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post #526 of 591

Oh great so you are in Tokyo too. Too bad you missed the show time!

Here are some images of my favorites

https://www.facebook.com/MusicaAcoustics

P.S  I will be in Munich Hi-end Show departing tomorrow, will be back on the 19th,.

we can meet any time onwards. I will have Whiplash  available from now on..

Cheers

post #527 of 591

I got these for a week or so, without any extended audition.

 

At first I though it was an impulse purchase that shall soon be mourned, but since I love the looks of these (yes looks, not sound......at least not yet) I decided to do some more experiment with these.

 

And now I got some very, VERY recommendable sound from these. And famously touted as the darkest iem ever by some, I begin to find its own sparkle. Real sparkle, not those discovered by burnt-in ears.

 

The S-EM6 may be the MOST tip/fit dependent IEM I've ever tried in my 10+ ears of IEM journey. Wrong tips, wrong fit, the sound ranged from the top of the world to crap off-the-shelf el-cheapos. Distance from the drivers to the eardrum is quite finnicky in thise case. FIRST OF ALL, these babies are meant to be fit DEEP. Any shallow insertion returns with a darkish veiled sound. Funny thing, since from my experience many IEMs benefitted from a shallower fit for want of highs, while deep fit usually means more bass. But no in this case a deep fit means EVERYTHING. Not Ety deep, but the sweet spot is close. Secondly, the shell is huge, especially the part in the rear that houses the bass drivers. Because of that, to achieve a deep fit, you have to TWIST them a little (at least that's how it worked in my case), so that the cable (i.e. the memory wire part) is pointing more forward than upward.

 

I can't get the fit with the included tips..............it's a real strange decision to include only one type of tips of the same size. I settled on the Westone True Fit foams - anyone wanna use the Westone Stars or Truefits or any other tips, please choose those with a SHORTER length - longer ones, even with a deep fit, keep the drivers too far away from the eardrum and as mentioned makes the sound veiled and ridiculously dark.

 

I still can't decide if these are keepers, mostly because I have too many IEMs to play with already, but for those who are only aiming at one or two top tier IEMs these are highly recommendable PROVIDED THAT you know how to, and you can, achieve a deep and comfy fit with them.

post #528 of 591
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Originally Posted by productred View Post
 

I got these for a week or so, without any extended audition.

 

At first I though it was an impulse purchase that shall soon be mourned, but since I love the looks of these (yes looks, not sound......at least not yet) I decided to do some more experiment with these.

 

And now I got some very, VERY recommendable sound from these. And famously touted as the darkest iem ever by some, I begin to find its own sparkle. Real sparkle, not those discovered by burnt-in ears.

 

The S-EM6 may be the MOST tip/fit dependent IEM I've ever tried in my 10+ ears of IEM journey. Wrong tips, wrong fit, the sound ranged from the top of the world to crap off-the-shelf el-cheapos. Distance from the drivers to the eardrum is quite finnicky in thise case. FIRST OF ALL, these babies are meant to be fit DEEP. Any shallow insertion returns with a darkish veiled sound. Funny thing, since from my experience many IEMs benefitted from a shallower fit for want of highs, while deep fit usually means more bass. But no in this case a deep fit means EVERYTHING. Not Ety deep, but the sweet spot is close. Secondly, the shell is huge, especially the part in the rear that houses the bass drivers. Because of that, to achieve a deep fit, you have to TWIST them a little (at least that's how it worked in my case), so that the cable (i.e. the memory wire part) is pointing more forward than upward.

 

I can't get the fit with the included tips..............it's a real strange decision to include only one type of tips of the same size. I settled on the Westone True Fit foams - anyone wanna use the Westone Stars or Truefits or any other tips, please choose those with a SHORTER length - longer ones, even with a deep fit, keep the drivers too far away from the eardrum and as mentioned makes the sound veiled and ridiculously dark.

 

I still can't decide if these are keepers, mostly because I have too many IEMs to play with already, but for those who are only aiming at one or two top tier IEMs these are highly recommendable PROVIDED THAT you know how to, and you can, achieve a deep and comfy fit with them.

 

After sticking to Westone TruFits for a couple of days, I started to worry that the actually narrower openings of both makes of Westone tips would have an impact on sound since it sound quite different from what I hear with the stock tips (when I do get the right seal occasionally)

 

I then look to the evergreen solution of Shure olives, and there.........................why haven't I think of that before? The sound open up, the trebles soar thru, the soundstage open up, AND I can get a seal in a split second.

 

BTW lately I have been treating myself to two very opposing flavours in the S-EM6s and the Dita Answer Truth Edition. While I do intend to run in both babies a little, my aim of doing this is actually STOPPING myself from settling into, or getting used to, one sound profile and cannot evaluate the respective sound signatures in a more objective manner. When I switch from the Truth to the S-EM6, the sound noticeably become more laid back, more relaxing, with more beefy mids and vocals, darker yes, but never a lack of highs, or extension thereof. IMHO the sense of brightness doesn't have to do with the highs - rather it's in the high-mids / low-highs region that ears perceive treble quantity. The S-EM6 doesn't bump that area at all, and that may lead many to conclude it's inherently dark. But now I can conclusively say that with the right fit, it does sparkles.........even glitter at times. A mellow yet vastly detailed sound is VERY hard to achieve especially in case of in-ears, and I think Earsonics did a marvelous job in achieving just that.

post #529 of 591
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Originally Posted by productred View Post

After sticking to Westone TruFits for a couple of days, I started to worry that the actually narrower openings of both makes of Westone tips would have an impact on sound since it sound quite different from what I hear with the stock tips (when I do get the right seal occasionally)

I then look to the evergreen solution of Shure olives, and there.........................why haven't I think of that before? The sound open up, the trebles soar thru, the soundstage open up, AND I can get a seal in a split second.

BTW lately I have been treating myself to two very opposing flavours in the S-EM6s and the Dita Answer Truth Edition. While I do intend to run in both babies a little, my aim of doing this is actually STOPPING myself from settling into, or getting used to, one sound profile and cannot evaluate the respective sound signatures in a more objective manner. When I switch from the Truth to the S-EM6, the sound noticeably become more laid back, more relaxing, with more beefy mids and vocals, darker yes, but never a lack of highs, or extension thereof. IMHO the sense of brightness doesn't have to do with the highs - rather it's in the high-mids / low-highs region that ears perceive treble quantity. The S-EM6 doesn't bump that area at all, and that may lead many to conclude it's inherently dark. But now I can conclusively say that with the right fit, it does sparkles.........even glitter at times. A mellow yet vastly detailed sound is VERY hard to achieve especially in case of in-ears, and I think Earsonics did a marvelous job in achieving just that.
Well, maybe you should just stock with stock ear tips, that sounds the best imo (at least I'm using them right now)
post #530 of 591
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Well, maybe you should just stock with stock ear tips, that sounds the best imo (at least I'm using them right now)

 

As I've said I can't maintain a consistent seal/fit with the stock tips unfortunately...............I can't understand why they just provide tips in one single size of the same make.

post #531 of 591
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As I've said I can't maintain a consistent seal/fit with the stock tips unfortunately...............I can't understand why they just provide tips in one single size of the same make.

Not anymore, now they deliver the S-EM6 with two sizes. Ask them ;)

post #532 of 591

In my case I usually hate silicon tips for lack of comfort thus I was using Westone foam tips for long time, but very recently re-tested the original silicone bi-flange hearing many opinions that these would give best sound quality.

Quite unexpectedly I am perfectly happy with these for the sound as well as comfort. Lucky one here.

 

Shures, Sennheisers, Westones, whatsoever,,, they include so so many variety of tips but in my experience most of them are useless to make me end up picking up what I already have... so little skeptical to think that can be a good idea for Earsonics to include as many ear tips as other companies are doing (that may also contribute to make price tag higher). However they should have at least included S/M/L sizes, if, as pointed out, the ear tips selection matters so much to the sound impression.

 

 

For the sound impression, my view is that IEMs like S-EM6 require additional time for "brain burn in" for their typical fully closed IEM design, meaning that is very different from what, for example, any open cannes like HD800 can provide.

 

"Brain burn in" in other expression is "get used to it" and that is nothing special.

 

The case S-EM6 is the very typical one but for the other IEMs there is always same argument of "sound is not right".

Roxanne Universal, W50, UM pro50... interestingly, for those (similar, in a way they all have super-multi BA drivers design) I ve also seen comments like sound being dark, muffled, congested, etc, but my guess is that after weeks of usage the impression may change drastically towards positive side for anyone.

 

Looking forward to testing Roxanne Universal to see how those compare to S-EM6.

 

("We don't need so many drivers!" argument is welcome but I also welcome diversity and love Klipsch X10 with single driver too :rolleyes:)

post #533 of 591
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Originally Posted by Rollk2 View Post
 

Not anymore, now they deliver the S-EM6 with two sizes. Ask them ;)

 

AFAIK they are providing a smaller size in newer batches (in fact mine should be considered rather new - it's a devil red edition) BUT i think i need a larger one instead.

 

Or maybe it's not size, maybe it's materials........I never had any problems with double flanges from other manufacturers, I'm perfectly happy with those supplied by Cardas, Fitear etc. But for some reason I just can't make the ones that came with the Earsonics work. It happened before on my SM3 as well, which I sold quite a long while ago.

post #534 of 591

Hi all ! I'm selling my pair of S-em6 ! If anyone is interested,please shoot me a pm ! thanks !

post #535 of 591

Miraculously, after some trials with every tips available I gave the stock double flanges another try and guess what I finally managed to find a way to achieve a sustainable seal. It's just a matter of getting used to how to place the largish shell flush in the outer ear and in what orientation to give it a little twist so that it goes deeper and holds onto position.

 

More hassle than the usual stuff yes, but the rewards are HUGE. Now I agree the stock tips give the most desirable balance, the optimal soundstage and surprisingly almost perfect comfort and isolation.

post #536 of 591
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Originally Posted by productred View Post
 

Miraculously, after some trials with every tips available I gave the stock double flanges another try and guess what I finally managed to find a way to achieve a sustainable seal. It's just a matter of getting used to how to place the largish shell flush in the outer ear and in what orientation to give it a little twist so that it goes deeper and holds onto position.

 

More hassle than the usual stuff yes, but the rewards are HUGE. Now I agree the stock tips give the most desirable balance, the optimal soundstage and surprisingly almost perfect comfort and isolation.

 

I am also using the stock tips on the S-EM6 and its very comfortable.

post #537 of 591

Source is also really important.

 

I recently changed from iPhone 5S + AK10 (same as beyerdynamic A200p) to Fiio X5, and this indeed was an improvement.

 

AK10 is not a bad one but its output is rather on the thicker side, so actually it had not been a nice idea to couple it with already thick sounding S-EM6.

 

Fiio X5 has been a nice solution and I am really happy with this new combo.

 

Adding decent amp may make it even better but I would rather stay away from that approach as things will be then too bulky.

post #538 of 591
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Originally Posted by tyojpn View Post
 

Source is also really important.

 

I recently changed from iPhone 5S + AK10 (same as beyerdynamic A200p) to Fiio X5, and this indeed was an improvement.

 

AK10 is not a bad one but its output is rather on the thicker side, so actually it had not been a nice idea to couple it with already thick sounding S-EM6.

 

Fiio X5 has been a nice solution and I am really happy with this new combo.

 

Adding decent amp may make it even better but I would rather stay away from that approach as things will be then too bulky.

 

I agree. For convenience when I do not have a jacket pocket to put my AK100 in I had tried using the S-EM6 straight out of an ipod nano, and although it sounds nothing offensive I could immediate notice the the huge difference in source quality. This I cannot always do with iems of lesser quality. The AK100 is a very nice compromise pairing with the 60ohm S-EM6. 

 

I also stop myself from adding an amp to the mix. Many of the best portable amps tend to enhance the midrange, but this may actually work against the already mid-full S-EM6. I'm very happy with this slim combo of AK100+S-EM6 (Lush, warm, intimate and sweeeeeeeeeet, AND ready-2-go ultra portable) - this compliments truly perfectly with my AK100+Kojo KM01+Dita Answer (Truth) combo (to-the-point accurate, uber detailed and ultra fast transients, boundless extension).

post #539 of 591

Yes you should be right because although AK100(DAP) and AK10(Amp) are sharing same DAC Chip (WM8740), interestingly for some reason the output from AK10 is more colored with slightly scooped up punchy bass.

iPhone 5S+AK10 was just a genuine improvement of iPhone 5S sound but not a solution for iPhone 5S's congested mid-range, so there was a feeling that this combo was not pulling out best out of S-EM6.

 

In comparison AK100 is generally neutral and on the "cooler side" for its sound sig (same apply for AK120 as well) so when used with S-EM6 the result is really good. Very spacious and neat sound.

Not now but for some time I had been using AK120 so I am pretty sure that AK100 or 120 is ideal for S-EM6. 

 

I am now happy with Fiio X5 but this one gives slightly warmer sound than AKs so when talking only about S-EM6, may be the cooler sounding AKs are better companions.

(hear some opinions AK240 is not as neutral as AK100/120 though)

post #540 of 591

To me, S-EM6 is one particular BA IEM which demands for driving power. My feelings is its really demanding for power, maybe even more demanding than the IE800. If you are happy with AK100/AK120, you shall be even much more happy if you feed more power to it. ;)

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