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post #346 of 1468

Unfortunately, the warranty does not cover the sonic signature...

post #347 of 1468

Agree, I don't consider the P7 warm sounding either.  The H6 does not have as much low frequencies presence as the p7 but the bass is more defined with better control.  P7 is more colored in the midrange than the H6, but it's not a bad thing if you like a touch of sugar.   Overall the p7 is leaps and bounds better than the P5 & P3.  If you're in the market for a B&W headphone, the P7 is the way to go.

 

Gear used: 

 

Astell&Kern AK120

 

5th gen iPod Touch

 

Woo Audio WA7 (stock tubes)

 

Lehmann Audio Linear USB


Edited by HiFiGuy528 - 11/2/13 at 8:07am
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post #348 of 1468

LesNumeriques has run some tests on the P7.  The frequency response graph is here:

 

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/test/84/8445/P7-frquency-response.jpg

 

Of course, all frequency response graphs are relative, but they are useful for comparison.  Take a look at the graph of the NAD Viso HP-50:

 

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/test/82/8254/viso-hp-50-frequency-response.jpg

 

The P7 and HP-50 do differ, but the main difference is in the range between 300Hz and 2.5kHz, where the P7 looks to be +5dB or so above the HP-50.  I'm guessing these two will sound generally similar, but the midrange lift on the P7, or equivalently the midrange dip on the HP-50, will be the main difference in terms of SQ.  

 

I'm interested in the P7 but think that Tyll at InnerFidelity is on to something by liking the HP-50 (and I might be going out on a limb here, but he probably will rank the P7 below the HP-50 when he gets to reviewing the P7).  

 

I know the NAD is only recently available; has anyone compared the P7 and HP-50?

post #349 of 1468
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post
 

Agree, I don't consider the P7 warm sounding either.  The H6 does not have as much low frequencies presence as the p7 but the bass is more defined with better control.  P7 is more colored in the midrange than the H6, but it's not a bad thing if you like a touch of sugar.   Overall the p7 is leaps and bounds better than the P5 & P3.  If you're in the market for a B&W headphone, the P7 is the way to go.

 

Gear used: 

 

Astell&Kern AK120

 

5th gen iPod Touch

 

Woo Audio WA7 (stock tubes)

 

Lehmann Audio Linear USB

 

There seems to be a consensus as to how P7 and B&O H6 compares in terms of tonal balance. M-hero, Beagle, and HiFiGuy are saying more or less the same thing.

 

But independent of sound signature, how the two compares in other technical areas? I particularly want to know how B&O H6 fares in terms of imaging and sense of space, since P7 is really good in these two aspects (just got my P7 yesterday).

post #350 of 1468
I got the Theorem 720 in yesterday and have about 20 hours on it, I can tell you guys that the P7 respond well to better gear upstream, more so than the Momentum to these ears. I still don't know which I prefer straight out of the iPod, but with the theorem in the mix I'm finding the P7 scales up better.
post #351 of 1468
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I got the Theorem 720 in yesterday and have about 20 hours on it, I can tell you guys that the P7 respond well to better gear upstream, more so than the Momentum to these ears. I still don't know which I prefer straight out of the iPod, but with the theorem in the mix I'm finding the P7 scales up better.

Own the P7 and interested in the Theorem; keen to hear some more impressions when you can smily_headphones1.gif
post #352 of 1468
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LesNumeriques has run some tests on the P7.  The frequency response graph is here:

 

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/test/84/8445/P7-frquency-response.jpg

 

Something wrong with that graph.....I should hear no bass at all...but I hear plenty.

post #353 of 1468

I'd also be interesting to hear more about the bass of this headphone, I'm personally a basshead and like punchy & impactful bass. Do you think P7 would suffice? Still waiting for Tyll's measurement which should answer my question, knowing I prefer roughly 8-9dB (peak, this largely depends on quality of it) bump in bass in comparison to the average amplitude of mids & highs.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/3/13 at 3:13am
post #354 of 1468
If you are comparing it to the Momentum then P7 bass hits harder and more smoothness, but without being at the expense of mids or treble. But going back again to the soundstage and separation, that is what takes P7 to another level versus style headphone competition. Bigger headphone sound but at the expense of price premium.

"Worth" is relative but I successfully sold my M500 two days ago precisely because they were getting zero listening time since buying P7 *sigh*
post #355 of 1468
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

If you are comparing it to the Momentum then P7 bass hits harder and more smoothness, but without being at the expense of mids or treble. But going back again to the soundstage and separation, that is what takes P7 to another level versus style headphone competition. Bigger headphone sound but at the expense of price premium.

"Worth" is relative but I successfully sold my M500 two days ago precisely because they were getting zero listening time since buying P7 *sigh*

How about vs M-100? M-100 soundstage is meant to be great too and it is much cheaper (310 retail but 250-270 street), and arguably more portable too.

post #356 of 1468
If you're a bass head then the m100 is probably your best bet. The P7 is a clear winner in overall sound quality, but the m100 doesn't sound bad and the bass is more present and closer to the bump you're looking for.
post #357 of 1468
Yeah I gathered that, and I prefer the aesthetics over the p7 so think I've made my mind up. Was just wondering how sounstage compares specifically
post #358 of 1468
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Too bad the metal thing near the connector has come off.. Have been using it for less than 3 weeks

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Hi there,

 

We are sorry to hear that the cable for your P7 headphones has developed a fault.

 

Can I please ask you to use the below link to email our service department who will be able to investigate this further and arrange a replacement cable for you.

 

The below link will also contain a telephone number if you wish to speak to the support team direct.

 

http://bowersandwilkinsus.custhelp.com/app/ask/p/1,96/

 

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

 

Kind regards,

 

B&W

post #359 of 1468
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Hi there,

 

We are sorry to hear that the cable for your P7 headphones has developed a fault.

 

Can I please ask you to use the below link to email our service department who will be able to investigate this further and arrange a replacement cable for you.

 

The below link will also contain a telephone number if you wish to speak to the support team direct.

 

http://bowersandwilkinsus.custhelp.com/app/ask/p/1,96/

 

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

 

Kind regards,

 

B&W

Good job B&W! This is how it's supposed to be, customer service. You just scored a few points with me. When I'm in the market for a pair of full-size speakers, I'll definitely consider you guys :) Too bad the P7 didn't fit my ears though.

post #360 of 1468
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

Yup, but I wouldn't wear those outdoors! Too self conscious! :D

 

I don't find the P7 warm, but I do find the H6 thin in the upper bass/lower midrange area...where the soul of music resides. So it sounds smooth, open, clean "transparent" for a while, then becomes a bit cold and analytical. I could not listen to loudspeakers with this sound balance for very long. I can listen to the H6 for about an hour at low volume. I do enjoy the lack of boom and bloat but it does need a touch of warmth IMO.

Depends on your tastes I guess. Personally I don't mind a little bit of warmth but would rather err on the side of leanness in the upper bass/lower midrange. I prefer any bass emphasis to remain in the sub bass and the mids to be on the crisper, airier side.

 

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Unfortunately, the warranty does not cover the sonic signature...

LOL

 

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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

Something wrong with that graph.....I should hear no bass at all...but I hear plenty.

Ditto. What happened to the bass?

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

I'd also be interesting to hear more about the bass of this headphone, I'm personally a basshead and like punchy & impactful bass. Do you think P7 would suffice? Still waiting for Tyll's measurement which should answer my question, knowing I prefer roughly 8-9dB (peak, this largely depends on quality of it) bump in bass in comparison to the average amplitude of mids & highs.

If you're after more bass the M-100 has more bass quantity. And honestly even the M-100 doesn't have as much bass as your Q40... you'd have to go into XB500 territory for more. But the P7 bass is very good quality.

 

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Originally Posted by Bowers2013 View Post
 

Hi there,

 

We are sorry to hear that the cable for your P7 headphones has developed a fault.

 

Can I please ask you to use the below link to email our service department who will be able to investigate this further and arrange a replacement cable for you.

 

The below link will also contain a telephone number if you wish to speak to the support team direct.

 

http://bowersandwilkinsus.custhelp.com/app/ask/p/1,96/

 

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

 

Kind regards,

 

B&W

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