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post #526 of 645
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

For gaming, I can definitely recommend it for its imaging but in all honesty, there are more open sounding headphones at cheaper prices if you want to use them solely for gaming. I actually quite enjoy Hip-Hop on these but this is purely dependent on how much bass you want. The L2s are more on fast, tight, and punchy bass as opposed to heavy and deep bass. Also, they're quite revealing of recording quality… they aren't particularly forgiving for some tracks as the soundstage would be all over the place (and not in a good way). I'm currently listening to Illmatic XX and the delivery and quality is just stellar. 

 

Overall, if you're mainly into Hip-hop and gaming… I'd advise the Fidelio X1 over the L2s. Wider soundstage but less deep, huge but still quality bass for an open back

Yeah, I bought the Fidelio X1 and returned them, because the fit was really weird on my head, which made the imaging on the left driver very annoying. And whatever I did, I couldn't get them to sit right, so that's why I had to return them.

 

I'm looking for a realistic sounding headphone with a lot of clarity, non-recessed mids, enough bass for rap/hiphop music and good soundstage/imaging for gaming.

post #527 of 645
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Originally Posted by dakanao View Post
 

Yeah, I bought the Fidelio X1 and returned them, because the fit was really weird on my head, which made the imaging on the left driver very annoying. And whatever I did, I couldn't get them to sit right, so that's why I had to return them.

 

I'm looking for a realistic sounding headphone with a lot of clarity, non-recessed mids, enough bass for rap/hiphop music and good soundstage/imaging for gaming.

 

The L2s are all that for me (the bass part will really vary from person to person). However, the lower mids lacks a little heft hence my use of CL Duet amplifier. If you do get these, let them loosen up, get the best fit and I'd even suggest building a system around them. I sure am planning to.

post #528 of 645
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

The L2s are all that for me (the bass part will really vary from person to person). However, the lower mids lacks a little heft hence my use of CL Duet amplifier. If you do get these, let them loosen up, get the best fit and I'd even suggest building a system around them. I sure am planning to.

How do they compare to the X1 in terms of sound signature and bass quantity/quality? And what do you mean by building a system around them?

post #529 of 645
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Originally Posted by dakanao View Post
 

How do they compare to the X1 in terms of sound signature and bass quantity/quality? And what do you mean by building a system around them?

 

L2s have more forward treble, less bass quantity but better quality, mids have more of a bloom on them. Building a system around them meaning basically getting better gear to force the most out of the L2 and to lessen their flaws in line with my preferences. The L2s really have a lot of potential

post #530 of 645
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

L2s have more forward treble, less bass quantity but better quality, mids have more of a bloom on them. Building a system around them meaning basically getting better gear to force the most out of the L2 and to lessen their flaws in line with my preferences. The L2s really have a lot of potential

Less bass quantity? Alright, I'm done with them :p

post #531 of 645
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Originally Posted by dakanao View Post
 

Less bass quantity? Alright, I'm done with them :p

 

HAHAHA The X1s have a hell of a lot of bass. I really think the X1s are for you… It's a shame regarding the fit though.

post #532 of 645
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HAHAHA The X1s have a hell of a lot of bass. I really think the X1s are for you… It's a shame regarding the fit though.

Yeah, the X1s were for me indeed if it wasn't for the fit...

 

I actually think the bass of the X1 was more situational. 

 

For instance: With my JVC HA-S400, the bass is always very present, and the quantity is always around the same.

 

As with the X1 they can get bass light on some tracks, and others they can have even more quantity than the JVC's, and on others inbetween.

post #533 of 645

Just received the L2s. They are quite detailled heaphones. They are also very beautiful. However, I am feeling a bit aggressed  by the very crisp higher part of the spectrum of these headphones (using in straight out of my computer ). I am used to very smooth trebles like on my W4r.

 

Do you think this will get better after burn in ? I am planning on pairing it with the DX90, is that a good idea for its sound signature ? Will the bass bass also get tighter ? 

 

 

Thanks for advices

post #534 of 645
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Originally Posted by mrlawrence74 View Post

Just received the L2s. They are quite detailled heaphones. They are also very beautiful. However, I am feeling a bit aggressed  by the very crisp higher part of the spectrum of these headphones (using in straight out of my computer ). I am used to very smooth trebles like on my W4r.

Do you think this will get better after burn in ? I am planning on pairing it with the DX90, is that a good idea for its sound signature ? Will the bass bass also get tighter ? 


Thanks for advices

Bass should get slightly tighter, both midrange and bass a little more forward. Highs should smoothen a little/more controlled treble. Overall, these changes aren't drastic but very much appreciable due to less fartigue over time. Also, adjust the fit!! The L2 should not be too tight or suspended on your head. Adjust them to be slightly loose!!

Congrats on your new headphones!! They really are a gem. I'm still looking for a tube amp to try them with. (They scale quite a lot with better gear). I really can't help you regarding the DX90
post #535 of 645
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Originally Posted by mrlawrence74 View Post

Just received the L2s. They are quite detailled heaphones. They are also very beautiful. However, I am feeling a bit aggressed  by the very crisp higher part of the spectrum of these headphones (using in straight out of my computer ). I am used to very smooth trebles like on my W4r.

Do you think this will get better after burn in ? I am planning on pairing it with the DX90, is that a good idea for its sound signature ? Will the bass bass also get tighter ? 


Thanks for advices
The DX90 and L2 pairing is a great idea! Just ask Dsnuts.
post #536 of 645

I've been using my l2 for months, i wanted something more and bought a Hifiman He-500. I'm a bit disapointed because the L2 is so good that even the big boyz doesn't make your feel it's a big upgrade. It's of course better in every way but...not SO much. 

post #537 of 645
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Originally Posted by Drrizzt View Post

I've been using my l2 for months, i wanted something more and bought a Hifiman He-500. I'm a bit disapointed because the L2 is so good that even the big boyz doesn't make your feel it's a big upgrade. It's of course better in every way but...not SO much. 

The one thing I could never see the HE-500 being better is soundstage depth and center image. I guess you could say they're more intimate but the HE-500's wide soundstage would contradict that. The only way to put it is that the L2 has better projection and more of the holographic soundstage. Also, I found the L2 to be less forgiving and more rewarding of source mastering/quality.

However, the reason I didn't pick up the HE-500 was really the weight and comfort issue. I'm planning on getting a HE-560 which is said to have fixed the soundstage depth issue so it's truly be a complete upgrade (that and it's said to be much lighter/more comfortable).
post #538 of 645

I've been struggling to understand what sounstage depth is for months...without success, i still don't get it.

 

 

The holographic soundstage that you mention about the L2 doesn't seem to be better in my ears, if we speak about air, instrument placement and clarity of each every of them, well, the L2 to my ears can't just compete. There is a fluitity and thickness in the sound that is very enjoyable. Detail retreivail is also better, its less aggressive in the high. There is more room for everything, it never get congested. Nevetheless its not very obvious like i said to my ears, you have to pay attention to the music in order to notice all these technical upgrades that bring a big boy like the he 500. Maybe all of this will become more evident with a better dac to go with the Project Sunrise i own.

 

I guess that once we reach a certain point of refinement, the differences requires you to concentrate moreon the technical part of it in order to notice the upgrade.

post #539 of 645

Lower mids seems to be very lacking on the L2 when a/b, as for the bass...wow. Actually when swapping to one from another it's more obvious than i first thought haha.


Edited by Drrizzt - 7/30/14 at 8:26am
post #540 of 645
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Originally Posted by Drrizzt View Post
 

Lower mids seems to be very lacking on the L2 when a/b, as for the bass...wow. Actually when swapping to one from another it's more obvious than i first thought haha.

 

I agree on the lower mids, bass lacking body and more aggressive highs when compared to the HE-500. The bass is pretty deep on the L2 but the recession on the lower midrange is what gives that hollow sound. When I mean a more holographic image I mean a sound that's more in front of you and less around you. When I heard the HE-500 it sounded huge, wide, and airy left and right but it sincerely felt lacking in forward displacement of the sound. I don't know how your other gear sound but I specifically got my Duet for the midbass to lower midrange hump. Adds a lot of texture and body as compared to the L2 out of an iPhone. 

 

Enjoy your HE-500!! I can't wait for an upgrade as well

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