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post #481 of 664
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Originally Posted by lieberstanley View Post

If I can quantify the difference between the demo and the final product, I would say 10-15% for VE4 and its demo. However, for VE6, I would say 20-25% for X1, and 10-15% for X2. In other words, I concur that indeed there is a substantial difference between the X1 and the demo.

I myself now rely on the sound performance of my HD800 and Balancing Act (with WE300B replica and Mullard ECC35, PX4 and Sylvania 6SN7W metal base) as a reference while auditioning CIEM demos. The HD800 combo demonstrate a very transparent and neutral sound. For sure the HD800 and CIEMs are different species. And so far no demos or final product of CIEMs (including VE6 XC) outperform my HD800 setup in terms of transparency soundstage scale, or detail reproduction. Yet, I can say that the custom version of VE6 has come a long way and make it a serious competitor to HD 800 setup in terms of delivering musical enjoyment (although the CIEMs present the music in a slightly different way than the full size dynamic headphones).

In the near future I hope to have a chance to acquire or at least audition 1 plus 2, NT6, or SE-5way to as well spoil my ears!
Lieberstanley, I believe you are from taiwan right?
Have you ever had a chance to do a comparison between ve6 to rhines stage 5 or fitear mh335?
I'll be going back to taiwan for holiday next month, what are some places that will provide the among ciem for demo? Thank you
post #482 of 664

One of the first three VE6 Xcontrol Buyers

The first diy moder using Mundorf Silver-Gold IEM cable on VE6 Xcontrol come from Taiwan(country on Earth)

 

VE6 Xcontrol demo only can listen at My Ears ,Taichung ,Taiwan(country on Earth)

 

Fitear demo only can listen at JM-PLUS Electronics ,Taipei ,Taiwan(country on Earth)

 

I only can say VE6 Xcontrol = Perfect

 

One of the first three VE6 Xcontrol Buyers

The first diy moder using Mundorf Silver-Gold IEM cable on VE6 Xcontrol come from Taiwan(country on Earth)

post #483 of 664

VE6 Xcontrol is perfect? So u mean it is better than fitear mh335dw?

post #484 of 664

Actually quite a lot of people seem to prefer the VE6 over Roxanne. Wondering if I had a bad fit when I listened to the demo a couple weeks ago, since I wasn't too impressed with it.

post #485 of 664

Just as a heads up to people (you know who you are):

 

I might be able to get an extended listen to the Rhines Stage 5 and possibly other models for a few days.

 

Is there anything people would like me to pay attention to?

post #486 of 664
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Just as a heads up to people (you know who you are):

 

I might be able to get an extended listen to the Rhines Stage 5 and possibly other models for a few days.

 

Is there anything people would like me to pay attention to?

If possible please compare them with the Stage 3, especially in terms of treble extension and soundstaging.

 

Oh and a comparison with the FitEar (whatever model you can recall) would be great! 

post #487 of 664

I'll do my best. :normal_smile :

post #488 of 664
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Just as a heads up to people (you know who you are):

 

I might be able to get an extended listen to the Rhines Stage 5 and possibly other models for a few days.

 

Is there anything people would like me to pay attention to?

 

  • Amount of treble extension and bass extension (not so much the quantity - you're experienced, so you know what I mean by extension)
  • How realistic does the treble sound with cymbals
  • How realistic does the bass sound with acoustic instruments like cello, etc.
  • Some idea of your approximate estimation of the freq curve for each setting, please (i.e. neutral, u-shaped, n-shaped, etc.)

 

 

Cheers!

post #489 of 664
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

  • Amount of treble extension and bass extension (not so much the quantity - you're experienced, so you know what I mean by extension)
  • How realistic does the treble sound with cymbals
  • How realistic does the bass sound with acoustic instruments like cello, etc.
  • Some idea of your approximate estimation of the freq curve for each setting, please (i.e. neutral, u-shaped, n-shaped, etc.)

 

I can tell you that now --- I actually listened to it a while ago, though only for a few minutes. Treble and bass extension are very good. To me, the response is mild U-shaped, very reasonable. I really enjoyed the mids --- smooth but detailed. The mid-bass had decent layering, but stayed well-composed and flat. Treble is not harsh, but present. Overall, I feel it has very good balance.

 

I'll try to listen to some cello music --- it's not really my thing, but I've heard many cellos in real life so I know what's up.

 

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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post

 

FYI, it should be a CI-22955 for the lows, 33AJ007i for the mids, and (likely) DWFK-31785 for the highs. The CI and 3300 are ported into one tube with a 1500 ohm damper, and the (DW?)FK is ported into another tube with a 680 ohm damper. As per the Compact/VE/Rhines design philosophy, the bores are pre-joined into one large chamber, ~3 mm deep.

post #490 of 664
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

 

FYI, it should be a CI-22955 for the lows, 33AJ007i for the mids, and (likely) DWFK-31785 for the highs. The CI and 3300 are ported into one tube with a 1500 ohm damper, and the (DW?)FK is ported into another tube with a 680 ohm damper. As per the Compact/VE/Rhines design philosophy, the bores are pre-joined into one large chamber, ~3 mm deep.

Wao that's too much for me to digest all in one go lol. Thanks a lot, very interesting indeed, though I'm not sure if having the CI & 3300 share the same tube is a good idea. But from your impression they seem to be quite an improvement over the Stage 4.  

 

Btw is it the demo unit you listened to? If I remember correctly VS's demoes don't have their tubing shallowly terminated, unlike their custom counterparts.


Edited by tranhieu - 5/24/14 at 9:32am
post #491 of 664
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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post  Wao that's too much for me to digest all in one go lol. Thanks a lot, very interesting indeed, though I'm not sure if having the CI & 3300 share the same tube is a good idea. But from your impression they seem to be quite an improvement over the Stage 4. Btw is it the demo unit you listened to? If I remember correctly VS's demoes don't have their tubing shallowly terminated, unlike their custom counterparts.

 

Yes; it's a demo unit, so it's tough to accurately gauge treble (but I did use bi-flange tips), but I didn't hear the tell-tale WBFK ringing, so that's why I think it's the DWFK rather than the SWFK. Too hard to read the numbering from the way the drivers were placed. The CI might be either heavily electrically dampened, or run in reverse phase, or both. The response was pretty tight to my ears. Looks like Rhines insists on using the bell design even for its demo units.

post #492 of 664
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Just as a heads up to people (you know who you are):

 

I might be able to get an extended listen to the Rhines Stage 5 and possibly other models for a few days.

 

Is there anything people would like me to pay attention to?

 

 

Perhaps, how is the Stage 5 comparing to the 4?

post #493 of 664
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Originally Posted by superachromat View Post  Perhaps, how is the Stage 5 comparing to the 4?

 

Haven't heard the Stage 4 --- only the 5 thus far. But people who have heard both have told me that the 5 is better balanced. Rhines is apparently set to release a Stage 4U, which is a more neutral variant of the Stage 4 that they never released back when they were still Compact Monitors. Haven't heard it yet, though. I haven't heard anything other than the Stage 5 yet.

post #494 of 664
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

 

Haven't heard the Stage 4 --- only the 5 thus far. But people who have heard both have told me that the 5 is better balanced. Rhines is apparently set to release a Stage 4U, which is a more neutral variant of the Stage 4 that they never released back when they were still Compact Monitors. Haven't heard it yet, though. I haven't heard anything other than the Stage 5 yet.

 

Thanks. I am looking for something with more vocal / mid presence. Hopefully, the 5 is the answer.

post #495 of 664
@tomscy

Thanks for your impressions!! Would You say that the u shapeness is very close to 1p2?

@superachromat

I dont think a mild u shape will fill in your needs when it comes to more vocal presence, perhaps 335 or k10 smily_headphones1.gif
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