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Thanks!

 

 

Exactly my thoughts too. I'm going to talk to her once again (and maybe take that weirdo VE-2 off her hands ;-).

 

Trying to get an idea of the VE-3's bass signature, would you say it's rather mid- or deep-bass emphasized, or linear throughout the bass range (particularly compared to your JH13)?

 

My JH13 is pretty linear throughout mid bass to sub bass and I don't really hear a lift or dip between them.  The Stage 3's bass definitely seems more deep bass emphasized.

 

I've been doing some longer term comparisons tonight, over 10 songs or more before switching and the Stage 3 sounds a little thinner in overall note weight.  There's less mid bass; thinner, less forward mids and a hint more treble emphasis (not harsh or bright though).

 

If these demos were not so bulky and made more like a universal iem, I'd be happy to take the Stage 3 off VE's hands!


Edited by shotgunshane - 12/21/13 at 5:50am
post #302 of 542
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My JH13 is pretty linear throughout mid bass to sub bass and don't really hear a lift or dip between them.  The Stage 3's bass definitely seems more deep bass emphasized.

 

I've been doing some longer term comparisons tonight, over 10 songs or more before switching and the Stage 3 sounds a little thinner in overall note weight.  There's less mid bass; thinner, less forward mids and a hint more treble emphasis (not harsh or bright though).

 

If these demos were not so bulky and made more like a universal iem, I'd be happy to take the Stage 3 off VE's hands!

 

Thanks, that pretty much mirrors what I heard from the VE-2 demo. I think we'll have to count those drivers again.

 

I thought the stems were a bit long, but otherwise no problem for these large ears.

post #303 of 542
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

My JH13 is pretty linear throughout mid bass to sub bass and I don't really hear a lift or dip between them.  The Stage 3's bass definitely seems more deep bass emphasized.

I've been doing some longer term comparisons tonight, over 10 songs or more before switching and the Stage 3 sounds a little thinner in overall note weight.  There's less mid bass; thinner, less forward mids and a hint more treble emphasis (not harsh or bright though).

If these demos were not so bulky and made more like a universal iem, I'd be happy to take the Stage 3 off VE's hands!

My jh13 is lacking mid-upper bass (in comparison to its sub bass) which is what I dislike.It provides you that type of hollow type of bass presentation. Sub bass rumbles very well but the overall bass just doesn't land solid.

Jh13 has about same sub bass as jh16, so on some sounds it can sound weird: feels like song is playing with sub bass rumbles independently once per 4/8 bars.

Also I hear rumors about stage 5 is coming early next year?
post #304 of 542
That reads like a completely different iem from what I have. There is no lack of mid or upper bass. I used to have an email from Jerry, when I was corresponding about a purchase, where he was telling me how much of a sub bass lift the JH16 has over the 13, but that was about a year of so ago and I no longer have that correspondence. Whatever the boost was, I think I remember him saying it was centered at 50hz, however much it was.
post #305 of 542
Yep. Sounds a bit odd. One of my friend has both and hear pretty much the same bass as I hear and he also said he confirmed it with jh audio that jh13 and 16 has similar sub bass. Looks like lots of different versions outs there. Average joe said jh16 has lifted bass around/under 100 Hz, but he didn't compare with jh13 though. I can definitely hear more bass response around 100-200 Hz on my jh16 that is absent in jh13. My jh13 is FP, my jh16 is old one, though I heard of the FP jh16 which has more controlled and refined bass and treble, but still more mid bass (if we treat sub bass as under 60hz)
Edited by tupac0306 - 12/21/13 at 7:16am
post #306 of 542
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Je agree with your assessment that Stage 3 is quite linear. A bit warmer than neutral maybe. Overall, I still enjoyed the Stage 4 more, because the bass lands with more authority without being bloated or bleeding into the mids. Besides, Stage 4 notes are fuller all around and the soundstage feels deeper.
post #307 of 542

Stage 5 is coming next year?

post #308 of 542
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

These are really easy to insert and remove. A breeze compared to how I have to screw in and out my custom UERMs.

 

 

Don't think so... I used the same UE TF10 tips that I use for a lot of other IEMs and got a secure seal with all three demos. Plus, the dealer (a trained classical musician) used different tips and heard the sound signatures exactly like I did. She even warned me in advance that VE's signature descriptions were off, lol.

 

From your and shotgunshane's descriptions, it would seem that her VE-2 and VE-3 demos were mislabeled. I heard the VE-3 as more mid-bassy and warmer and the VE-2 as more linear and close to my UERMs (with slightly less treble extension / refinement and a tad more deep bass). However, we counted the drivers inside and the numbers appeared to be correct. It's a mystery and I can't think of a logical explanation for it.

 

Yes, seems like it is more than just ear tips...we demand a recount [of the drivers].

 

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I mentioned this somewhere in the beginning of the thread, but Rhines had an unofficial demo pair of the Stage 4 that had a different tuning with more linear bass. (But the artwork still said Stage4.)

It could be that this is an experiment from the old Compact Monitors era and that they also tuned the Stage 2 flatter and somehow Vision Ears sent out the "unofficial" demo.

 

This is the only logical explanation I can think of right now.

 

That could make things very confusing!

 

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post
 

 

My JH13 is pretty linear throughout mid bass to sub bass and I don't really hear a lift or dip between them.  The Stage 3's bass definitely seems more deep bass emphasized.

 

I've been doing some longer term comparisons tonight, over 10 songs or more before switching and the Stage 3 sounds a little thinner in overall note weight.  There's less mid bass; thinner, less forward mids and a hint more treble emphasis (not harsh or bright though).

 

If these demos were not so bulky and made more like a universal iem, I'd be happy to take the Stage 3 off VE's hands!

 

Thanks for the comparison to the JH13.  Your is FP, right?  That is one CIEM I really should get.  

 

Not that it is the same for you, but I did experience more bass quantity with the demo unit than my custom Stage 3 with bi-flange and a few other ear tips.  I think the bass is warm but rather linear.

 

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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

My jh13 is lacking mid-upper bass (in comparison to its sub bass) which is what I dislike.It provides you that type of hollow type of bass presentation. Sub bass rumbles very well but the overall bass just doesn't land solid.

Jh13 has about same sub bass as jh16, so on some sounds it can sound weird: feels like song is playing with sub bass rumbles independently once per 4/8 bars.

Also I hear rumors about stage 5 is coming early next year?

 

FP or not (sorry if you mentioned it and I forgot)?  I would have to guess FP since I can't imagine the 13 having the bass of my non-FP JH16.  It seems like something is wrong with your JH13. 

 

I believe from this point forward VE and Rhines will be making different products.  I know Felix is working on some new monitors, but I am not sure about VE.

 

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Je agree with your assessment that Stage 3 is quite linear. A bit warmer than neutral maybe. Overall, I still enjoyed the Stage 4 more, because the bass lands with more authority without being bloated or bleeding into the mids. Besides, Stage 4 notes are fuller all around and the soundstage feels deeper.

 

Mmmmmm...Stage 4.  I really like the spaciousness and euphoric sound.

post #309 of 542
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Thanks for the comparison to the JH13.  Your is FP, right?  That is one CIEM I really should get.  

 

Not that it is the same for you, but I did experience more bass quantity with the demo unit than my custom Stage 3 with bi-flange and a few other ear tips.  I think the bass is warm but rather linear.

 

 

Yes it's FP- I received it around the end of September.

 

I tried several different tip styles but the Hifiman biflanges give me the most linear and clear sound from the Stage 3.  For whatever reason, these have worked the best for me on the few custom demos I've been able to audition at home.  I'll try a few more from the shoe box-o-tips before I ship them off.

post #310 of 542
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FP or not (sorry if you mentioned it and I forgot)?  I would have to guess FP since I can't imagine the 13 having the bass of my non-FP JH16.  It seems like something is wrong with your JH13. 

 

 

Yes, JH13 FP. It functions perfectly fine, and has typical JH audio sound signature from top to the bottom. I was just pointing out some small differences here. JH13's bass still sound pretty good with great bass extension. It definitely has much less bass than non-FP JH16, but they both have great extension, maybe the extension was so good that makes me think sub-bass is taking over the presentation of mid bass punch on some songs (in comparison to JH16/JH 16 FP), just like LCD 2/3 situation (LCD 3 is much more accurate than JH13 though), I really miss/missed the punch of LCD 2 although I prefer LCD 3 over it. While JH13's bass has good extension, it just doesn't land with authority/weight as NT6 or SE5 did which both has neutral bass to my ears on the right source. That "hollow" type of sound impression comes from the overall frequency response of JH13, combination of its bass and forward instruments positions leads to that sort of feelings on some songs. I remembered someone has the JH13 FP mentioned the same thing about the bass presentation in multi CIEM thread, can't remember exactly whom.


Edited by tupac0306 - 12/21/13 at 8:23am
post #311 of 542
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post
 

 

Yes it's FP- I received it around the end of September.

 

I tried several different tip styles but the Hifiman biflanges give me the most linear and clear sound from the Stage 3.  For whatever reason, these have worked the best for me on the few custom demos I've been able to audition at home.  I'll try a few more from the shoe box-o-tips before I ship them off.

 

Thanks for the clarification and you may be 100% right.  I spent the least amount of time with the Stage 3 since I will be doing a full review later and haven't started any serious comparing yet, other than the demo vs. custom.  

 

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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post
 

Yes, JH13 FP. It functions perfectly fine, and has typical JH audio sound signature from top to the bottom. I was just pointing out some small differences here. JH13's bass still sound pretty good with great bass extension. It definitely has much less bass than non-FP JH16, but they both have great extension, maybe the extension was so good that makes me think sub-bass is taking over the presentation of mid bass punch on some songs (in comparison to JH16/JH 16 FP), just like LCD 2/3 situation (LCD 3 is much more accurate than JH13 though), I really miss/missed the punch of LCD 2 although I prefer LCD 3 over it. While JH13's bass has good extension, it just doesn't land with authority/weight as NT6 or SE5 did which both has neutral bass to my ears on the right source. That "hollow" type of sound impression comes from the overall frequency response of JH13, combination of its bass and forward instruments positions leads to that sort of feelings on some songs. I remembered someone has the JH13 FP mentioned the same thing about the bass presentation in multi CIEM thread, can't remember exactly whom.

 

Thank you also for the clarification.  My JH16 has excellent bass extension, but the bass is just different than that of the SE5 and NT-6 (and NT-6 pro) as it is generally faster both in attack and decay resulting in excellent detail at the expense of sustainment to a degree.  From what I understand, the JH16 FP bass is more like the NT-6 style bass and adjusts with each track while the JH16 is always on, like a sub turned from stun to kill.  

 

As far as the hollow comment, it is possibly one of those things that people wouldn't notice unless they performed an A/B with something that performs better in that respect.

post #312 of 542
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My jh13 is lacking mid-upper bass (in comparison to its sub bass) which is what I dislike.It provides you that type of hollow type of bass presentation. Sub bass rumbles very well but the overall bass just doesn't land solid.

Jh13 has about same sub bass as jh16, so on some sounds it can sound weird: feels like song is playing with sub bass rumbles independently once per 4/8 bars.

Also I hear rumors about stage 5 is coming early next year?

 

Hmm I felt the same way about the stage 3. It had more sub bass emphasis than mid bass and sounded as you said "hollow" in the bass department to me. I felt it was empty-sounding in my own terms. Much preferred the Stage 4 and Stage 2 to them. Just couldn't get on with the Stage 3s sound no matter how much I tried lol. I also felt it was a mid-centric IEM.


Edited by lee730 - 12/21/13 at 10:55am
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Sorry, I just did a hell of a boner and messed up on the video. It will be reposted tomorrow

(I'm such an idiot)


Edited by DigitalFreak - 1/12/14 at 12:10am
post #314 of 542
My stage 3 will arrive in this week
Can't waiting to enjoy it!

Wish the bass will better than the demo
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Finally got around to re-shooting the video. Final impressions will be posted in a few short days. Hey Tupac, if you're around PM me and send me your shipping info please.

 


Edited by DigitalFreak - 1/12/14 at 8:17pm
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