog/posts/662/how-mp3-affects-sound-quality-a-visual-analysis

 

These are just a few of some articles on mp3 and the issues that may be audible to some.  The big deal is artifacts.  If you can't hear them then do not worry, just keep listening.  BUT, the better your headphones and system, and the more educated your hearing, the easier it gets to hear these artifacts.  Just like anything else in audio,  to one it can be audible and uncomfortable and to another inaudible.

 

I learned many years ago that I preferred not listen to mp3 files no matter how well encoded.  But on many types of music it is really really hard to hear the differences.  But like I say in my blog, storage is cheap why would you throw away parts of music just to save 40% or so of space?

post #1046 of 2343

Oh, it was a rhetorical question sort-of to begin with.  I've already done enough testing to know that anything over 256kbps aac or 320kbps mp3 is hardly worthwhile.  Even someone like Tyll acknowledges that he has a hard time with the mp3 artifact test on the goldenears challenge-- even while using uber cans.

 

Point is a well-encoded mp3 at a decent bitrate won't magically cause sibilance issues.

post #1047 of 2343
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Oh, it was a rhetorical question sort-of to begin with.  I've already done enough testing to know that anything over 256kbps aac or 320kbps mp3 is hardly worthwhile.  Even someone like Tyll acknowledges that he has a hard time with the mp3 artifact test on the goldenears challenge-- even while using uber cans.

 

Point is a well-encoded mp3 at a decent bitrate won't magically cause sibilance issues.

ok......glad you hear it that way

post #1048 of 2343
OK update guys of course things got taken out of proportion partially due on my part.

What was sibilance on the 7520 before break in turned into detailed shimmer.
So the trebles are "shiny" to me 40% of the time and the rest of music they are simply very real sounding.
I agree it is an impossibility to have zero sibilance without altering and creating a sonic signature.
That is what the esw11 & other Audio technical cans do...
They "flavor" the sound..

In the case of the Sony we are going for "monitor" true to recording sound, so it achieved it objective in this regard..

To me is has excellent PRAT but my ed8 does complex passages better due to more palpable soundstage.
That is not to say the Sony are any less excellent than almost all other "mid tier" closed cans in fact only my esw11 & ed8 surpass it in different areas..

Yes I have a mix of 320bit mp3 and only 10% flac files.
If anyone has a better suggestion I am "all ears" lol.

Update the NAD HP50 just came in and I will tell it like it is without beating around the bush...
The Sony 7520 wins by being bigger, more impactful and lively..(!)
The NAD does sound good tho, nice sound just has less top and bottom reach at both extremes, and bass is not as deep and less.

Also a lower level can, the Ultrasone DJ1 Pro came in and as expected it is nowhere near the level of anything mentioned here as even a vmoda m80 could beat it. It is a pleasant sound tho.
post #1049 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Update the NAD HP50 just came in and I will tell it like it is without beating around the bush...
The Sony 7520 wins by being bigger, more impactful and lively..(!)
The NAD does sound good tho, nice sound just has less top and bottom reach at both extremes, and bass is not as deep and less.

 

 

Roomfeel technology not doing it for you? :jecklinsmile:

post #1050 of 2343
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

OK update guys of course things got taken out of proportion partially due on my part.

What was sibilance on the 7520 before break in turned into detailed shimmer.
So the trebles are "shiny" to me 40% of the time and the rest of music they are simply very real sounding.
I agree it is an impossibility to have zero sibilance without altering and creating a sonic signature.
That is what the esw11 & other Audio technical cans do...
They "flavor" the sound..

In the case of the Sony we are going for "monitor" true to recording sound, so it achieved it objective in this regard..

To me is has excellent PRAT but my ed8 does complex passages better due to more palpable soundstage.
That is not to say the Sony are any less excellent than almost all other "mid tier" closed cans in fact only my esw11 & ed8 surpass it in different areas..

Yes I have a mix of 320bit mp3 and only 10% flac files.
If anyone has a better suggestion I am "all ears" lol.

Update the NAD HP50 just came in and I will tell it like it is without beating around the bush...
The Sony 7520 wins by being bigger, more impactful and lively..(!)
The NAD does sound good tho, nice sound just has less top and bottom reach at both extremes, and bass is not as deep and less.

Also a lower level can, the Ultrasone DJ1 Pro came in and as expected it is nowhere near the level of anything mentioned here as even a vmoda m80 could beat it. It is a pleasant sound tho.

Whoa, it seems we all hear differently don't we.  When running sweep tests on the Sony and NAD both go down very well all the way down past 20 hz.  Sony appears to have a bit more bass when listening to music and maybe due to a slight bump in the bass, but so does the NAD it is just in a different range.  As for soundstage, the NAD beats the Sony to my ears.  The NAD seems more wide with the Sony consistently more compact yet still wonderful.  Top end extension also goes to the NAD but the Sony has a bit more emphasis on lower treble in the 3-4 k range where it is really audible and can sound a bit more present and bright.  And the Sony does present a more open midrange with the sound being a bit more there due to the smalll peak int he lower treble.

 

As for room feel technology, I never experienced it before last night with the NADs and the Micromega dac, amp stack.  Definitely a soundstage perspective that made me feel as if I were in a rooom looking forward at a stage and the bass was really quite different than with most headphones.  This was playing Peter Gabriel's excellent Half Blood recording.  But this was the only time I felt and think I heard what room feel does.  I will say that the NADs can sound pretty different based on what is feeding it.  They are very revealing cans, as are the Sonys.

 

I like both of them and the NADs are getting more ear time because they are the most recent. I could live happily with both.

 

As for mp3s, I would just go and use totally lossless and uncompressed, cuz storage is cheap.  You still did not tell us what your source is and what player you are using?


Edited by bixby - 2/28/14 at 8:27am
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