Originally Posted by james444
These are really easy to insert and remove. A breeze compared to how I have to screw in and out my custom UERMs.
Don't think so... I used the same UE TF10 tips that I use for a lot of other IEMs and got a secure seal with all three demos. Plus, the dealer (a trained classical musician) used different tips and heard the sound signatures exactly like I did. She even warned me in advance that VE's signature descriptions were off, lol.
From your and shotgunshane's descriptions, it would seem that her VE-2 and VE-3 demos were mislabeled. I heard the VE-3 as more mid-bassy and warmer and the VE-2 as more linear and close to my UERMs (with slightly less treble extension / refinement and a tad more deep bass). However, we counted the drivers inside and the numbers appeared to be correct. It's a mystery and I can't think of a logical explanation for it.
Yes, seems like it is more than just ear tips...we demand a recount [of the drivers].
Originally Posted by Ultrazino
I mentioned this somewhere in the beginning of the thread, but Rhines had an unofficial demo pair of the Stage 4 that had a different tuning with more linear bass. (But the artwork still said Stage4.)
It could be that this is an experiment from the old Compact Monitors era and that they also tuned the Stage 2 flatter and somehow Vision Ears sent out the "unofficial" demo.
This is the only logical explanation I can think of right now.
That could make things very confusing!
Originally Posted by shotgunshane
My JH13 is pretty linear throughout mid bass to sub bass and I don't really hear a lift or dip between them. The Stage 3's bass definitely seems more deep bass emphasized.
I've been doing some longer term comparisons tonight, over 10 songs or more before switching and the Stage 3 sounds a little thinner in overall note weight. There's less mid bass; thinner, less forward mids and a hint more treble emphasis (not harsh or bright though).
If these demos were not so bulky and made more like a universal iem, I'd be happy to take the Stage 3 off VE's hands!
Thanks for the comparison to the JH13. Your is FP, right? That is one CIEM I really should get.
Not that it is the same for you, but I did experience more bass quantity with the demo unit than my custom Stage 3 with bi-flange and a few other ear tips. I think the bass is warm but rather linear.
Originally Posted by tupac0306
My jh13 is lacking mid-upper bass (in comparison to its sub bass) which is what I dislike.It provides you that type of hollow type of bass presentation. Sub bass rumbles very well but the overall bass just doesn't land solid.
Jh13 has about same sub bass as jh16, so on some sounds it can sound weird: feels like song is playing with sub bass rumbles independently once per 4/8 bars.
Also I hear rumors about stage 5 is coming early next year?
FP or not (sorry if you mentioned it and I forgot)? I would have to guess FP since I can't imagine the 13 having the bass of my non-FP JH16. It seems like something is wrong with your JH13.
I believe from this point forward VE and Rhines will be making different products. I know Felix is working on some new monitors, but I am not sure about VE.
Originally Posted by Mimouille
Je agree with your assessment that Stage 3 is quite linear. A bit warmer than neutral maybe. Overall, I still enjoyed the Stage 4 more, because the bass lands with more authority without being bloated or bleeding into the mids. Besides, Stage 4 notes are fuller all around and the soundstage feels deeper.
Mmmmmm...Stage 4. I really like the spaciousness and euphoric sound.