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post #16 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post
 

I think the key issue is, if you got the headphones for free as a review sample, and good on you for disclosing this, then it is really quite gutsy to try and turn around and sell them for basically a profit. 

 

There are many senior members on this site who "take one for the team" by buying new products full price, review them, and then sell them back to the community.  I hate to say it but this helps to lend credibility to the reviewer as well; it's not as if the manufacturer had any hand in giving away product to the reviewer and hence less bias as a result.

 

Not that I know who you are, your credentials, your MO, or your pull with manufacturers but things are a lot different in this hobby now than how they were when I started that's for sure... so if I am out of line here I do apologize and don't mean to be pushing buttons or anything.

 

Well I've spent a LOT of money to review gear as well, the Mad Dogs where one such example. This just happend to be PURE luck and actually I combo'd my AD900x with my oDac and Matrix and well I got a buyer in under 2 hours. I ofc did NOT charge for teh AD900x, I only included it when some one purchased the Amp and Dac [of which I sold for less than what it cost me]

 
Non the less... I'm going to burn the hell out of those headphones before I ship them off [I expected days and weeks to sell the combo not hours] so I hope my potential buyer gives me 5 days. That way I can Review them burn'd in as well as off my HM 801 which should be here by Monday hopefully 
 
Still, the thread is here for well everyone. I didn't know what to do with it, and I deicded to give it away to some one as part of an ENTIRE home rig... some one is going to be getting a very nice set up at the expensive of MANY hours on my part... but ofc I'm happy to pass it on so that some one else can enjoy it! 
post #17 of 48
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SO the AD900X has a new owner. I will not say who, but this is what he said to me

 

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No worries, must have just been the right time. I am trying to spend less time researching and more time listening, so coming across a package deal is great for me.  I am traveling a lot for work right now.

Thanks!

 

I can live with that decision... I sold my oDac and M Stage for less than what I paid for them, in addition for any one who got both I included the AD900x

 

SO now this fellow [like me] can enjoy a great headphone at literally no cost on some great gear! 

post #18 of 48

There's an irony about this thread: From time-to-time I have to (sadly) permanently ban a member who has been repeatedly abusive. It seems to be a trend among them to then make blog posts claiming that Head-Fi is "full of shills" or the like. I just had to ban a member who had decided to secretly re-sell a manufacturer's products while reviewing them, even after I'd pointed out to them that re-selling review units was inappropriate and made them aware of both the rules and their responsibility as someone who wanted to become a reviewer.

 

 Naturally many manufacturers want to get a foot in the door and hand out samples to people in the hope that they'll get a review or three. There are plenty of reasonable and legitimate means to do this, even without becoming a sponsor. At the very least Google Adsense targeted at the site.

 

The point of the rules is to ensure that it isn't and that comments are honest and genuine. But it is the responsibility of members to ensure, for the good of the community, that they are acting with honesty and integrity, just as it is for the manufacturers.  

 

What it all boils down to is that we want everyone here to be acting for the good of the community first and not just themselves at the expense of the community.

post #19 of 48
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The point of the rules is to ensure that it isn't and that comments are honest and genuine. But it is the responsibility of members to ensure, for the good of the community, that they are acting with honesty and integrity, just as it is for the manufacturers.  

 

What it all boils down to is that we want everyone here to be acting for the good of the community first and not just themselves at the expense of the community.

Good to hear that, and it's a shame to see so many people doing that here at head fi, HONESTLY I make more money selling things on eBay but... I don't want to sell on eBay as that doesn't really help any one... I'd rather take a loss and sell here on head fi and make a friend or three

post #20 of 48
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HONESTLY I make more money selling things on eBay but... I don't want to sell on eBay as that doesn't really help any one... I'd rather take a loss and sell here on head fi and make a friend or three

 

 

How do you make more money selling headphones on eBay?  You price them higher?  If you don't, you'll come out at a loss from the fees.

post #21 of 48
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

How do you make more money selling headphones on eBay?  You price them higher?  If you don't, you'll come out at a loss from the fees.

 

You have to know how to sell on eBay. Post something at the right time and plenty of people will bid on and buy it, still that is irellevant to this topic :/

post #22 of 48

I've had a few review samples sent to me and I have kept all of them. I actually just got the Noontec Zoro and the recently reviewed the iBasso DX50. I believe that it is dishonest to sell samples, but I do not think that trading them for something else is wrong at all...

post #23 of 48
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I've had a few review samples sent to me and I have kept all of them. I actually just got the Noontec Zoro and the recently reviewed the iBasso DX50. I believe that it is dishonest to sell samples, but I do not think that trading them for something else is wrong at all...

 

Indeed trade seems like a fair as well, and nice on the DX 50 :O 

post #24 of 48
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Indeed trade seems like a fair as well, and nice on the DX 50 :O 
Thanks
post #25 of 48

Trading free items for other items that were not free is inappropriate too, sorry. 

post #26 of 48
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Trading free items for other items that were not free is inappropriate too, sorry. 
]Ok, noted.
post #27 of 48
I get free books for personal review (often unsolicited by me) as part of my day job. I have sold them, but only when I've then donated the money received to charity--I do not profit off the sale. It just gets to where it's a hassle for me to keep the books around any more. Otherwise, I give the books away (no trades). I consider it unethical for me to profit off of them.
post #28 of 48
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point taken as well

still u guys make what 30 40k a year... compared to my 11 12

still Im happy to have given my ad900 as i did. I may do that with my future review models. Build a rig around them n sell the accompiments with the review model as a free bonus. Get the fun of reasesrching n help ppl who cant always reasearch
post #29 of 48
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still Im happy to have given my ad900 as i did. I may do that with my future review models. Build a rig around them n sell the accompiments with the review model as a free bonus.

I don't think Head-Fi will consider that giving away your review sample for "free." When you bundle two things together in an ad, even though you say the price is for one item, and then the other items is a free bonus, then the price is actually for both of them. LOL
post #30 of 48
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I don't think Head-Fi will consider that giving away your review sample for "free." When you bundle two things together in an ad, even though you say the price is for one item, and then the other items is a free bonus, then the price is actually for both of them. LOL

 

not at all, the price would be based for the one item purchased, like I did with my AD900x I did increase the price of the oDac and mStage combo JUST because the AD900x as there. As with all my sales I sold the dac and amp for less than what I paid, I simply included the headphone because they buyer bought both the Dac and Amp

 
Still I want to get to know MORE of them options within the Mid Fi and entry lvl tiers. there are still a lot of ATH Cans I've not heard, as well as a good number of Amps I have not heard. So if for example I got a Sony MA 900, I would most likely pair it with a Fiio E17 [I want to hear the E17 my self[ and then sell the E17 with the MA900, that way some one get's a set up in which I know that 
 
1) they will hear what I heard 
and 
2)  I reSell the Gear quick
 
Seeing as there are dozens of DAP and Amps I've yet to own, I'm comfrotable with giving away any future review samples with gear sales. Ofc I may sit on something for a while but again. I'm interested in getting to review all of the intro gear I can, not to mention I love being able to new members. And a super cheap combo seems to be the best way to hook them up!
 
That said, since you are here Cel, I'm TOTALLY BACKED in home work today, but I've looked at some magazine and digital reviews, and they do read like articles... where as my reviews read like Spec Sheets, so I'd like to give a go at a more enjoyable reading and looking review tommorow maybe... actually I have a ShurEY 840 [it's been modded] coming in today. So it would be a good start
 
AND while we are talking about what to do with reviews, and I'm starting on how I want to improve my reviews of them. I think I'm going to make a new Blog and uTube [mine youTube is empty atm]
 
But I might keep my current Blog as... a refrance sheet to a more enjoyable Blog Style. Write rather casual but inromitive articles on the new Blog WITH links to the Old Blog, with the old Blog serving as a refrance to the newer funner better looking Blog post. 
 
Have the Funner reviews simple and have links to any one who wants to know about, the gear I used, the specific songs, and what ever techy stuff they might want to know.
 
In addition MalV reviews are rather Article ish, lot's of pictures. Simple paragraph formatting as well.  Things I wish to copy, AND lastly with regard to pictures I got a lamp and made... a sort of review station, to give my pics well better quality, as there is better lighting if I need it and a cleaner picture space around the can. 
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