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post #271 of 1472
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

Speaking of the QC15, someone posted a really cool idea on another thread: wear the QC15 over an IEM. Play music using the IEM, and use the QC15 for noise cancellation only. Ta-da, amazing noise isolation even on a plane :)

 

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Originally Posted by PolkManiac View Post

I think that's overkill as an IEM should already isolate very well.

+1 If you're using IEMs, they have the isolation.

 

The issue is on a 16 hour plane ride, no IEM is comfortable for long stretches of time. That's why I no longer use them.

post #272 of 1472
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

I totally agree that three headphones does not work if you have space constraints.

 

I think that no one is making a truly versatile headphone, though -- one that has NC yet sounds good without it turned on, folds up to a small size, is light to carry, and is comfortable to wear.   That's my dream.

PSB tried and it gets OK reviews, but it's not for me either in design (not USB-based power charging) and is too big/heavy. That's why I've been going away from the 1RNC. I wanted something more light and comfortable. I *so* wish the P7 isolated better since the Sony drives it fine and it's a dream to wear (at least for me). But at $400, not going to keep it since I don't use headphones at home.

post #273 of 1472
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post
 

Just to clarify, the Pico Power is being fed by Clas -dB. As a near 1k build then anything had better sound good with it :tongue: Have limited experienced with Fiio solutions. Not that I am a price snob, but they always hiss with IEM which is a killer for me you appreciate (see sig)

They hiss with my Shure too, but not with the full-size headphones.

post #274 of 1472

I've done a few comparison images with the Momentum, a couple of these are with me in the picture that I'll post at my own peril.  I personally think the Momentum look better vs the P7 when actually worn, thought the P7 look great.

 

here's a link to the photos on Flickr:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61358752@N03/sets/72157636799433186/

post #275 of 1472

IMO P7 fits your head better proportion-wise, dunno but to me the thicker parts on P7 just fits your head better, the Momentum looks too flat. P7 seemed like it would look not that great when actually worn but it's actually a lot better than I thought (not that it matters for me personally when it's all about the sound for me :p)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 10/21/13 at 2:53pm
post #276 of 1472
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Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

It's very interesting to read your thoughts on the P5 as I thought that they sounded awful, with a very congested and 'muddy' tonal quality. Notwithstanding the diabolical sonics, the P5 are very well designed and supremely comfortable. It just goes to show that we all hear music differently!

 

I think you are being a bit harsh here. The P5 is a wonderful phone for on the go since you can crank it up for long periods of time with no fear of abrasiveness or listening fatigue. However, I much prefer the P3 for spot duty around the house. It is a bit more airy up top.

post #277 of 1472
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

I think you are being a bit harsh here. The P5 is a wonderful phone for on the go since you can crank it up for long periods of time with no fear of abrasiveness or listening fatigue. However, I much prefer the P3 for spot duty around the house. It is a bit more airy up top.

Darn you. Now I want a P3 to complete complete the collection. redface.gif
post #278 of 1472
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Originally Posted by starfly View Post
 

Well I haven't done a direct comparison between the P7 and M500, was only able to do so from memory (which is unreliable with these things). I only did a direct A/B with the Momentum and to me, personally, in many respects the P7 is better than the Momentum. And I'll soon be doing an A/B with the B&O H6 which I should receive tomorrow, because I'm still not sold on the comfort with the P7 (actually not sold at all, my left ear hurts after a while and no matter what fit I try it can't get a comfortable fit on my left ear. My right ear is perfect though). I'm just worried I won't like the sound of the B&O as much, from what I've read so far. But we'll see, different ears, different experience :)

The H6 weren't as comfortable as I thought they'd be. They were surprisingly small, and so the cups weren't very big or deep. Looking at the pictures I thought they'd be bigger, almost Sony 1R size, but I was wrong.

post #279 of 1472
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

I've had good luck with the Audio-Technica ATH-ANC7 (the first gen - not the "b" version).  I usually trade off with a pair of IEMs on a plane to deal with comfort issues.

 

But the real answer is to travel with three headphones -- an over-ear NC, a passive IEM, and a good-sounding portable.  Use the NC on the plane, the IEMs briefly on the plane and while walking around, and the portable briefly while walking and in the hotel.  I suspect the P7 can serve as the good-sounding portable, yes?  

Very much yes. 

 

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Originally Posted by FenderP View Post
 

 

 

 

I need to add the P7 and thoughts on the NC to my my master thread. http://www.head-fi.org/t/639292/master-noise-cancelling-shootout-sony-mdr-1rnc-vs-sony-mdr-nwnc200-vs-akg-k490nc-vs-bose-qc15-vs-sennheiser-momentum-vs-harman-kardon-nc

 

I hate, hate, hate the QC15. It sounds like poo musically but does have OK noise cancelling. To me, the HK NC is better all around than the QC15. All of them have some sort of tradeoff.

 

If B&W made an ANC version of the P7 that sounded as good as the regular P7, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

 

I chuckled at the 3 headphone solution - it's kinda true. But takes up too much space :)

The QC15s are pretty good sounding. Not great, but pretty good. And noise isolation wise, they are the king of the heap. Tyll put them on his Wall of Fame for NC headphones for good reason. Their NC abilities are the best around.

post #280 of 1472
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

The QC15s are pretty good sounding. Not great, but pretty good. And noise isolation wise, they are the king of the heap. Tyll put them on his Wall of Fame for NC headphones for good reason. Their NC abilities are the best around.

No, they're awful for music. Blech.

 

The HK is the only thing I've found close to their NC ability, but neither is perfect that way, either.

post #281 of 1472
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Originally Posted by FenderP View Post
 

No, they're awful for music. Blech.

 

The HK is the only thing I've found close to their NC ability, but neither is perfect that way, either.

I still say they're pretty good. Again, not great, but not bad. YMMV (as it appears it does).

post #282 of 1472
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Originally Posted by p a t r i c k View Post
 

 

The P5s have a great advantage in being compact and fitting very easily into a small shoulder bag. I suspect I would find the P7s a bit large for truly portable use. However they might be good for use when travelling longer distances, use on aeroplanes or when on holiday for example.

Yes, the P7 are quite a bit bigger than the P5. The P5 are the right combination of practical size, comfort and isolation which is rare. The P7 strike me more as headphones you'd use at home, on walks or commuting. For longer travels and flights something more compact might be more ideal, though the P7 would probably do just fine there as well. I've ended up using my P7 at home the majority of the time instead of my HD 800, and outside I'm using the Kef M500.

post #283 of 1472
So, what you are saying is that the P7's don't belong in any kind of portable headphone shootout. Got it - makes perfect sense. Thanks.

Lol - just giving Mac a hard time... Carry on!
post #284 of 1472

Portability is very subjective.  For me, thinness is more important than overall reduced volume when considering the transport size of a portable headphone.  This is where the P5 is brilliant in its design when it is packed up.  I have other headphones that fold towards the headband like the P7 -- in this case, the Yamaha Pro500 -- and the thickness of the folded form factor is still too large for portability.  I have other headphones whose earcups swivel like the P5 -- Audio Technica ATH-ANC7 and ESW9 to name two -- and these pack better than the Pro500.   Even the non-folding V-MODA M80 is fairly easy to bring along in its case, although that is an on-ear model with very small earcups.  

 

If the P7 folded "flat" like the P5, I would be very interested in them as a portable headphone. The frequency response curve measured by Brent Butterworth compared the P7 and P5, and I know based on the way I EQ the P5 that the P7 is closer to my target response.  Maybe I'll stop by the Apple Store to have a listen and also see how small these can get when folded -- but I suspect they will still be too thick for me to carry around.   


Edited by jazzman7 - 10/21/13 at 10:03pm
post #285 of 1472

I'm waiting to see Apple's announcements regarding the new iPad and iPad mini. Wish I could afford both ;) I'd pair the iPad full size with the P7 and the iPad Mini with my P5. I'm really just kidding size it relative to what you want to put up with regarding music systems.

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