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post #541 of 1090
Were you driving them with any amp/dac? Which one benefits more with a quality amp?
post #542 of 1090

Thanks for the feedback. I might order the HP50s to try. But I'm just about crazy enough to keep both. I'm actually pretty content with the B&Ws. They fit well and sound really good. My (formerly favorite) DT1350s are sounding a bit pale in comparison. And I can always attenuate the highs if need be w/ some EQ. It's nice to have a robust option. On a different note: I was gifted a pair of Bose AE2 cans a while back. I've used them for very casual listening since they are extremely light weight (and were my only closed circumaural phones). I remember thinking a couple of times, "These aren't that bad". Well, after spending some time with the P7s...WOW. Now I can hear how bad the Bose really are. Still comfy and light weight though. LOL.

post #543 of 1090
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It occurred to me that the harshness might be due to older or low bit-rate recordings (I listen to a fair amount of "older" material). So I started focusing on newer stuff. I listened to samples of Lady Gaga and, even though the music is very dynamic, I wasn't hearing the harsh bits. Then I loaded the Toy Story 3 blu-ray. There's a moment early in the film where Mr. Potato Head is playing an outlaw and spills his loot on the train. Then Woody walks towards him. The tinkling sparkle of the dropped coins, and Woody's jangling spurs are fairly high on the frequency range. The P7s vividly revealed those sounds. But then Mrs. Potato Head shows up and attacks the protagonist. Her voice peaks with some harsh moments. So that blew my theory of only older or low quality recordings being the culprit. :/ Interestingly, I've also found that if I put the Pioneer receiver into "stereo" mode (rather than direct pass through), the harshness is tamed a bit.

Am I the only one who was uncontrollably laughing when reading this post?  No offense to the OP.  I just love that the aural intricacies of Toy Story were intimately reviewed and NOBODY broke a sweat!  It's the little things...

post #544 of 1090
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I very much love these still.  I am shopping less and less and just enjoying.  I would like if they had a touch more bass, but they are not bad.  They are the most rounded set I have, though I don't have a lot.  The only thing I'm currently thinking about is an external DAC/AMP for my MacBook Pro because there is a fair bit of static so I know the noise floor is not good.  What is recommended as a decent entry level DAC/AMP in the $100-200 range?  I have the NuForce ICON IDO at work, but the IDO only works with iDevices.  I also suspect that it's a pretty basic unit overall.  I have considered the regular ICON but again, I feel like there is likely something better for the money.

http://www.amazon.com/CEntrance-DACport-LX-Low-noise-portable/dp/B005WKDZ5K

post #545 of 1090

Just got the P7s. Not liking the mid-bass hump much, just as I don't care much for it on my Grado PS500s. Got the P7s because I wanted a decent pair of closed-back cans. Compared to the PS500s, the P7s lack in the finesse of mids and highs along with what seems to be a 1K-2K spike that's an issue with a few recordings ... but they add superb sub-bass down to 10hz, whereas the PS500s tail off around 30hz. Not an issue with most recordings, but when the sub-30hz stuff exists, it's nice to hear.

 

I find myself often going back to my lowly Bose AE2s for extended listening of random tracks and genres. Quite satisfactory sub-bass, even and not excessive mid-bass, and reasonable across the rest of the range. They do almost all recordings "OK" versus some well and some not -- this is a quality I'm coming to appreciate about them despite their $150 pretentions and Bose stereotypes. At the other end of the spectrum, my Grado 225s do classical and jazz supremely, but are fairly intolerable for some tracks of other genres, either due to lack of bass or brightness elsewhere. The P7s work well when a recording lacks a robust low-end, and don't get me wrong -- are quite nice for the majority of material thrown at them. But they sound like a pair of Beats (ie muddy, crappy) in some cases where more bass is recorded in.

 

Better headphones seem to be tradeoffs, and bring higher expectations which can make those tradeoffs less palatable. 


Edited by desmo9 - 11/30/13 at 9:11am
post #546 of 1090

So I finally had a chance to get away from my wife and kids to bestbuy's Magnolia and audition the P7 as well as the Momentum.  I am not sure if the P7 was broken so my assessment might be inaccurate.  I brought along my Theorem 720 and Note 2 playing 24/96 music.  My first impression of the P7 was that it has a huge sound stage, probably just as wide as my Senn 600.  It has a much bigger sound stage than the Momentum.  As for the bass, the momentum has more bass.  But I prefer the P7 as it is more neutral yet still has enough and tight bass.  Now for the mid, I am not loving either but not bad either.  As for the high, I now understand why some say it is bright.  I am not sure if the sound will change overtime.  Momentum sounds more pleasing to me even though it is more boxed in and has a much smaller soundstage.

 

Comfort wise, momentum is definitely much more comfortable!  The P7 earpads are not soft and it was tight around my head.

 

Overall, I like the sound of P7 but not sure if I can stand the highs or if that will change with more time broken in.  As for the momentum, I would buy it but I already have the Audio Technica ES700 and I am not hearing a huge improvement in comparison with the momentum.  I prefer the mids and overall sound of the Audio Technica.  I'll probably go to another Mangolia to audition the P7 to see if I hear any difference.  

 

Or I might just get a full size headphones instead of the P7.  I was thinking maybe the Alpha Dog or the LCD2. 

post #547 of 1090

Now, I also tried to play straight from an iPhone and the momentum sounds a lot better than the P7.  I guess the momentum doesn't require much power to drive.  Paring the Momentum with the Theorem, I heard a subtle improvement in quality.  As for paring the P7 with the Theorem, I heard a bigger difference in overall quality so yes the P7 definitely can scale a lot better.

post #548 of 1090
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Now, I also tried to play straight from an iPhone and the momentum sounds a lot better than the P7.  I guess the momentum doesn't require much power to drive.  Paring the Momentum with the Theorem, I heard a subtle improvement in quality.  As for paring the P7 with the Theorem, I heard a bigger difference in overall quality so yes the P7 definitely can scale a lot better.

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This.
I find that the P7 directly from my Note 3 sounds empty and somewhat shrill.  The bass seems a little flabby also.  Uncontrolled if you will.

Though there is plenty of volume and on quite a few occasions when I am lazy I listen directly through my phone.

 

That being said, when I pair the P7 with my Tralucent t1 and a Tiny M El Cheapo Sabre dac the sound is much fuller, smoother with much much better controlled bass.  The highs are less harsh and less fatiguing.

 

I owned the Momentums previously, however it was far too long ago to do a direct comparison, however I woudl agree with the above statements that the p7 definately scales better with gear, where as the Momentum, though you can improve it a little, is more or less what you get out of the box is as good as its going to get.

 

I actually liked the Momentum for all its flaws, it was a very easy headphone to listen to, however the small ear-cups lead me to selling them.

I quite like the P7's, however I actually find them a little thin after doing a stint with Planar Magnetics (LCD2, Mad Dogs, Alpha Dogs), however to my ears they are very clear, somewhat detailed (moreso than the momentums) with a nice sound stage.

post #549 of 1090
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So I finally had a chance to get away from my wife and kids to bestbuy's Magnolia and audition the P7 as well as the Momentum.  I am not sure if the P7 was broken so my assessment might be inaccurate.  I brought along my Theorem 720 and Note 2 playing 24/96 music.  My first impression of the P7 was that it has a huge sound stage, probably just as wide as my Senn 600.  It has a much bigger sound stage than the Momentum.  As for the bass, the momentum has more bass.  But I prefer the P7 as it is more neutral yet still has enough and tight bass.  Now for the mid, I am not loving either but not bad either.  As for the high, I now understand why some say it is bright.  I am not sure if the sound will change overtime.  Momentum sounds more pleasing to me even though it is more boxed in and has a much smaller soundstage.

 

Comfort wise, momentum is definitely much more comfortable!  The P7 earpads are not soft and it was tight around my head.

 

Overall, I like the sound of P7 but not sure if I can stand the highs or if that will change with more time broken in.  As for the momentum, I would buy it but I already have the Audio Technica ES700 and I am not hearing a huge improvement in comparison with the momentum.  I prefer the mids and overall sound of the Audio Technica.  I'll probably go to another Mangolia to audition the P7 to see if I hear any difference.  

 

Or I might just get a full size headphones instead of the P7.  I was thinking maybe the Alpha Dog or the LCD2. 

Check out the NAD HP50 as another option.

post #550 of 1090

I like how you described the P7.  Pretty accurate actually.  The high does sound quite harsh to the point where it hurts.  But it was definitely clear and detailed.  Like I said, I hope that the harshness will go away with more burn in time.  Momentum on the other hand, although quite dark, was pretty nice overall.  I was really hoping for the momentum to sound more like my Senn 600 and was quite disappointed.  I guess portable and closed back headphones have their limitations.  The planars are interesting and I probably need to give them a try but they are quite large.  I was hoping to not draw too much attention at work w/ the headphones but I guess I don't have much of a choice.  I'll give the P7 another try though at a different store.

 

Very curious about the NAD as well.  I tried the PSB (supposedly similar to the NAD).  They were very uncomfortable.  Soundwise, they were decent.  But I didn't get that wow factor I was hoping for and the soundstage was quite small.  

post #551 of 1090
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Originally Posted by sean76 View Post
 

So I finally had a chance to get away from my wife and kids to bestbuy's Magnolia and audition the P7 as well as the Momentum.  I am not sure if the P7 was broken so my assessment might be inaccurate.  I brought along my Theorem 720 and Note 2 playing 24/96 music.  My first impression of the P7 was that it has a huge sound stage, probably just as wide as my Senn 600.  It has a much bigger sound stage than the Momentum.  As for the bass, the momentum has more bass.  But I prefer the P7 as it is more neutral yet still has enough and tight bass.  Now for the mid, I am not loving either but not bad either.  As for the high, I now understand why some say it is bright.  I am not sure if the sound will change overtime.  Momentum sounds more pleasing to me even though it is more boxed in and has a much smaller soundstage.

 

Comfort wise, momentum is definitely much more comfortable!  The P7 earpads are not soft and it was tight around my head.

 

Overall, I like the sound of P7 but not sure if I can stand the highs or if that will change with more time broken in.  As for the momentum, I would buy it but I already have the Audio Technica ES700 and I am not hearing a huge improvement in comparison with the momentum.  I prefer the mids and overall sound of the Audio Technica.  I'll probably go to another Mangolia to audition the P7 to see if I hear any difference.  

 

Or I might just get a full size headphones instead of the P7.  I was thinking maybe the Alpha Dog or the LCD2. 

 

This gets better with use. 

post #552 of 1090

I'm back.... was going to go for a pair of Vmoda 100's as I've got a reference headphone so figured something fun would do but now I'm not so sure.... thinking the B&W P7 would be more all round fun than the Vmoda's which are dedicated to bass line fun and would not do so well if I were to put on a vocal track.

 

Tough decision.

post #553 of 1090

Crazy how much opinions can vary.  The P7's don't seem overly bright at all to me.  Treble is perfect in my opinion on it.  They also don't seem bass heavy at all as some have said.  If anything I wish for a tad more bass, but I'm a bit of a bass head I've come to realize.  As for comfort, I'm one of the people with slightly oversized ears for the Momentums, so it's hard for me to compare.  But the P7 is very comfortable in my opinion.  I came from Senn HD380pro.  When I put those on now it feels like a vice is on my head.  I can forget the P7's are even on.  The more I listen to the P7's, the more I like them.  I'm at the point where I'm able to stop trying to compare them and find something else and just enjoy them.  I've tried enough to feel comfortable that this is the right sound signature for me.  This was my first time trying cans of this quality so I have gone through many different sets and learned quite a bit of the lingo and what a sound signature actually does in terms of listening.

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Crazy how much opinions can vary.  The P7's don't seem overly bright at all to me.  Treble is perfect in my opinion on it.  They also don't seem bass heavy at all as some have said.  If anything I wish for a tad more bass, but I'm a bit of a bass head I've come to realize.  As for comfort, I'm one of the people with slightly oversized ears for the Momentums, so it's hard for me to compare.  But the P7 is very comfortable in my opinion.  I came from Senn HD380pro.  When I put those on now it feels like a vice is on my head.  I can forget the P7's are even on.  The more I listen to the P7's, the more I like them.  I'm at the point where I'm able to stop trying to compare them and find something else and just enjoy them.  I've tried enough to feel comfortable that this is the right sound signature for me.  This was my first time trying cans of this quality so I have gone through many different sets and learned quite a bit of the lingo and what a sound signature actually does in terms of listening.

 

Well spoken, I agree. I don't see how people can call the P7s overly bright and even painful (!?). The KEF M500 I can understand, but P7? And this comes from someone who hates bright headphones. I would take the Beats Solo over the Ultrasone Edition 10 any day. 

post #555 of 1090
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Well spoken, I agree. I don't see how people can call the P7s overly bright and even painful (!?). The KEF M500 I can understand, but P7? And this comes from someone who hates bright headphones. I would take the Beats Solo over the Ultrasone Edition 10 any day. 

 

Huh! I'm somewhat adverse to bright headphones, but I have never felt that way about the M500's.

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