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post #631 of 640
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Can someone sum up these headphones for me? Also what type of music genre do they excel at?


As a somewhat more elaborate summary:
They are not fully neutral sounding; they have a bit of extra bass and upper mids to highs. The overall sound is in my opinion quite present: bright but with impact and really detailed.
It does not really have any prefered genre, although semi-open character can make rock music sound a bit distant since it has a wider soundstage than closed back cans. Violins etc. really shine, and drums do too.

For more details, just check my review.

post #632 of 640
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Hi, I see you had the K612. How does it compare with the L2?

The K612 is brighter, more revealing and has more treble, a forward midrange and less bass.

The K612 is definitely more neutral and less forgiving.

Being an open headphone, it has better soundstage in all aspects and the sound is overall lighter but more forward/aggressive.

The L2 is more comfy, more forgiving and musical. The K612 is a true monitoring headphone, while the L2 is warmer and better for casual listening, etc.


Edited by conquerator2 - 11/4/14 at 10:36am
post #633 of 640
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The K612 is brighter, more revealing and has more treble, a forward midrange and less bass.

The K612 is definitely more neutral and less forgiving.

Being an open headphone, it has better soundstage in all aspects and the sound is overall lighter but more forward/aggressive.

The L2 is more comfy, more forgiving and musical. The K612 is a true monitoring headphone, while the L2 is warmer and better for casual listening, etc.

Thanks. The K612 seems very good value for a studio headphone. It's a shame about the aggressiveness, is that why you sold it. It has a hotspot at around 2KHz which many other AKGs have but it was removed in the K712 apparently.

post #634 of 640
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Thanks. The K612 seems very good value for a studio headphone. It's a shame about the aggressiveness, is that why you sold it. It has a hotspot at around 2KHz which many other AKGs have but it was removed in the K712 apparently.

I believe my problem lied somewhere in the lower treble (6khz). The K612 tends to highlight sibilance a bit and I am particularly sensitive to that region. The 2khz boost was less bothersome to me.
I love an airy and extended treble but it has to be smooth.
As a result, the K612 sounded a bit harsh to my ears and the sibilance was an issue.
Lot of headphones have a bit boosted treble, which is fine, but it has to be done almost perfectly, which not all headphones manage.
This could be possibly tamed by using warm equipment but... I could not be bothered as my current rig is only slightly warm smily_headphones1.gif
post #635 of 640

I hated AKG Q701s due to harsh treble. My ears used to start aching after 30 mins. Fidelio L2 is not as smooth sounding as HD650 but they are not harsh at all. I can listen to aggressive music such as dubstep without any problems. They are neutral sounding with some extra bass for a fun sound. Not harsh at all. A modern, urban sound.

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Well I have just joined "Club L2", after keeping my eye on them for the past year. I have actually had pretty much the same experience as conquerator2, they weren't quite what I was expecting at first and I wasn't too sure about them. They are certainly different from all of my other headphones, which is a good thing, but I must say the more I listen to them, the more I like them. Sparkly, detailed with good bass.

 

L1 vs L2

I owned a pair of the L1's over a year ago now and sent them back as I felt they just weren't good enough. I loved their look and build quality, I also enjoyed the nice warm signature, but they just lacked detail to me. The L2 IMO are light-years ahead of them, with exception to the build. Don't get me wrong the L2 still looks great, but they don't feel as nice as the L1 did. More importantly though the sound is so much better. It's strange because instead of refining the signature of the L1, they have gone in a completely different direction. Gone is the warm rich bass signature and recessed highs, instead you have a nicely detailed and sparkly headphone, with the bass taking more of a backseat. I wouldn't call these headphones bass light, they punch when needed, but they aren't for bassheads that's for sure.

 

L2 vs Momentum (over ear)

I bought the Momentum the same time as the L1 and settled on the Momentum because I thought they were a much better headphone all round. Having said that I never really got on with the Momentum. I found the headband uncomfortable and never really enjoyed the recessed highs. I do think they are a really good headphone, but just not my cup of tea and I got bored of them pretty quick. My initial impression of the L2 compared to the Momentum is I much prefer them, in both the comfort and sound factors. In terms of detail I think they are pretty much even, but the sparkly highs of the L2 just brings out that extra clarity and makes them a much more fun headphone. In comparison I find the Momentum much the duller headphone. I think the Momentum may have slightly more bass, but again it's not night and day.

 

L2 vs HD25 Aluminium

Now this is a tough one. I love my HD25's. They are my go to headphones if I want some serious toe tapping and air guitar action. I love their bass and highs and think they must be the most fun sounding headphone I have ever owned. So how does the L2 compare? Well the HD25 has a more bass for sure, I think they both have a similar characteristic in that they are both very engaging headphones, but the L2 is slightly the more detailed of the two. Which do I prefer, well right now it would still be the HD25, but I really need more time with the L2 to give it a fair comparison.

 

Other headphones I own are the Denon D5000 and the L2 can't quite match up to them in terms of bass or detail, but that shouldn't be surprising. The Denon's are really for a more dedicated listening session, whilst the L2's are more fun and of course are portable. I also have the V-Moda M80 and the L2 blow them out of the water, but I am again not surprised there as the M80's are much smaller headphone, but are still one of my fav on-the-go cans.

 

I think given the price, these are a superb headphone and can easily compete with more expensive cans such as the Momentum and P7.

 

I'll report back further when I have spent more time with them.

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L2 vs Momentum (over ear)

I bought the Momentum the same time as the L1 and settled on the Momentum because I thought they were a much better headphone all round. Having said that I never really got on with the Momentum. I found the headband uncomfortable and never really enjoyed the recessed highs. I do think they are a really good headphone, but just not my cup of tea and I got bored of them pretty quick. My initial impression of the L2 compared to the Momentum is I much prefer them, in both the comfort and sound factors. In terms of detail I think they are pretty much even, but the sparkly highs of the L2 just brings out that extra clarity and makes them a much more fun headphone. In comparison I find the Momentum much the duller headphone. I think the Momentum may have slightly more bass, but again it's not night and day.

 

L2 vs HD25 Aluminium

Now this is a tough one. I love my HD25's. They are my go to headphones if I want some serious toe tapping and air guitar action. I love their bass and highs and think they must be the most fun sounding headphone I have ever owned. So how does the L2 compare? Well the HD25 has a more bass for sure, I think they both have a similar characteristic in that they are both very engaging headphones, but the L2 is slightly the more detailed of the two. Which do I prefer, well right now it would still be the HD25, but I really need more time with the L2 to give it a fair comparison.

 

Other headphones I own are the Denon D5000 and the L2 can't quite match up to them in terms of bass or detail, but that shouldn't be surprising. The Denon's are really for a more dedicated listening session, whilst the L2's are more fun and of course are portable. I also have the V-Moda M80 and the L2 blow them out of the water, but I am again not surprised there as the M80's are much smaller headphone, but are still one of my fav on-the-go cans.

 

I think given the price, these are a superb headphone and can easily compete with more expensive cans such as the Momentum and P7.

 

I'll report back further when I have spent more time with them.

 

I loved my Momentum over ears but eventually traded them for a FAD Heaven VI. The L2 imo is wider and deeper, also with greater height. Bass is much tighter on the L2 but with less body. The Momentums have a loose and warm bass hump allowing a very velvety midrange but lacking in clarity relative to the L2. Surprisingly, the L2 is just as smooth albeit thinner and clearer (but still with slight warmth) with more evident detail. 

 

The L2 vs the Alu is no contest in overall resolution and musicality in most genres. I do appreciate the darker mids and strong bass hence me keeping them. They offer a greater contrast to music with the L2 compared to the Momentum and L2. That and they isolate very well. 

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I loved my Momentum over ears but eventually traded them for a FAD Heaven VI. The L2 imo is wider and deeper, also with greater height. Bass is much tighter on the L2 but with less body. The Momentums have a loose and warm bass hump allowing a very velvety midrange but lacking in clarity relative to the L2. Surprisingly, the L2 is just as smooth albeit thinner and clearer (but still with slight warmth) with more evident detail. 

 

The L2 vs the Alu is no contest in overall resolution and musicality in most genres. I do appreciate the darker mids and strong bass hence me keeping them. They offer a greater contrast to music with the L2 compared to the Momentum and L2. That and they isolate very well. 

 

You put that all so much better than me mate :)

 

One thing I am finding with the L2 is there is a bit of pain on the top of my head from the headband, have you experienced that at all? I actually had a similar problem with the Momentum, maybe I have an odd shaped head.

post #639 of 640
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You put that all so much better than me mate :)

 

One thing I am finding with the L2 is there is a bit of pain on the top of my head from the headband, have you experienced that at all? I actually had a similar problem with the Momentum, maybe I have an odd shaped head.

Actually I have experienced  that pain on the top of my head in the beginning and the solution I found is to push the headband just a bit forward. Strangely I don't experience this hot spot anymore, no idea why.

Great mini review by the way, I agree on your comparison with L1 and the Momentum.

post #640 of 640
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You put that all so much better than me mate :)

 

One thing I am finding with the L2 is there is a bit of pain on the top of my head from the headband, have you experienced that at all? I actually had a similar problem with the Momentum, maybe I have an odd shaped head.

 

You flatter me HAHA but no I don't think I put it better than you did as you did it quite well. To your question, I've never experienced any comfort issues with the L2. It's actually perfect for someone of my stature and head and ear shape. The Momentum would cause my ears to sweat after long periods and the HD25 Alu caused strain and a slight sting to my ears but only noticeable after I've had taken them off after a long period of time.

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