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post #376 of 903
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Originally Posted by Jonfairway View Post
 

Back again ...

 

Been playing with the setup for a couple of days to see what the L2's are really capable of....

got a top notch silver cable made up, boy did that make a difference !  an already clean and clear headphone stepped another notch up the ladder, old cable is back in the box now...

 

Still wanted to see if these could sound better still, so stole some stuff of my main room Hi-fi system.

 

its now connected via a Modified DAC-AH which has a sound signature as dark as can be and being driven by the Pre-Amp section of my Ming DA   MC-34 Tube Amplifier.....

 

Oh my.... can these step up a notch or two when asked...

 

Thro this setup they are powerful, detailed, and the image very well, awesome with rock music, but I think the valve amp is helping somewhat there...

 

I could perhaps say they may be over warm sounding, but boy do they boogie.....

 

the  £3000  Naim Hifi can't make a bass guitar sound like it does with the L2....

 

With the silver cable are the mids more forward? Will the cable add more treble to the L2? I find the treble almost too forward for my tastes and the mids almost perfect but still lacking in pronunciation and thus seems a little veiled. Relative to other my headphones, this "veiled" is actually pretty clear. I'm looking for ways to make the most of my L2, either adding a good aftermarket cable (not sure what material… never recabled) or making the headphone balanced. Have you tried a high quality copper cable? 

 

Thanks!!

post #377 of 903

The L2 cable really needs to be put through an ohmmeter to check that this is the culprit. If it is, then any low resistance cable should be an improvement.

post #378 of 903
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With the silver cable are the mids more forward? Will the cable add more treble to the L2? I find the treble almost too forward for my tastes and the mids almost perfect but still lacking in pronunciation and thus seems a little veiled. Relative to other my headphones, this "veiled" is actually pretty clear. I'm looking for ways to make the most of my L2, either adding a good aftermarket cable (not sure what material… never recabled) or making the headphone balanced. Have you tried a high quality copper cable? 

 

Thanks!!

 

Swings and Roundabouts

 

The new Silver cable certainly brought the mids more forward, that veiled, recessed quality of the stock cable removed... it makes the phones less happy about bad recordings as a consequence... they become more revealing, faster, but the depth ( which i think is part of the recessed mids becomes more in line with other phones ) Better ????  well different for sure...

 

There is more immediacy about the presentation on the silver cable, more FUN... more powerful sounding...

 

Its still a warm sound, but i wouldn't say it was less even keeled across the spectrum.... it is still a balanced overall presentation...

 

I still wish the vocal reproduction on the L2 was as good as the K550, it has a slightly grainy feel to it, this is great on good recordings, but emphasises badly recorded vocals tracks....

 

 

I did try a copper cable, well three in fact....

 

Didnt get the same benefits as the silver one, they did harden the presentation a little... the soft mids became for want of a better way of saying it Louder.... it wasn't preferable to the stock.... well at least the ones i tried..... They weren't expensive ones mind..

 

making sure of a good seal ensures the balance is sweet... these are well behaved Cans and don't really have a leaning anyway..... very slightly V shaped which can be flattened with EQ if needed very easily.... I quite like the slight V

 

In fact if anything i have EQ'd the bass a tad for some recordings to err more on the warm side...

 

The strong point of this heaphone for me is Timing its PRAT....  it makes music entertaining...

 

The old HD480ii's sound dull and slow in comparison.....

 

Given that it also is very efficient and clamps the head well for on the move as well, makes it a very versatile Can... that does not sound bad even with an old Samsung Galaxy S2 phone.....

 

I am sure better Cans be had..... but for this amount of money ????    hard to beat for the cash....

post #379 of 903

I was all set to snag these last year when all the positive reviews started coming in. Thanks to the long wait I've saved up and I'm giving up on the L2's and going with the HE-500s instead. With this decision I'm sure that Philips will release them in the US as soon as I get my Hifiman's..

post #380 of 903
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Originally Posted by sealykojac View Post
 

I was all set to snag these last year when all the positive reviews started coming in. Thanks to the long wait I've saved up and I'm giving up on the L2's and going with the HE-500s instead. With this decision I'm sure that Philips will release them in the US as soon as I get my Hifiman's..

Hope you got a nice amp to power those HE-500s!

post #381 of 903
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Hope you got a nice amp to power those HE-500s!

 

I've got a Maverick Audio TubeMagic A1 which should be up to the task.

post #382 of 903
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 I was all set to snag these last year when all the positive reviews started coming in. Thanks to the long wait I've saved up and I'm giving up on the L2's and going with the HE-500s instead. With this decision I'm sure that Philips will release them in the US as soon as I get my Hifiman's..

 

 

OOOO very different beasts the HE-500s from the L2's...

 

wouldn't fancy a trip on public transport with a set of HE-500's on my head....

 

 

What ya got at home ready to drive them ?

post #383 of 903

Maverick Audio TubeMagic A1

 

Looks very nice :)

post #384 of 903
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Originally Posted by Jonfairway View Post
 

 

 

OOOO very different beasts the HE-500s from the L2's...

 

wouldn't fancy a trip on public transport with a set of HE-500's on my head....

 

 

What ya got at home ready to drive them ?


To be driven by a Maverick Audio TubeMagic A1 and used exclusively at home. 

post #385 of 903

Got the DAC as well ?

 

:)

post #386 of 903

I used to own the maverick dac and it was really nice. Currently just using a high end pc sound card hooked into the A1 and waiting to swap in a Geek dac whenever that finally ships.

post #387 of 903

Since my Shure 940's cracked the other day I'm looking for a new pair of headphones to pair with my Audinst HUD-MX1 and I'm seriously considering the Fideliio L2. The SQ with the 940's was amazing but I felt the bass was lacking a bit, something these guys should make up for. I'll be using them to listen to various of music genres and watching alot of films. Anyone been using these headphones for similar purposes? 

 

Since the L2's are pretty new there aren't too many reviews out there but M3 (Swedish techpaper, liked on page 24 i think) gave them 10/10 compared to X1 that got 8/10. What do you guys think? Should I go with these? The other options are the X1 or the HD650 (then I will be getting a separate amp as well, starting to get a bit expensive then tough...)

post #388 of 903
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Originally Posted by Jonfairway View Post
 

 

Swings and Roundabouts

 

The new Silver cable certainly brought the mids more forward, that veiled, recessed quality of the stock cable removed... it makes the phones less happy about bad recordings as a consequence... they become more revealing, faster, but the depth ( which i think is part of the recessed mids becomes more in line with other phones ) Better ????  well different for sure...

 

There is more immediacy about the presentation on the silver cable, more FUN... more powerful sounding...

 

Its still a warm sound, but i wouldn't say it was less even keeled across the spectrum.... it is still a balanced overall presentation...

 

I still wish the vocal reproduction on the L2 was as good as the K550, it has a slightly grainy feel to it, this is great on good recordings, but emphasises badly recorded vocals tracks....

 

 

I did try a copper cable, well three in fact....

 

Didnt get the same benefits as the silver one, they did harden the presentation a little... the soft mids became for want of a better way of saying it Louder.... it wasn't preferable to the stock.... well at least the ones i tried..... They weren't expensive ones mind..

 

making sure of a good seal ensures the balance is sweet... these are well behaved Cans and don't really have a leaning anyway..... very slightly V shaped which can be flattened with EQ if needed very easily.... I quite like the slight V

 

In fact if anything i have EQ'd the bass a tad for some recordings to err more on the warm side...

 

The strong point of this heaphone for me is Timing its PRAT....  it makes music entertaining...

 

The old HD480ii's sound dull and slow in comparison.....

 

Given that it also is very efficient and clamps the head well for on the move as well, makes it a very versatile Can... that does not sound bad even with an old Samsung Galaxy S2 phone.....

 

I am sure better Cans be had..... but for this amount of money ????    hard to beat for the cash....

 

Thanks for the impressions!! I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice depth for better mids. Both aspects matter a lot… hmm. Actually, I don't take the mids as grainy. I see it as a different kind of revealing. I think of it as the L2 showing the flaws in extra digitized sound. 

 

I agree about the fit. Positioning the L2 lower on the head thus better aligning them to my ears and creating a snugger fit with my head made a slightly stronger bass response and a less forward treble.

 

I'm actually having a hard time finding an aspect to upgrade in my current rig. Any suggestions? 

post #389 of 903
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Originally Posted by Matheew View Post
 

Since my Shure 940's cracked the other day I'm looking for a new pair of headphones to pair with my Audinst HUD-MX1 and I'm seriously considering the Fideliio L2. The SQ with the 940's was amazing but I felt the bass was lacking a bit, something these guys should make up for. I'll be using them to listen to various of music genres and watching alot of films. Anyone been using these headphones for similar purposes? 

 

Since the L2's are pretty new there aren't too many reviews out there but M3 (Swedish techpaper, liked on page 24 i think) gave them 10/10 compared to X1 that got 8/10. What do you guys think? Should I go with these? The other options are the X1 or the HD650 (then I will be getting a separate amp as well, starting to get a bit expensive then tough...)

 

What time of music do you listen to and do you know your preferred sound signature? 

post #390 of 903

I don't know why this is not in the U.S.  

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