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post #1006 of 1111
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Originally Posted by joep2k View Post

Was at the apple store at NYC soho yesterday looking to grab a pair of momentums. While listening to them I also tried the b and o h6. That's when one of the associated casually mentioned to "try the p7s, the others are just toys inc the h6". I was hesitant to listen to him cuz I thought he was just trying to sell those instead. I did however, and they absolutely blew me away, never heard such clear midrange in any phones in my life, and the bass presence and clarity was phenomenal. I'm no audiophile who can spend hours analyzing and tinkering with eqs, however you could tell instantly the clarity btwn the p7s and momentums at least which at first sounded great, but after hearing the p7 was almost muddied. It's hard for me to just know but I think I knew from the first time I heard them. Funny thing is I tried to buy them right there, but he didn't even have any in stock, cuz apparently they are that stores best seller.. Now I'm back home in Toronto, and have to see if they have em in stock at the apple store here frown.gif

I've also got sennheiser hd598, amperiors, tma1, but none come close, though I still love my hd598..


As a previous owner of the Momentums, I'd be skeptical of your initial audition simply because the P7's will sound muddled and congested if fed from the wrong source or fed the wrong songs. The Momentums have a dry, very midrange dominated sound, hence them sounding clearer, especially if the source that the audio was coming from is given a natural "v" equalized sound, or that the song you were listening to had it.

 

If you hear "Hotel California" over the P7's with a Zune or a stereo feeding it, that "muddied" sound concern flies right out the window. They are so revealing that it's actually a little bad; they're ruining some songs for me by revealing tiny vocal distortions from compression, or floor hiss that I never heard before, but spectrograph readings reveal.

 

Every time I auditioned a set of headphones at the Apple store and bought them, I'd go home and have a totally different sounding pair because most are driven from iPods, which are the literal definition of hell for music listening. My Harmon Kardon BT's sounded like trash at the Apple store, but I got them for looks, and ended up having a very pleasing sounding headphone once driven from my Zune.

 

However, if you got to try a pair that you fed from your own PMP/phone, then this would just be a case of varying tastes and at that point, will wish you the best in your hunt for YOUR favorite headphones :gs1000smile:


Edited by CapturedSociety - 4/3/14 at 2:06pm
post #1007 of 1111
Hi CaptiredSociety,

I think you may have missed my point. I did both auditions using my own iphone 5 which I've been told has a poor amp capability, however it was all I have. I found the p7 with much clearer mids, while not neglecting having a punchy bass and pretty good at silencing the in between "noise or muddiness" heard in the momentums, not sure if I'm using the right word. Like I mentioned, I auditioned the momentums along with h6 earlier a number of times prior and was there ready to buy momentums. Can't really pinpoint what it is but I just really like they'd sound, whether it's "accurate" or not. U guess there really is value in auditioning for yourself versus just following recommendations from others, though it is greatly appreciated when reviews are posted.
post #1008 of 1111

Any P7 users out there that have tried the P5s? It seems that at least here the P5s can be had for well under 200€ new vs the 299€ MSRP, but the P7s are still at the 399€ mark. Thats over 100% price difference. Is it worth it? 

post #1009 of 1111

I enjoy the P7's a lot more than the P5's, not only do they sound better, but they're more comfortable as well (to me at least).

 

If you can't or prefer not to spend the $400 on the P7's you may want to consider picking up the NAD Viso HP50's ($299) instead of the P5's (Amazon has the P5's for $289 at the moment). I prefer the P7's to the NAD's, but many seem to love the HP50's and they're circumaural like the B&W P7's and in "my opinion" they too sound better than the P5's. Of course, we're talking headphones here and what is comfortable to one may not be for another and the same is true for sound quality preferences. Best of luck! 


Edited by KLJTech - 4/6/14 at 9:31am
post #1010 of 1111
AT m50 is a good inexpensive hp which I prefer for gaming. When on the walkabout listening to music the p7 is hard to beat. P5's are not really in the same ballpark...
post #1011 of 1111
I have both P7 and P5 and enjoy them both. Their sound signatures are very different. The P5 has a much heavier sounding midrange. Comparing them in store I was very disappointed with the P7 as it didn't have the B&W (P5, C5, P3) house sound. Listening at home I find the P7 delightful though.
post #1012 of 1111

Would it make sense to buy the B&W P7 if someone has the Shure SE846 as portable. I'm pretty damn happy about my Shure SE846, just wondering if I'm missing out on anything. 

post #1013 of 1111
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

Would it make sense to buy the B&W P7 if someone has the Shure SE846 as portable. I'm pretty damn happy about my Shure SE846, just wondering if I'm missing out on anything. 

Absolutely not, I have p5 and don't justify the price tag, bought them 250 pounds, compared to shure se215 so I guess that it's the same pattern with p7 vs shure se846.

B&W is overpriced, not like bose and beats because b&w is quality but I wouldn't buy these at that price tag.

post #1014 of 1111

back at a keyboard....

 

with a little help from May issue of Sound & Vision I will show quotes:

 

"The P7 doesn't share a single part with the P5"  (other than the sheepskin leather head-band)

"The 40 mm drivers are a lot closer to a speaker driver design." (delivering a very smooth bass )

"Sonafil is used in the ear cup to damp the drivers back wave."   The openings above the driver are used to smooth bass response.

Overall it was described as having "great bass and overall gusto."  "Its a more viscerally sounding headphone."

Compared to the P5 "soundstage expands, dynamic contrasts grow wider and the bass plumbs deeper." An open back P7 is planned in the future to further widen the soundstage. They give it a 5 star build quality and 4 stars each for performance, comfort and value.

 

This is the first review I've seen from an audiophile mag and it really holds true to what I have felt since the first time I put these phones on.  I am trying very hard to be objective but when I first heard the P7's I looked like my icon.

 

take a listen...

post #1015 of 1111

Soundvision online review of P7

"One is struck by how open and live music sounds. The detail is immense, while the sound is well balanced and cohesive. P7 has perhaps not the “kick ass” bass lika a pair of Beats, but they are several divisions above in terms of finesse and transparency. The soundstage is more open than in the Sennheiser Momentum and the cohesion is better than with the Grado PS500."

 

http://www.soundvisionreview.com/headphone-reviews/bowers-wilkins-p7-review/

 

Compare to NAD HP50,

"The sound character is warm, cozy and the sound is open, though not as transparent and refined as in B&W P7."

 

http://www.soundvisionreview.com/headphone-reviews/nad-viso-hp50-review/

post #1016 of 1111

Headed into the Apple Store on Saturday while the wife was shopping at the mall with no intention of purchasing. Spent some time listening to the B&O H6 and the P7s - both impressed me, but ended up grabbing the P7s because of how quickly my ears acclimated to the sound within the 30 minutes of listening to each.  Elevated treble and bass just makes me happy.  I'll keep my V-Moda M-100s for my on the go cans, but it looks like the Denon D600s will be going up on e-bay.

post #1017 of 1111
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post
 

Would it make sense to buy the B&W P7 if someone has the Shure SE846 as portable. I'm pretty damn happy about my Shure SE846, just wondering if I'm missing out on anything. 

 

Personal preference I would think. I'm not a big fan of in-ear myself. Just doesn't give you the same "feel", but I'm sure that varies from person to person. I have never tried an in-ear the quality of SE846 though (IE80 is the "best" in-ear I have ever tested).

 

If I were to buy the IE80 I would only use it whenever it wouldn't be practical to use the P7. Where that "limit" would be for the SE846 I couldn't say. They would have to be much much better than the IE80 to change that though.

 

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Originally Posted by efib View Post
 

Absolutely not, I have p5 and don't justify the price tag, bought them 250 pounds, compared to shure se215 so I guess that it's the same pattern with p7 vs shure se846.

B&W is overpriced, not like bose and beats because b&w is quality but I wouldn't buy these at that price tag.

 

In my opinion P5 really isn't comparable to the P7 - so I'm not sure if the comparison works.

 

In terms of sound quality I don't think the P7 is good value compared to for example the HP50, but the overall package I don't think it especially overpriced. The difference in price between something like the Momentum and the P7 is more than justified in my opinion. And because of the fit issues with the HP50 I really didn't feel like I paid too much for the P7 when I bought them neither.

 

I'm not sure if I can justify the price for the P5 and P3 in the same way. But I guess at the time they were launched the price level might have made more sense than now - and that they are selling well so why lower it?

post #1018 of 1111

P7P7P7...tried it twice...sansa clip n my ipad.....the P7 has a brightish tinge to the sound on both my roadwarrior players...sighhh...i was soooo hopeful i would like it.

And that contoured EDGE on the pad had me wondering if it is gonna be a pain on my face a few hours down the line. 

 

I owned the P5 twice over n liked it on both seasons.... that mellow rich sound, intoxicating. 

 

Let me try it out again with my new fone....P7P7P7, u better make me happpppy !! 

post #1019 of 1111
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

P7P7P7...tried it twice...sansa clip n my ipad.....the P7 has a brightish tinge to the sound on both my roadwarrior players...sighhh...i was soooo hopeful i would like it.

And that contoured EDGE on the pad had me wondering if it is gonna be a pain on my face a few hours down the line. 

 

I owned the P5 twice over n liked it on both seasons.... that mellow rich sound, intoxicating. 

 

Let me try it out again with my new fone....P7P7P7, u better make me happpppy !! 

 

What type of source files are you using to judge the B&W P7...MP3, WAV or FLAC?

 

I've never listened to my P7's with anything less than a CD ripped to FLAC using the very least amount of compression or a non-compressed WAV files. I find that the P7's scales well with better gear so I have to think that less than stellar music files will sound impressive than higher quality rips. 

 

Best of luck with your latest pair! 


Edited by KLJTech - 4/10/14 at 6:30am
post #1020 of 1111

i loaded non-compressed WAV files ripped from cds on my sansa ...and AIFF on my ipad.  i keep two harddiskset of these 2 diff formats.

I dun carry anything more audiophile than those two runofmillplayers when i am out on the streets...lolz.

They are rough gauges i know, maybe a home tube amp set up would push the P7 into stellar performance. 

one day, when i can snag one on the cheap i will take a dive.

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