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post #316 of 1590
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Originally Posted by MikonJuice View Post
 

Honey Boy, can you be a little more specific?
On the same league you mean they perform almost identical or are there any differences between them?
 

MikonJuice, it should be noted that my conclusion is based on perhaps a superficial audition of the Dunu DN-1000. I compared it with the GR07 MK2 that I own, and felt that though there were obvious differences in sound signature, I'd put them in the same tier performance-wise. My impression was that they both offered excellent value, and that opting for either would weigh more heavily on individual preferences as opposed to one outperforming the other. The most apparent distinctions between the two of them to me are:

 

 The GR07 comes across as the more balanced and neutral of the two, with the DN-1000 having more warmth. The bass depth on both are excellent, in my opinion. The GR07 has just as much bass extension as the DN-1000, but the bass is more well behaved, and agile. That is, it is more light-footed than that of  the DN-1000. The DN-1000's bass has a 'rubbery' or 'bouncy' characteristic. You'll feel those low bass notes, and notice its decay, which I suspect lingers longer than necessary. The GR07 does drums better in my opinion. In fact, it's quite impeccable in its portrayal of drums to my ears.

 

The 'headstage' of the DN-1000 is better at making me conjure up a more immense 'soundstage' both in depth and width. The projected sound field of the GR07 isn't small by my accounts, but it seems to lack in depth.

 

The treble on the  DN-1000 has managed to elude my rather ephemeral memory so I'll refrain from commenting on it, but I can say that  I can detect some lower treble emphasis on the GR07. I never really hear it as harsh, and it does come across as if it's augmenting the details, and providing texture in the music. Its treble isn't as smooth, and extended as that of, say an IE8, nor is it as laser sharp as that of a TF10.

 

I've seen sporadic comments in a few threads describing the GR07 as 'dull', and 'boring'. Whilst I do not subscribe to those views regarding the GR07, I can understand why some may feel that way. When I first bought the GR07, I liked its sound, but didn't think too much of it. Over time, I've grown to appreciate and relish what it does, or more so doesn't do. Where some of my IEMs try to charm me with added refinements and embellishments, the GR07 SEEMINGLY strives to present an unprocessed, and relatively balanced sound. It sounds natural enough to not sound overly dry or clinical. I regard its sound reproduction as being crude, but not quite. The DN-1000 to me sounds more refined, and warmer. It sounded to me as almost dry yet slightly warm. I sensed that you would be more inclined to sit back and enjoy your music with this IEM, than overly analyzing it. In as much as we like generalizations, my hunch is that most would find the DN-1000 as more 'fun', and the GR07 as more 'accurate'. Whatever the definition of those terms, I found both IEMS to be enjoyable in their own right. 


Edited by HONEYBOY - 12/4/13 at 11:42am
post #317 of 1590
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Originally Posted by HONEYBOY View Post
 

MikonJuice, it should be noted that my conclusion is based on perhaps a superficial audition of the Dunu DN-1000. I compared it with the GR07 MK2 that I own, and felt that though there were obvious differences in sound signature, I'd put them in the same tier performance-wise. My impression was that they both offered excellent value, and that opting for either would weigh more heavily on individual preferences as opposed to one outperforming the other. The most apparent distinctions between the two of them to me are:

 

 The GR07 comes across as the more balanced and neutral of the two, with the DN-1000 having more warmth. The bass depth on both are excellent, in my opinion. The GR07 has just as much bass extension as the DN-1000, but the bass is more well behaved, and agile. That is, it is more light-footed than that of  the DN-1000. The DN-1000's bass has a 'rubbery' or 'bouncy' characteristic. You'll feel those low bass notes, and notice its decay, which I suspect lingers longer than necessary. The GR07 does drums better in my opinion. In fact, it's quite impeccable in its portrayal of drums to my ears.

 

The 'headstage' of the DN-1000 is better at making me conjure up a more immense 'soundstage' both in depth and width. The projected sound field of the GR07 isn't small by my accounts, but it seems to lack in depth.

 

The treble on the  DN-1000 has managed to elude my rather ephemeral memory so I'll refrain from commenting on it, but I can say that  I can detect some lower treble emphasis on the GR07. I never really hear it as harsh, and it does come across as if it's augmenting the details, and providing texture in the music. Its treble isn't as smooth, and extended as that of, say an IE8, nor is it as laser sharp as that of a TF10.

 

I've seen sporadic comments in a few threads describing the GR07 as 'dull', and 'boring'. Whilst I do not subscribe to those views regarding the GR07, I can understand why some may feel that way. When I first bought the GR07, I liked its sound, but didn't think too much of it. Over time, I've grown to appreciate and relish what it does, or more so doesn't do. Where some of my IEMs try to charm me with added refinements and embellishments, the GR07 SEEMINGLY strives to present an unprocessed, and relatively balanced sound. It sounds natural enough to not sound overly dry or clinical. I regard its sound reproduction as being crude, but not quite. The DN-1000 to me sounds more refined, and warmer. It sounded to me as almost dry yet slightly warm. I sensed that you would be more inclined to sit back and enjoy your music with this IEM, than overly analyzing it. In as much as we like generalizations, my hunch is that most would find the DN-1000 as more 'fun', and the GR07 as more 'accurate'. Whatever the definition of those terms, I found both IEMS to be enjoyable in their own right. 

Which GR07 are you comparing the DN-1000 to, the bass edition? Because everyone hears differently, true enough, but the original GR07 - as good as it is - is very 2-D compared to the DN-1000's 3-Dish presentation.

post #318 of 1590
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

Which GR07 are you comparing the DN-1000 to, the bass edition? Because everyone hears differently, true enough, but the original GR07 - as good as it is - is very 2-D compared to the DN-1000's 3-Dish presentation.

The version I have is the GR07 MK2. I was just a tad lazy to constantly append the MK2, after I first mentioned it. I also did hint at this relative lack of soundstage depth  in the GR07 MK2 above.

post #319 of 1590
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Originally Posted by Bohdy View Post
 

Interesting, thanks!

 

Do you think you could have a listen to some of my favourites from my other thread (http://www.head-fi.org/t/691021/help-me-pick-the-ideal-iem-for-metal-prog ) and perhaps comment on which of the two does them better justice?

 

Really appreciate your opinion!

 

Hi Bohdy!

 

Finally got the Dn-1000 with me and I have listened to your playlists. First and foremost, awesome tracks mate! I loved them all.

 

All I can say is: As a metal fan, hands down I enjoyed all the songs more on the H200. Although the DN-1000 is technically better in most aspects, it's just not the best IEM for heavy metal. The main reason is the delay in bass decay + the boosted sub-bass is too warm for metal to sound "old-school" metal. The DN-1000 will make most metal songs sound like they're played by Disturbed. Not that Disturbed is a bad metal band, but it's just not how most metal tracks should sound like. The bass kicks are just not fast enough for me to enjoy metal bass kicks. Secondly, I don't like the bass guitar to highlight the lower spectrum. I want more bass drum kicks quantity over bass guitar quantity. The DN-1000 has it in reverse: more forward bass guitar over bass drum kicks. Please note that this is my personal preference. If you are the same, which I reckon you are, you'll definitely understand.

 

The H200 has a drier/clearer sounding mids IN METAL because the bass isn't warm enough to affect the presentation in the mids. This is very important to me because I listen closely to guitars when listening to metal. So, if you love your guitar shreds: the H200 is the way to go! And most of all, the bass drum kicks and bass guitar are about the same in quantity depending on how they were recorded/mixed. So altogether, the H200 is the winner for heavy metal in my books. I still have to find an IEM better than the H200 when it comes to metal. The Sony XBA 3 comes in second but not that close to the H200.

 

One thing to consider with the H200, the treble is a bit harsher because of the peak @ 9khz. You have to find the right tips for you to tame it. I found mine and it is now close to my desired presentation.

 

Please refer back to my comparison review between the H200 and DN1000 if you want more details... Hope this helps! 


Edited by d marc0 - 12/4/13 at 3:06pm
post #320 of 1590

Can I also ask for a "test drive" with songs that I like?
(by the way, I'm the user who sent you a message about the Dunu...)

My playlist:

 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93S_l0qZrXA (Creedence Clearwater revival - Heard it through the grapevine)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziuqk8dZwrM (Rainbow - Eyes of the world)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49XBmLTwWsQ (Deep Purple - Sometimes I feel like screaming - in cocncert with the London Sympgony)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I85ceICRM (AC/DC - Let there be rock)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXuBCCBTJbQ (Iron Maiden - Flash of the Blade)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2l8KtdQ7Ek (Stratovarius - Hunting high and low)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_IKkAaodRI (Helloween - A million to one)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFsf9OXrGdE (Megadeth - Mechanix - live)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk (Metallica - For whom the bell tolls)

Sorry... I think I went a little overboard, but I just got too happy listen to this all, haha!

post #321 of 1590
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Originally Posted by MikonJuice View Post
 

Can I also ask for a "test drive" with songs that I like?
(by the way, I'm the user who sent you a message about the Dunu...)

My playlist:

 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93S_l0qZrXA (Creedence Clearwater revival - Heard it through the grapevine)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziuqk8dZwrM (Rainbow - Eyes of the world)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49XBmLTwWsQ (Deep Purple - Sometimes I feel like screaming - in cocncert with the London Sympgony)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I85ceICRM (AC/DC - Let there be rock)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXuBCCBTJbQ (Iron Maiden - Flash of the Blade)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2l8KtdQ7Ek (Stratovarius - Hunting high and low)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_IKkAaodRI (Helloween - A million to one)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFsf9OXrGdE (Megadeth - Mechanix - live)
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk (Metallica - For whom the bell tolls)

Sorry... I think I went a little overboard, but I just got too happy listen to this all, haha!

 

I can already give a quick answer to some:

 

Let There Be Rock: I like the Dunu better than the H200 because AC/DC is just too harsh on the H200.

Helloween - A Million to One: Dunu for vocals but H200 for the rest.

Megadeth - Mechanix: H200 is just better in terms of guitar crunch. DN 1000 is a bit too full sounding; doesn't sound like thrash metal.

Metallica - For whom The Bell Tolls: H200 sounds really good and exactly how i heard it live when I was at the concert. Dunu's bass guitar is just too forward sounding and the guitars on the main riff is too thick for a metallica sound. 

 

Let you know about the rest when I get the time...

post #322 of 1590
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post
 

 

Hi Bohdy!

 

Finally got the Dn-1000 with me and I have listened to your playlists. First and foremost, awesome tracks mate! I loved them all.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

All I can say is: As a metal fan, hands down I enjoyed all the songs more on the H200. Although the DN-1000 is technically better in most aspects, it's just not the best IEM for heavy metal. The main reason is the delay in bass decay + the boosted sub-bass is too warm for metal to sound "old-school" metal. The DN-1000 will make most metal songs sound like they're played by Disturbed. Not that Disturbed is a bad metal band, but it's just not how most metal tracks should sound like. The bass kicks are just not fast enough for me to enjoy metal bass kicks. Secondly, I don't like the bass guitar to highlight the lower spectrum. I want more bass drum kicks quantity over bass guitar quantity. The DN-1000 has it in reverse: more forward bass guitar over bass drum kicks. Please note that this is my personal preference. If you are the same, which I reckon you are, you'll definitely understand.

 

The H200 has a drier/clearer sounding mids IN METAL because the bass isn't warm enough to affect the presentation in the mids. This is very important to me because I listen closely to guitars when listening to metal. So, if you love your guitar shreds: the H200 is the way to go! And most of all, the bass drum kicks and bass guitar are about the same in quantity depending on how they were recorded/mixed. So altogether, the H200 is the winner for heavy metal in my books. I still have to find an IEM better than the H200 when it comes to metal. The Sony XBA 3 comes in second but not that close to the H200.

 

One thing to consider with the H200, the treble is a bit harsher because of the peak @ 9khz. You have to find the right tips for you to tame it. I found mine and it is now close to my desired presentation.

 

Please refer back to my comparison review between the H200 and DN1000 if you want more details... Hope this helps! 

 

 

Good read d marc0! I think I'd better start getting into more metal to appreciate my h200's even more! :)

post #323 of 1590
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Good read d marc0! I think I'd better start getting into more metal to appreciate my h200's even more! :)

:beerchug:

post #324 of 1590
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Originally Posted by HONEYBOY View Post
 

MikonJuice, it should be noted that my conclusion is based on perhaps a superficial audition of the Dunu DN-1000. I compared it with the GR07 MK2 that I own, and felt that though there were obvious differences in sound signature, I'd put them in the same tier performance-wise. My impression was that they both offered excellent value, and that opting for either would weigh more heavily on individual preferences as opposed to one outperforming the other. The most apparent distinctions between the two of them to me are:

 

 The GR07 comes across as the more balanced and neutral of the two, with the DN-1000 having more warmth. The bass depth on both are excellent, in my opinion. The GR07 has just as much bass extension as the DN-1000, but the bass is more well behaved, and agile. That is, it is more light-footed than that of  the DN-1000. The DN-1000's bass has a 'rubbery' or 'bouncy' characteristic. You'll feel those low bass notes, and notice its decay, which I suspect lingers longer than necessary. The GR07 does drums better in my opinion. In fact, it's quite impeccable in its portrayal of drums to my ears.

 

The 'headstage' of the DN-1000 is better at making me conjure up a more immense 'soundstage' both in depth and width. The projected sound field of the GR07 isn't small by my accounts, but it seems to lack in depth.

 

The treble on the  DN-1000 has managed to elude my rather ephemeral memory so I'll refrain from commenting on it, but I can say that  I can detect some lower treble emphasis on the GR07. I never really hear it as harsh, and it does come across as if it's augmenting the details, and providing texture in the music. Its treble isn't as smooth, and extended as that of, say an IE8, nor is it as laser sharp as that of a TF10.

 

I've seen sporadic comments in a few threads describing the GR07 as 'dull', and 'boring'. Whilst I do not subscribe to those views regarding the GR07, I can understand why some may feel that way. When I first bought the GR07, I liked its sound, but didn't think too much of it. Over time, I've grown to appreciate and relish what it does, or more so doesn't do. Where some of my IEMs try to charm me with added refinements and embellishments, the GR07 SEEMINGLY strives to present an unprocessed, and relatively balanced sound. It sounds natural enough to not sound overly dry or clinical. I regard its sound reproduction as being crude, but not quite. The DN-1000 to me sounds more refined, and warmer. It sounded to me as almost dry yet slightly warm. I sensed that you would be more inclined to sit back and enjoy your music with this IEM, than overly analyzing it. In as much as we like generalizations, my hunch is that most would find the DN-1000 as more 'fun', and the GR07 as more 'accurate'. Whatever the definition of those terms, I found both IEMS to be enjoyable in their own right. 


This is getting interesting...
First of all, thanks for your opinion!
It's kind of hard to believe the dunu dn1000 hits harder than GR07 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cHwb8tOEHM - Armin van Buuren Blue Fear is a good example of how not boring are those), On the other hand, truth be told, I do find them a little bit boring for Rock, while going extremely well with these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9lBOSJhR4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kJvAo-Ob-s
I guess you hit the spot when you said something that I could not describe: balanced. I guess it's too balanced for heavy metal and hard rock. Guess I'll be searching for the "fun" of the Dunu's!

post #325 of 1590
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post
 

 

I can already give a quick answer to some:

 

Let There Be Rock: I like the Dunu better than the H200 because AC/DC is just too harsh on the H200.

Helloween - A Million to One: Dunu for vocals but H200 for the rest.

Megadeth - Mechanix: H200 is just better in terms of guitar crunch. DN 1000 is a bit too full sounding; doesn't sound like thrash metal.

Metallica - For whom The Bell Tolls: H200 sounds really good and exactly how i heard it live when I was at the concert. Dunu's bass guitar is just too forward sounding and the guitars on the main riff is too thick for a metallica sound. 

 

Let you know about the rest when I get the time...


Wow, that was quite a lot easier to understand and imagine than reviews!
Thanks, and sorry for all the trouble!

post #326 of 1590
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Originally Posted by HONEYBOY View Post

The version I have is the GR07 MK2. I was just a tad lazy to constantly append the MK2, after I first mentioned it. I also did hint at this relative lack of soundstage depth  in the GR07 MK2 above.

I see. No doubt the Gr07 is a capable earphone. It comes down to sound preference for many.
post #327 of 1590
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post
 

 

Hi Bohdy!

 

Finally got the Dn-1000 with me and I have listened to your playlists. First and foremost, awesome tracks mate! I loved them all.

 

All I can say is: As a metal fan, hands down I enjoyed all the songs more on the H200. Although the DN-1000 is technically better in most aspects, it's just not the best IEM for heavy metal. The main reason is the delay in bass decay + the boosted sub-bass is too warm for metal to sound "old-school" metal. The DN-1000 will make most metal songs sound like they're played by Disturbed. Not that Disturbed is a bad metal band, but it's just not how most metal tracks should sound like. The bass kicks are just not fast enough for me to enjoy metal bass kicks. Secondly, I don't like the bass guitar to highlight the lower spectrum. I want more bass drum kicks quantity over bass guitar quantity. The DN-1000 has it in reverse: more forward bass guitar over bass drum kicks. Please note that this is my personal preference. If you are the same, which I reckon you are, you'll definitely understand.

 

The H200 has a drier/clearer sounding mids IN METAL because the bass isn't warm enough to affect the presentation in the mids. This is very important to me because I listen closely to guitars when listening to metal. So, if you love your guitar shreds: the H200 is the way to go! And most of all, the bass drum kicks and bass guitar are about the same in quantity depending on how they were recorded/mixed. So altogether, the H200 is the winner for heavy metal in my books. I still have to find an IEM better than the H200 when it comes to metal. The Sony XBA 3 comes in second but not that close to the H200.

 

One thing to consider with the H200, the treble is a bit harsher because of the peak @ 9khz. You have to find the right tips for you to tame it. I found mine and it is now close to my desired presentation.

 

Please refer back to my comparison review between the H200 and DN1000 if you want more details... Hope this helps! 


I know what you mean about the boosted sub-bass. When I run my DN-1000 from Sansa Clip+ with a good seal they become pretty hefty downstairs, I actually enjoy it for EDM, really satisfying. however when I want to listen to Maria Mena or Taylor Swift for example it can linger a little to long in the stage, it's not bloated or muddy just has a bit to much decay for those genres. This is where my Hisound Rocco BA helps because it actually suffers some bass-roll off in it's design, (which in a perfect design shouldn't be there), the outcome is you lose that very bottom end of sub-bass, actually tones them down to be more balanced, because of the roll-off that last fraction of decay disappears. That's why I find the pairing almost perfect. By all means I love the ability to switch over because on the go where I take the Clip+ with me outside in noisy environments I love that bass masking everything around me, gives a nice sub-woofer in your head effect. However, for indoors and night listening they stay glued to the Rocco. 

 


Edited by H20Fidelity - 12/6/13 at 1:10am
post #328 of 1590
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Originally Posted by MikonJuice View Post
 

Wow, that was quite a lot easier to understand and imagine than reviews!
 

+1 > straight to point.:tongue_smile:

post #329 of 1590
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


I know what you mean about the boosted sub-bass. When I run my DN-1000 from Sansa Clip+ with a good seal they become pretty hefty downstairs, I actually enjoy it for EDM, really satisfying. however when I want to listen to Maria Mena or Taylor Swift for example it can linger a little to long in the stage, it's not bloated or muddy just has a bit to much decay for those genres. This is where my Hisound Rocco BA helps because it actually suffers some bass-roll off in it's design, (which in a perfect design shouldn't be there), the outcome is you lose that very bottom end of sub-bass, actually tones them down to be more balanced, because of the roll-off that last fraction of decay disappears. That's why I find the pairing almost perfect. By all means I love the ability to switch over because on the go where I take the Clip+ with me outside in noisy environments I love that bass masking everything around me, gives a nice sub-woofer in your head effect. However, for indoors and night listening they stay glued to the Rocco. 


 


I also noticed the same roll off with the c3. The dn1000 has great synergy with the c3 unamped because of the sub bass roll off. Very nice!

That photo is amazing!
post #330 of 1590
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post


I also noticed the same roll off with the c3. The dn1000 has great synergy with the c3 unamped because of the sub bass roll off. Very nice!

That photo is amazing!


Spot on, C3 does, but to a slightly lesser degree than the Rocco.  If you amp it though it goes away. :)
C3 does however have very low output impedance which is perfect for low impedance IEM's like DN-1000.

Colorfly C3 headphone out.

 

 

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