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post #226 of 608
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Head1, thanks for the comments.

 

When I said in the past I meant it, nearly twenty years ago so its not relevant now.   I was not looking for a dedicated classical music headphone, as that's only about thirty percent of my listening, or something so large which is always used hooked up to a music system or TV, but something potentially portable with a budget under 200 sterling.   The L2, which in my opinion is a compromise, fits the bill.   In the last few weeks I tested several headphones, both in high street shops which is not ideal but gives some idea, and from online store and only one other came close in quality and comfort, Sennheiser 558.   Although a little large it had a lovely neutral open sound which is ideal for classical, but alas I must be one of the few people who had discomfort after a few days so returned them.   I would definitely audition the L2 and also Philips X1 which has great reviews but is not as portable, or perhaps if you can wait, the X2 which I suspect will be released sometime this year.   I presume you've asked on the recommendations forum as there are far more knowledgeable people around nowadays.

 

I was though, having another listen to a classical CD through my Onkyo amp last night, just one.   Five hours later I was lost in the music and had to drag myself away, they are that good, although I have now made a two dB reduction in the bass, Beethoven's 5th was just too much.   Probably wouldn't have had to do that with the Sennheisers but I now just prefer the L2's overall sound.   I not sure what it is, the warm, the emotion, and I threw everything at it, choral, opera and every type of instrument.   What can I tell you, they suit me, they're just magic.

 

I don't think there has been a headphone designed specifically for classical but the Beyer DT880 & Sennheiser HD600 are frequently recommended. Not so long ago they were around £175 and then for no apparent reason the price went up. So I have been looking at the newer headphones with comparable SQ and the L2 are definitely on my list. From your description and opinions of others it seems like a headphone that I could just enjoy the music and not analyse the technical aspects of the sound. As for the X1, the impression I get is a v shaped sound signature with much more bass than the L2 or L1 for that matter. It seems more suited to electoronic, dance, even gaming from what I've been reading. I'm not sure who Philips were targetting with their flagship model so yes, it will be interesting to see what direction the X2 will go in.

post #227 of 608

I agree there are not many reviews of the X1 with reference to classical music, or L2 for that matter, and I haven't tried X1 as they are too big for my needs.   Yes, they may have more bass but perhaps a wider sound stage than L2, all you can do is try them both and see if you like either.   I don't know where you're based but in the UK the site where I purchased my L2s has already increased the price by nearly 20 sterling so if you're in the UK I wouldn't hang around.   If the Sennheiser 600 are beyond budget I've heard the 598 are almost as good for almost half the price, if you can live with the colour.  

 

Other possibles from HiFi Choice headphones award 2012 were Audio-Technica ATH-A900X, Focal Spirit One and X1 in that order but its bit dated and you may have already considered them.

 

I think its all a bit of a compromise unless the budget is doubled or trebled, but in my case I couldn't justify that.   Your phrase 'seems like a headphone that I could just enjoy the music and not analyse the technical aspects of the sound' hit the nail on the head, but I've a feeling it applies to both L2 and X1.

 

I'm happy with my choice, good luck with whatever you decide.

post #228 of 608

Hi all,

 

I joined to the club of L2's owners in early January when I bought them from Amazon.de for 180 euros (around 240$). By now the price suddenly jumped to 279 euros and that made me happy twice :-)

 

I'd like to get the advice from present and former L2's owners on the appropriate DAC/AMP for Fidelio L2. My budget goes around $300 and portabilty is not my main priority (though I would appreciate the smaller size and power-supply independance of portable solutions). I mainly listen to different genres of rock, jazz, classics and electronic music. I'd like the dac/amp to have AUX, USB and toslink inputs as my sources will be iPhone and media player with optical out. 

 

Thanks in advance to all who will respond!

post #229 of 608
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Originally Posted by sergemur View Post
 

Hi all,

 

I joined to the club of L2's owners in early January when I bought them from Amazon.de for 180 euros (around 240$). By now the price suddenly jumped to 279 euros and that made me happy twice :-)

 

I'd like to get the advice from present and former L2's owners on the appropriate DAC/AMP for Fidelio L2. My budget goes around $300 and portabilty is not my main priority (though I would appreciate the smaller size and power-supply independance of portable solutions). I mainly listen to different genres of rock, jazz, classics and electronic music. I'd like the dac/amp to have AUX, USB and toslink inputs as my sources will be iPhone and media player with optical out. 

 

Thanks in advance to all who will respond!

 

I'm assuming you mean a portable DAC/amp. Honestly mate, I haven't noticed much of a difference at all when driving mine through a few of my amps (D100, Soloist, Ember, Vali, and E12) apart from the inherent sound signature differences of the amps themselves. I find that the L2 plays just fine out of my phone and FiiO X3. If I were you I would instead look at getting a better source player (X3 is pretty nice if you can live with the rather crappy UI and wonky button layout).

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.........If I were you I would instead look at getting a better source player (X3 is pretty nice if you can live with the rather crappy UI and wonky button layout).

Thank you for a speedy reply!

 

What do you think about upcoming X5? I know there are no any reviews yet, but can you assume (basing on the specs) that there will be a noticeable difference between X5 and X3 while listening them on L2?

 

Thanks again!

post #231 of 608
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Originally Posted by sergemur View Post
 

Thank you for a speedy reply!

 

What do you think about upcoming X5? I know there are no any reviews yet, but can you assume (basing on the specs) that there will be a noticeable difference between X5 and X3 while listening them on L2?

 

Thanks again!

 

The X5 is meant to be more neutral sounding (the X3 like most of FiiO's products has a slightly warm tinge to the sound) so it really depends on what you're after. Personally I will be getting an X5 purely based on the vastly improved UI and control scheme. There is a some user feedback on the X5 tour thread if you want to read more into it: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/696004/fiio-x5-preview-world-tour-first-arrivals-on-page-19-first-impressions-rolling-in

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Anyone has any info as to why it seems to have been pulled from the great forest retailer in some of the European stores ? UK and Italy do not have it if you search ( found in uk but it is out of stock with usual note that they do not have a date of when or if they get it back in stock) . Glad Ibought mine quickly as it is brilliant
post #234 of 608

Interesting!

Mine are in the UK now...so next jump is over the pond to Canada.

Glad I nabbed em from Italy for (185 Euros + shipping and duty) $285CDN shipped thanks to a member here.


Edited by Udonitron - 1/27/14 at 10:21am
post #235 of 608
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Originally Posted by vrapan View Post

Anyone has any info as to why it seems to have been pulled from the great forest retailer in some of the European stores ? UK and Italy do not have it if you search ( found in uk but it is out of stock with usual note that they do not have a date of when or if they get it back in stock) . Glad Ibought mine quickly as it is brilliant

They are still on Amazon France & Germany but at a much higher price.

 

On one of the reviews it says that cymbals can be sibilant and piano can sound slightly metallic. Is that true?

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Originally Posted by Head1 View Post
 

They are still on Amazon France & Germany but at a much higher price.

 

On one of the reviews it says that cymbals can be sibilant and piano can sound slightly metallic. Is that true?

Sounds like they either have some wax build up or received a bunk pair.

I vote for the former :D

post #238 of 608
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Originally Posted by Head1 View Post
 

They are still on Amazon France & Germany but at a much higher price.

 

On one of the reviews it says that cymbals can be sibilant and piano can sound slightly metallic. Is that true?

I would say no and no although I have only had them for a couple of weeks so not pushed a lot of music through them. (btw I just saw the .de amazon price..... I would have bulked at that tag although that is very close to what Philips is selling them in the UK on their own store.)


Edited by vrapan - 1/28/14 at 12:08pm
post #239 of 608
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Originally Posted by vrapan View Post
 

I would say no and no although I have only had them for a couple of weeks so not pushed a lot of music through them. (btw I just saw the .de amazon price..... I would have bulked at that tag although that is very close to what Philips is selling them in the UK on their own store.)

There are headphones where comments like this are absolutely true no matter what hp you compare them to like the t90. But a lot of times these results come from what other headphones they use as a benchmark. Depending on that the results vary. ie the akg k545 sounds plastic compared to my benchmark hp. But it is a very natural headphone in the grand scheme of headphones in its price range. 

post #240 of 608
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There are headphones where comments like this are absolutely true no matter what hp you compare them to like the t90. But a lot of times these results come from what other headphones they use as a benchmark. Depending on that the results vary. ie the akg k545 sounds plastic compared to my benchmark hp. But it is a very natural headphone in the grand scheme of headphones in its price range. 

Of course I will be the first to admit that my opinion is an opinion and a very subjective one at that. Also an opinion formed by having listened to only very small collection of sources/gear so I would correct my statement to 'it does not sound sibilant or metalic to me compared to a couple of mid range iems and a couple of low/mid range headphones' :) . So take whatever I say with a massive pinch of salt everyone.

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