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post #391 of 903
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post
 

I don't know why this is not in the U.S.  

 

It took Philips a while to bring over the X1, so it's not surprising to see them withhold the L2. But with how this baby sounds, I'm sure it'll sell well when it launches here this summer.

post #392 of 903
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

What time of music do you listen to and do you know your preferred sound signature? 

My taste in music is very, very mixed. I enjoy listening to some Iron Maiden albums and other types of heavy metal but I also enjoy calm music such as Alexi Murdoch or First Aid Kit (a swedish band, sort of indie pop). I like Avicii as well and therefor need a little of bass to enjoy it to a maximum. Now and then I listen to instrumental music such as the Lord of the rings soundtrack and therefor I'd prefer if the headphones could bring forth every piece of instrument as good as possible. But as I stated in my previous post I watch a lot of films and it's important the the headphones do well in that manner. I understand that there are no headphones that can master all these genres and purposes and therefor a good quality all-around headset with some good bas would be ideal. 

 

Not really familiar with the sound signature-expression and I can't give a good answer to that.

 

Thanks for your reply!

post #393 of 903
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post
 

I don't know why this is not in the U.S.  

 

I think they were initially meant to be available in US and Canada in February but then the release date inexplicably pushed back to June/July.  I remember reading that Funai retained North American distribution rights of Philips audio products despite the botched asset sale from Philips to Funai last year.  Maybe Funai is bitter and not putting much effort on getting new Philips products into the US.

post #394 of 903
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Thanks for the impressions!! I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice depth for better mids. Both aspects matter a lot… hmm. Actually, I don't take the mids as grainy. I see it as a different kind of revealing. I think of it as the L2 showing the flaws in extra digitized sound. 

 

I agree about the fit. Positioning the L2 lower on the head thus better aligning them to my ears and creating a snugger fit with my head made a slightly stronger bass response and a less forward treble.

 

I'm actually having a hard time finding an aspect to upgrade in my current rig. Any suggestions?

 

Well I would say you will have to spend a considerable amount of money to make a significant improvement....

 

Guess You could look at valve amplification , but its not gonna be cheap, and if it were just different rather than better.... well that would be personal preference at the end if the day..

 

Other option is some seriously expensive headphones.... but then is there much better than what you already have in the portable area ?   plenty of armchair ones.....to choose...

 

I often think buying the "music" has to come in somewhere.... after all.... that's what we get this stuff for.... to enjoy music...

 

I am quite keen to hear something like the LCD2's to see how much better can be had for about £1000..... and if it would worth it without serious amplification purchases.....

 

My Naim 3.5  Hicaps, Headline and  L2's  sounds nice..... to improve much on it will break my piggy bank.....

 

If I compare it with the PC and the Microstreamer and the L2's     there isnt  £4000 of difference thats for sure....

 

My Valve amp sounds better than the Microstreamer.... but then the difference is closer again.... and the Amp and Dac was pushing £700 with mods...

 

it is fun trying new stuff tho :)

post #395 of 903

Been playing with the M1BT in comparison with the L2 today, real eye opener this little headphone when its off bluetooth and back on cable attached to the Microsteamer....warm, detailed, perhaps a little recessed to much in the treble with stock cable......

 

So thought lets see what it makes of the Silver Cable..... oh my god !!!  what a difference..... The quality just jumps up ..... it actually took me quite by surprise how much better these M1BT's sound with a good cable......

 

They are weighty , fast, detailed, maybe a tad to bass heavy for me.... but I can imagine a lot of folk will love the bass on these..

They never get offensive with badly recorded stuff always leaning on the safe side....

 

The sound stage is not as wide or deep as the L2 but its still very presentable.... and very little leakage...

 

comfy too.... but then I knew that was the case as these are my traveling Cans. could wear these puppy's all day..... work very well with a good phone....

 

I think Vocals are a tad better than the L2  !!!

 

however instrument placement, dynamics, depth are not up to the L2 with the same Cable.....and they seem a little slower, don't have that PRAT the L2's have.... still very pleasant to listen to tho.....

 

The L2's are still the best I have heard so far at home....   really need some Audezes to see what the best sounds like .....

 

Got Emma Hewitts " Burn the sky down " on now .....  :)   very  nice.............  that deep bass sure kicks.......

post #396 of 903
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Originally Posted by Matheew View Post
 

My taste in music is very, very mixed. I enjoy listening to some Iron Maiden albums and other types of heavy metal but I also enjoy calm music such as Alexi Murdoch or First Aid Kit (a swedish band, sort of indie pop). I like Avicii as well and therefor need a little of bass to enjoy it to a maximum. Now and then I listen to instrumental music such as the Lord of the rings soundtrack and therefor I'd prefer if the headphones could bring forth every piece of instrument as good as possible. But as I stated in my previous post I watch a lot of films and it's important the the headphones do well in that manner. I understand that there are no headphones that can master all these genres and purposes and therefor a good quality all-around headset with some good bas would be ideal. 

 

Not really familiar with the sound signature-expression and I can't give a good answer to that.

 

Thanks for your reply!

 

The L2 is a very good all-rounders and they flatter at least decently produced songs. The bass isn't the strongest bass and I'd best characterized it as tight, punchy bass. It's not bass anemic, just slightly above neutral. Having a slight v-shaped frequency response, it does bring the instruments a little forward and pushes the vocals a little back for a better depth and center presence. However, I'm unfamiliar with heavy metal and from what I've read about the genre, the L2 might be too treble energetic for the genre.

 

I'm unsure of the exact sound of the X1 but from hearing the HD650 and what I've heard of the former, their bass will be much heavier over the L2, the HD650 featuring a thicker and warmer midrange. The tradeoff with the HD650 is a rolled-off treble response. 

post #397 of 903
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Originally Posted by s0ckpupp3t View Post
 

 

I think they were initially meant to be available in US and Canada in February but then the release date inexplicably pushed back to June/July.  I remember reading that Funai retained North American distribution rights of Philips audio products despite the botched asset sale from Philips to Funai last year.  Maybe Funai is bitter and not putting much effort on getting new Philips products into the US.

 

I did send a message to Philips Sound asking about the US release and they simply said they are not available and do not have information on a release date at this time.

post #398 of 903
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Originally Posted by Jonfairway View Post
 

 

Well I would say you will have to spend a considerable amount of money to make a significant improvement....

 

Guess You could look at valve amplification , but its not gonna be cheap, and if it were just different rather than better.... well that would be personal preference at the end if the day..

 

Other option is some seriously expensive headphones.... but then is there much better than what you already have in the portable area ?   plenty of armchair ones.....to choose...

 

I often think buying the "music" has to come in somewhere.... after all.... that's what we get this stuff for.... to enjoy music...

 

I am quite keen to hear something like the LCD2's to see how much better can be had for about £1000..... and if it would worth it without serious amplification purchases.....

 

My Naim 3.5  Hicaps, Headline and  L2's  sounds nice..... to improve much on it will break my piggy bank.....

 

If I compare it with the PC and the Microstreamer and the L2's     there isnt  £4000 of difference thats for sure....

 

My Valve amp sounds better than the Microstreamer.... but then the difference is closer again.... and the Amp and Dac was pushing £700 with mods...

 

it is fun trying new stuff tho :)

 

I have the fear that by the time I've made a significant improvement with the L2, the costs would have already been such that I just should've gotten a surely better headphone. My concern with the current flagship headphones are the fact that can't be lugged around for their weight and size. I'm more of a portable audio fan but I can't justify spending exorbitant amounts on IEMs when there are better headphones at similar prices.

 

I agree about what you said about the nature of the hobby. People seem to forget that this is all for the get the most out of the music we love. Then we buy these extra-revealing headphones our music can't survive in. I've heard of people who ended up changing a preference in genre because of this… though it can be argued whether this would be positive or not. 

post #399 of 903
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

The L2 is a very good all-rounders and they flatter at least decently produced songs. The bass isn't the strongest bass and I'd best characterized it as tight, punchy bass. It's not bass anemic, just slightly above neutral. Having a slight v-shaped frequency response, it does bring the instruments a little forward and pushes the vocals a little back for a better depth and center presence. However, I'm unfamiliar with heavy metal and from what I've read about the genre, the L2 might be too treble energetic for the genre.

 

I'm unsure of the exact sound of the X1 but from hearing the HD650 and what I've heard of the former, their bass will be much heavier over the L2, the HD650 featuring a thicker and warmer midrange. The tradeoff with the HD650 is a rolled-off treble response. 

 

The mid bass to mid range transition (that downward slope) is my only real gripe with the L2. The treble doesn't really bother me all that much (not nearly as bad as say a stock HE-400, DT 990, or K7xx).

 

I've heard the X1 and the measurements also agree that yes, the X1 is a bit more boomy in the bass region (you can see the slow decay on the CSD plots a couple of pages back).

 

@Jonfairway: Depending on what you're looking for sound wise, the Audeze range may or may not impress you that much. The entire Audeze lineup (I haven’t heard the XC yet but may look into getting one in the near future) is very neutral sounding, tilting towards the dark side of things (not so much the LCD-X). If you like a fun bass response and energetic treble then I would look elsewhere.

 

 

Finally a bit off topic. Is there anyway to move this into the main equipment forum? I feel like there would be much more discussion there as opposed to here.

post #400 of 903
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Originally Posted by Matheew View Post
 

My taste in music is very, very mixed. I enjoy listening to some Iron Maiden albums and other types of heavy metal but I also enjoy calm music such as Alexi Murdoch or First Aid Kit (a swedish band, sort of indie pop). I like Avicii as well and therefor need a little of bass to enjoy it to a maximum. Now and then I listen to instrumental music such as the Lord of the rings soundtrack and therefor I'd prefer if the headphones could bring forth every piece of instrument as good as possible. But as I stated in my previous post I watch a lot of films and it's important the the headphones do well in that manner. I understand that there are no headphones that can master all these genres and purposes and therefor a good quality all-around headset with some good bas would be ideal. 

 

Not really familiar with the sound signature-expression and I can't give a good answer to that.

 

Thanks for your reply!

 

My K550's have been pretty versatile so far, but they always feel closed in. I predict you will have a more versatile sound with an open design earcup. I've used the K550's for gaming, music (Metal to Folk to Hip-Hop to Pop) and movies, and so far I'm pretty happy. I've EQ'ed a little more mid-bass and a slight bump in the midrange for heavier styles. I prefer them now.

post #401 of 903
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@Jonfairway: Depending on what you're looking for sound wise, the Audeze range may or may not impress you that much. The entire Audeze lineup (I haven’t heard the XC yet but may look into getting one in the near future) is very neutral sounding, tilting towards the dark side of things (not so much the LCD-X). If you like a fun bass response and energetic treble then I would look elsewhere.

 

 

Yes I like a fun pacy sound, guess thats from my preference for Naim HiFi for a long time... The overall cohesion of the presentation in a foot tapping way... you know getting into the music.... lost in it if you  like... forgetting the outside world....

 

so the L2's are certainly part way there... and I guess will improve as I get better matching to go with them...

 

I have ordered a pair of Sennheiser Hd25-1's  so will be interesting how they compare when they arrive with me....

 

Number 20 on my headphone collection....

 

 

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My K550's have been pretty versatile so far, but they always feel closed in. I predict you will have a more versatile sound with an open design earcup. I've used the K550's for gaming, music (Metal to Folk to Hip-Hop to Pop) and movies, and so far I'm pretty happy. I've EQ'ed a little more mid-bass and a slight bump in the midrange for heavier styles. I prefer them now.

 

I totally agree they do feel a little closed in by comparison to the L2 but the bass can be tweaked a little to improve balance...

They are a very good headphone... not got the fun of the L2  but still very cool.....comfy too :)

 

There is a tendency to add a sort of echo in the upper regions in quiet pieces of music that I have noticed....  a strange reverb sort of..

 

Thats why I think they are a good fit with Rock music....

 

Still Beautiful vocal presence on them and seperation....

 

wonderful value at a scrape over £100  !!!!!

post #402 of 903
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Finally a bit off topic. Is there anyway to move this into the main equipment forum? I feel like there would be much more discussion there as opposed to here.

 

Yes fine suggestion

 

the more the merrier

 

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post #403 of 903

the Hd25-1's have arrived.... now some serious listening in order to see how they compare to the L2's

 

Got em off ebay for £50  .... like brand new !!!  just missing the spare pads..... but can always get some of those...

 

first impressions

 

fast, punchy, detailed, good timing, a little lacking in sub bass, and the sound stage is smaller.... but then it would be after compared to a semi open headphone.... nice mids and trebe, good vocals....

 

should be interesting this one.....

 

 

I do have a question tho.... there is a version of the 25's called the amperior, can this standard version be upgraded to the amperior by changing the PODs ? 

 

right off to listen to some music and see what if anything is new

post #404 of 903

The Amperior has aluminium cups, plus maybe a few other tweaks, as well as the different headband and ear pad matieral. I think that's the biggest difference. It's been replaced by the HD-25 Aluminium Edition. A lot of people prefer the Amperior because it's quite easy to power, feels more comfortable and looks nicer.

post #405 of 903

Well thats a few albums worth of listening completed and the results are very interesting as I thought they would...

 

The HD25-1 is a lively son of bitch.... it can grate occasionally with the wrong recording but boy it is revealing...

 

To compare the two is quite tricky because they sound so different...

 

Lets start with what both do well....

 

They both have a knack at timing, the PRAT is good on both, the HD 25-1 being the quicker of the two.

They both have a musical ability to draw one into the music, to become involved...

They are both comfy yet they fit differently...

They are both capable of playing very loud without any distortion... to a point that it could be deemed dangerous

They are both very easy to drive and seem to improve as the amplification and sources improve...

 

Okay

 

The L2 has a bigger sound stage, more depth, and better instrument placement, and stereo Image.

The L2 has a better all round bass and sub bass and as a consequence a warmer presentation.

The L2 resolves detail in a very professional way and sounds more refined.

 

 

The Hd25-1 has crystal clear mids and a very revealing treble...

The Hd25-1 has virtually no leaking of sound..

The Hd25-1 feels very personal and involving and keeps external sounds out..

 

 

Its hard to believe how good the Hd25-1 is considering its age.....

 

Okay a few thoughts

 

If the strong points of the HD25-1 and the L2 were put together in a Can the result would be awesome !!!

 

The Hd25-1 is so natural sounding almost to a clinical point I can imagine it wouldn't be for everyone....The L2 sounds colored in comparison but in a nice way I must add....

 

Which do I prefer ???

 

hard one that...

 

I spent 4 hours last night with the Hd25 glued to my head listening to music I hadn't heard for a few years and enjoyed every minute...its fast fun and furious, and I can appreciate its ruthless clinical presentation very much...

 

The L2's are classy, big, and involving and still present all the music with no detail missing....

 

Gonna enjoy em both

 

LOL


Edited by Jonfairway - 4/8/14 at 12:21pm
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