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post #31 of 1578

Wow, the soundstage is very expansive with these and the X3. Nice!

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post #32 of 1578

Any vacuum fit problems? I always had a bit of trouble with that when I used the Fischer Silver Bullets, which have a similar kind of housing.

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After spending a week or so with it, combination of brain burn in and mechanical burn in, I can say that my impression now is slightly different to my initial impression.

 

picture below credit to bigbargainonline ebay shop

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PACKAGING AND ACCESSORIES

I won't get to too much detail of this, the usual Dunu standard, like all of their IEM, book-style box with magnetic side - accessories wise, you get a tin case, as well as leather string pouch, ear guide, shirt clip, airline adapter, 4 pairs of foam tips, 6 pairs of silicone tips, a pair of dual-flange, and the adjustment ring (more on this one later)

 

DESIGN

Barrel style, made from metal, good quality cable, this is built like a tank and should be able to withstand rough environments

 

FIT

OK now, this can get tricky for some people, to be honest with you, none of the included tips fit me well, due to my large canal, I have to use my trusty V-Moda silicone, or the good old Ts Comply foam (the spherical one), you MUST, I repeat, MUST fit this in properly to enjoy its proper sound, I wasn't able to do this until about the 3rd day of mucking around with tips.

This IEM is rather on the heavy side, so those of you with small ear/canal will feel the weight after a while.

 

ADJUSTMENT RING

Now this is where it gets interesting, the purpose of this is to give you options whether you like shallow fit, or deep fit. There are 3 rings, 2mm, 1.5mm, and 1.2mm. You can mix and match the rings and tips, and I can tell you each combination will give you different sounds; No ring = bassy, smooth treble; 2mm ring = balanced sound, and the other two rings' sound are somewhere in between

 

At the end, I settled with 1.5mm ring + medium comply Ts = gives me the best sound

 

SOUND (based on my combination of adjustment ring and tips as above)

Treble - smooth, detailed, and laid back, some spike here and there depending on the song and quality of recording, but I never got annoyed thus far (I'm quite sensitive to treble spikes), and I have yet to hear any sibilance

Mids - not recessed nor forward, slightly behind the bass, very very slightly veiled (though I dare to bet that not everyone will notice this), good detail and timbre, and again very small spike here and there (depending on the song and quality of recording) but rest assured, the spike is nowhere as bad as H-200

Bass - I think given the right combination of ring and tips, this is the centre piece of this IEM. The bass is hard hitting and full, goes down pretty deep, down to perhaps around 30hz before rolling off, the quality of the bass is excellent, and I have a feeling that it will satisfy some basshead to some extent

Sound stage is wide, and separation is excellent

 

COMPARISON TO OTHER HYBRID

My experience in hybrid IEM is still rather limited, I own H-100 and had a week audition with H-200, I was going to buy Rooth LSX5 but decided to hold off for a while (because my hometown team got to the grand final of Australian Football, so I spent quite a lot of money to fly to Melb to watch them - mind you, AFL grand final is one of the biggest event in Australia so match tickets, airline tickets, and accommodation price around this day is always quadrupled)

In comparison to H-100, this is definitely better (and I am an H-100 fanboi), there are some similarity in the signature, but DN-1000 sounds fuller and much more refined

In comparison to H-200, I can say that H-200 has slightly better sound overall, but one thing that annoyed me with H-200 is its mid-spike

 

So to conclude - I love the sound, and I like it better than H-100 (even during the time when I was completely in love with H-100) - one let down is the fit, I don't really like it, but then again, most likely its because of my large ear and canal.

 

Nice impressions. I pretty much agree with everything you stated except I think it fits my ears better than the H-200. The shells are heavy (holding them), but aren't heavy in the ears to me. I don't think it's aluminum though. I think it is a much more fuller, spacious sound than the H-200; therefore, I think it sounds better than the T-PEOS. The H-200 does, however, have its own special magical timbre, but the DN-1K does something more me in my listening experience. I think it's more refined than the H-200. And I also think there is something missing in the H-200's mids that disturbs me along with the that irritating spike. But the H-200 is still a very earphone. Nice impressions, again. Happy listening.

post #34 of 1578
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Any vacuum fit problems? I always had a bit of trouble with that when I used the Fischer Silver Bullets, which have a similar kind of housing.

 

Not for me.

post #35 of 1578
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Originally Posted by quartertone View Post
 

Any vacuum fit problems? I always had a bit of trouble with that when I used the Fischer Silver Bullets, which have a similar kind of housing.

 

No vacuum fit problem - I know exactly what you mean as I own SB too.

post #36 of 1578
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Nice impressions. I pretty much agree with everything you stated except I think it fits my ears better than the H-200. The shells are heavy (holding them), but aren't heavy in the ears to me. I don't think it's aluminum though. I think it is a much more fuller, spacious sound than the H-200; therefore, I think it sounds better than the T-PEOS. The H-200 does, however, have its own special magical timbre, but the DN-1K does something more me in my listening experience. I think it's more refined than the H-200. And I also think there is something missing in the H-200's mids that disturbs me along with the that irritating spike. But the H-200 is still a very earphone. Nice impressions, again. Happy listening.

 

Thanks mate - yeah I think this is one of those IEM that takes time to adjust to the sound, but once you do, you can't take it out of your ear.

I think this IEM is quite unforgiving when it comes to source, do you find that too?

post #37 of 1578
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Thanks mate - yeah I think this is one of those IEM that takes time to adjust to the sound, but once you do, you can't take it out of your ear.

I think this IEM is quite unforgiving when it comes to source, do you find that too?

 

Hello djvkool. Yes, source makes a big difference with the DN-1K. There is fantastic synergy between the DN-1K and the X3. You really have to find the right tips for you (I love dark thicker silicon stock tips with the widest bore), and the right sound ring. You are correct that these earphones can give out basshead levels (depending on what rings you choose for it). No ring  to ring that's the smallest width is going to push out mega-bass. And you use the ring with the greatest width, you are going to get a good bass response but it will blend more with the mids.

 

So, I didn't think I would be home until Friday, but managed to make it to the house today. On a couple of threads and in my inbox I've been asked to compare the DN1K to the KEF M-200. Here you go:

 

DN1K - a much wider soundstage than the M-200. The Dunu gives you an out of head soundstage experience and pushes you at least 10 rolls (maybe more) from the stage in say a 1000-seat theater. The earphone has great timbre and imaging. Wonderful instrument separation. Of course, wonderful bass and mids with just the right highs that have very good extension. Vocals have wonderful clarity and stand out from the other instruments.

 

M-200 -  To get right to it, the KEF is much more refined than the DN-1K. Yes, the DN-1K has a very good refined sound to it, but A/Bing it to KEF, there is just no competition. The KEF beats the Dunu clarity and timbre, and I don't think they're close at all. The M-200 simply sounds more natural in the performance of the instruments to my ears with more details. Now, in all fairness, my M-200 has more than 100 hours burn-in on it compared to the about less than 10 on the Dunu. Yes, I expect the Dunu to get better, but I don't expect it to catch up with the M-200. And to be honest, before I had a chance to compare them, I thought the Dunu might surpass the M-200 in imaging, refinement and timbre (that is a testament of how good the DN-1K sounds to my ears), but there is no contest. So once again, I have to smash "we like something more because it's new" theory that some of you have. The Dunu, 750i or S2 doesn't touch the M-200. It't the most refined and clear of all four. KEF has the best timbre and live sounding effects.

 

Bass -  Where I have the sound ring on the DN-1K now, bass is about even between it and the M-200. As a matter of fact, there may be a bit more (smidgen more) bass in the Dunu, but KEF - again - wins hands down in quality of bass if it doesn't beat in quantity. 

 

Mids- I think this is where both are closer in sounding similar (thickness of notes and details), but the KEF is still the clear winner in clarity and transparency. The mids are a bit more forward in the M-200 too (I think you're sitting in the second or third roll in that same theater).

 

Highs - Actually the highs sound about the same to me in extension (great on both), but maybe a little more in the KEF. Again, refinement and quality goes to KEF.

 

I should point out that the M-200's soundstage is pretty wide and definitely spacious from front to back, but it just stops short of giving you the "out-of-head"  experience.  The Dunu gives you that.

 

Fullness - Again, KEF wins, but the Dunu is definitely a full-sounding earphone, just not M-200 level. The DN-1K is like some of the finest premium ice cream you can buy, whereas the M-200 is like some of the finest and richest gelato you can buy. That's the difference to my ears. But I want to stress that the DN-1K does have a nice refined sound, but not on M-200 level.

 

What else can I tell you about the two? Hmmm? Well, I think most will find the DN-1K more of a comfortable fit (although out of ear for me the shells are heavy. I don't think the metal is aluminum). Oh, I don't have the H-200 anymore (sold them), but thinking back, I think the H-200 had a more richer and refined bass than the the DN-1K, but it also had a lesser amount of bass. The H-200 just almost hit basshead levels, but didn't cross into that territory. The DN-1K jumps over into basshead levels (but not deep into it, but it's over the line). But the sound as a whole, I think the DN-1K is a more refined sound as whole than the H-200. It's definitely a fuller sound. I think the Dunu has more micro details or at least it's a draw. Now, I'm going by recent memory on the H-200 (and I know how some of you feel about memory), so feel free to take my H-200/DN-1K thoughts with a grain of salt. I won't be offended. I'm am sure, however, about the thicker sound in the Dunus compared to the H-200.

 

Finally, comparing value  of the Dunu, H-200, and M-200.  When I first heard the H-200, I think I wrote it could compete with some $300 (+) earphones (considered top tiers back in the day). I still feel that way about it. And I feel that way about the DN-1K too. But the $200 earphone market has really stepped of its game in the past year or two, that it is fair to compare these earphones in their perspective price brackets now. So for what you can get in sound quality now for about $200 to $250, the Dunu and H-200 are clearly worth it and both are premium earphones in that mid-tier market. But the M-200 is also a $200 earphone. I would have to say the M-200 keeps punching quite far beyond its price bracket to me. It could have cost $350 and I wouldn't feel cheated (maybe even $400). I don't consider the M-200 mid-tier premium sound. I consider the KEF top tier sound. And that's where I'm at fellas. Hope this helps someone make a decision. Happy listening.

post #38 of 1578

Interesting impressions.  How's the coherence, does the dynamic blend well with the BAs?  How large is the Dunu housing?  I would have gone for the KEF if I wasn't concerned about fit/comfort issues.

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So those of you who think you're going to get a better re-tuned DN-1000 need to think again. This is from the Dunu's authorized DN-1K ebay retailer:

 

 

Hello my desr friend.
sorry to told you the DN1000 only one version
the DN1000 no updated version,
DUNU will be release DN2000 in November
is an updated version of DN1000
the price will be different of course
pelase just email me if you have any question and have a nice day
thanks again
best regards

post #40 of 1578
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

So those of you who think you're going to get a better re-tuned DN-1000 need to think again. This is from the Dunu's authorized DN-1K ebay retailer:

 

 

Hello my desr friend.
sorry to told you the DN1000 only one version
the DN1000 no updated version,
DUNU will be release DN2000 in November
is an updated version of DN1000
the price will be different of course
pelase just email me if you have any question and have a nice day
thanks again
best regards

 

Maybe the reseller isn't informed? I got my news straight from the DUNU's marketing. Also, I asked DUNU about the China group buy vs. International version, and the marketing guy told me the difference on the outside is very subtle so most will not notice unless they have both together. I don't think they make any note to differentiate the two versions since the China group buy version is never supposed to be sold outside of the initial group buy.  As he has told me, If the stock isn't very recent (like a week or so), there is a very good chance it is one of the older batch.

post #41 of 1578
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

So those of you who think you're going to get a better re-tuned DN-1000 need to think again. This is from the Dunu's authorized DN-1K ebay retailer:

 

 

Hello my desr friend.
sorry to told you the DN1000 only one version
the DN1000 no updated version,
DUNU will be release DN2000 in November
is an updated version of DN1000
the price will be different of course
pelase just email me if you have any question and have a nice day
thanks again
best regards

 

WOW HO HO HO!! quad BA and dynamic?

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Maybe the reseller isn't informed? I got my news straight from the DUNU's marketing. Also, I asked DUNU about the China group buy vs. International version, and the marketing guy told me the difference on the outside is very subtle so most will not notice unless they have both together. I don't think they make any note to differentiate the two versions since the China group buy version is never supposed to be sold outside of the initial group buy.  As he has told me, If the stock isn't very recent (like a week or so), there is a very good chance it is one of the older batch.

 

ClieOS I have no idea. The retailer is the one authorized retailer Dunu specifically listed on their website as exclusively selling the DN-1000 (I know there are other sellers now). I mean, I really don't care because my DN-1K sounds excellent! It just came in this week and it's not overly bright. Yet, I ordered it almost three weeks prior. So I have no idea with version I have and I'm not worried about it, but I did ask the retailer about it and that was his reply. If people get different sound versions I hope they're happy with it. I just thought I would share the information given to me. It is interesting that Dunu isn't saying much about how they tweaked the sound though.

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WOW HO HO HO!! quad BA and dynamic?

 

I don't know buddy. He didn't say how it would be different.

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I don't know buddy. He didn't say how it would be different.

 

Yeah, I tried to Google it yesterday and couldn't find any info. We will just have to wait until the actual press release. 

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Oh man...the more time I spent with this, the more I love it, I know my experience in hybrid aren't nowhere as much as most of you guys, but damn...this is now my favorite hybrid (against H-100, H-200, and AF78), and I know technically this may not be as proficient as H-200, but yeah, once again...DAMN!!! :wink_face:
 
The key here is perfect seal (just like W3 - tricky to get perfect seal, but once you do, damn...), I found my perfect combination with the 1.5mm rings and medium Ts comply, and the dynamic driver definitely gets better with burn in - I'm not a believer in burn in, but in this case, definitely made it better - mine has about 60hrs mechanical burn in, and close to 50hrs brain burn in, the bass is much fuller, smoother, and controlled.
 
This sounds absolutely mind blowing...
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