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post #211 of 915

I wasn't actually making a comparison to my IEM, I was just stating a fact. The fact that L2's isolation isn't enough for crowdy environments, that is if you don't want to crank the volume up and in that case, you'll disturb the people around you with the leakage. 

post #212 of 915

What I want from a headphone is basically the most fundamentals of any headphones, in my case, primarily portable, but also ability to use at home.

 

1) Sound quality

2) Comfort 

3) Ergonomics 

4) Isolation 

5) Looks

6) Durability / Warranty

7) replacable parts

 

- sound quality must be the same or better than others given the price of it relative to competitors. 

- comfort for longer periods of time, for instance, Bose Ae2 is the most comfortable earphones around

- Ergonomics, weight of the product, foldability, Chord length, is it too long for portability?

- Does it isolate well? Is the isolation of good quality as some isolate very well but isn't very comfortable, e.g noise-cancelling earphones esque.

- Is the design appealing? Most importantly, will you receive weird looks from others?

- Durability ....... Warranty, at least two years should be the minimum.

- chords, leather pads, brand label hehe

post #213 of 915
lecco, this from the Philips web site, but I don't know what the exact angle is.
 
'Speakers tilted to the ear's natural angle for clarity.

A pre-tilted driver matching the ear cup's natural angle directs the sound straight into the ear canal.

This means much less of the colouration that can occur when sound reflects off the outer ear, together with a more realistic soundstage and enhanced comfort.'

 

Head1, thanks for the comments.

 

When I said in the past I meant it, nearly twenty years ago so its not relevant now.   I was not looking for a dedicated classical music headphone, as that's only about thirty percent of my listening, or something so large which is always used hooked up to a music system or TV, but something potentially portable with a budget under 200 sterling.   The L2, which in my opinion is a compromise, fits the bill.   In the last few weeks I tested several headphones, both in high street shops which is not ideal but gives some idea, and from online store and only one other came close in quality and comfort, Sennheiser 558.   Although a little large it had a lovely neutral open sound which is ideal for classical, but alas I must be one of the few people who had discomfort after a few days so returned them.   I would definitely audition the L2 and also Philips X1 which has great reviews but is not as portable, or perhaps if you can wait, the X2 which I suspect will be released sometime this year.   I presume you've asked on the recommendations forum as there are far more knowledgeable people around nowadays.

 

I was though, having another listen to a classical CD through my Onkyo amp last night, just one.   Five hours later I was lost in the music and had to drag myself away, they are that good, although I have now made a two dB reduction in the bass, Beethoven's 5th was just too much.   Probably wouldn't have had to do that with the Sennheisers but I now just prefer the L2's overall sound.   I not sure what it is, the warm, the emotion, and I threw everything at it, choral, opera and every type of instrument.   What can I tell you, they suit me, they're just magic.

post #214 of 915
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Originally Posted by chinesep1mp View Post
 

I just received these headphones.

 

They sit quite nicely on the head, though they feel kind of strange on the ears, you definately notice them and I don't think they are ergonomically perfect for my ears, kind of feels like they are sitting backwards.

 

Soundwise, they didn't impress me at first, but after my second listening and increasing the volume a bit, I am learning to enjoy it more, definately a better sonical experience against my IEM phonak audeo pfe232. The sound leakage is there as people have written, how much I don' really know and can't really compare. Sound isolation is not that great, really it isn't. It does dampen ambient noise, but very very little. They don't make your ears all that warm, though the band on the head is noticable and might(probably) will distract and "hurt" a little. 

 

Now my question is, do I return these for Sennheiser Momentum over ears or do I keep these? I really would like to hear the Momentums, but perhaps someone has an opinion on this matter?  

Sennheiser Momentum vs Philips Fidelio L2.

 

L2 hands down unless you need the isolation. Admittedly, the L2 is more fatiguing but not enough to go back to my Momentum

post #215 of 915
+1
Imho the L2 beats the Momentum not only in SQ but also in design and comfort. I like the L2 very much and consider it a vast improvement on the (medicore) L1.
post #216 of 915

What store has these in stock?

So odd they were showcased back in Sept 2013 and they are still not available!

Need to sell my Momentums as they kill my ears while wearing my glasses....8 hours on them and no way, hurts too much.

post #217 of 915
In Europe they are widely availabe, e.g at amazon (at amazon.de for €180 two weeks ago...)
post #218 of 915

http://www.amazon.de/Philips-L2BO-High-Definition-Neodym-Akustik-Design-Ger%C3%A4uschisolierung/dp/B00F4P7NG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390405758&sr=8-1&keywords=Fidelio+L2

 

279 Euros....ouch.

 

I will wait for the equivalent $299US.

From what I have read they are due to launch in NA by the end of Jan.


Edited by Udonitron - 1/22/14 at 7:53am
post #219 of 915
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinesep1mp View Post
 

What I want from a headphone is basically the most fundamentals of any headphones, in my case, primarily portable, but also ability to use at home.

 

1) Sound quality

2) Comfort 

3) Ergonomics 

4) Isolation 

5) Looks

6) Durability / Warranty

7) replacable parts

 

- sound quality must be the same or better than others given the price of it relative to competitors. 

- comfort for longer periods of time, for instance, Bose Ae2 is the most comfortable earphones around

- Ergonomics, weight of the product, foldability, Chord length, is it too long for portability?

- Does it isolate well? Is the isolation of good quality as some isolate very well but isn't very comfortable, e.g noise-cancelling earphones esque.

- Is the design appealing? Most importantly, will you receive weird looks from others?

- Durability ....... Warranty, at least two years should be the minimum.

- chords, leather pads, brand label hehe

there is no hp that meets these like the black momentum does. 

 

When I asked i meant sound signature. The other hps are beating it in sound but the rest goes to the momentum if you want all of the above.

 

so black over ear momentum it is.

 

or B&O H6

post #220 of 915
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http://www.amazon.it/gp/aw/d/B00F4P7NG0/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1390407793&sr=8-1
post #221 of 915

Nice!

Cheers mate...$282CAN shipped after taxes.:D

I hope the seller is legit but I should have Amazon and VISA protection either way.

post #222 of 915
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinesep1mp View Post
 

I wasn't actually making a comparison to my IEM, I was just stating a fact. The fact that L2's isolation isn't enough for crowdy environments, that is if you don't want to crank the volume up and in that case, you'll disturb the people around you with the leakage. 

Oh sorry, in that case, yes I agree with you apart from the part where you say "you'll disturb the people around you with the leakage".  They actually don't leak (out) that much and in a crowded enviroment where you need to crank them up, they're not going to hear  your music anyway.

 

I've heard earbuds that leak more than these. ;)

 

I live in a very crowded and busy city (Hong Kong) and I can usually use the L2 without a problem.  It all comes down to how sensitive you are to having some outside noise coming in, myself I don't mind most of the time, it's like I'm listening to music while still being able to hear the cars about to run me down etc. ;)  Though I'll agree it can sometimes get annoying when a double decker bus rumbles by or on the train which can get pretty noisy.

 

Anyway, let the buyer beware.  If you want great isolation and like listening to music at low volume levels, look elsewhere.  

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinesep1mp View Post
 

What I want from a headphone is basically the most fundamentals of any headphones, in my case, primarily portable, but also ability to use at home.

 

1) Sound quality

2) Comfort 

3) Ergonomics 

4) Isolation 

5) Looks

6) Durability / Warranty

7) replacable parts

 

- sound quality must be the same or better than others given the price of it relative to competitors. 

- comfort for longer periods of time, for instance, Bose Ae2 is the most comfortable earphones around

- Ergonomics, weight of the product, foldability, Chord length, is it too long for portability?

- Does it isolate well? Is the isolation of good quality as some isolate very well but isn't very comfortable, e.g noise-cancelling earphones esque.

- Is the design appealing? Most importantly, will you receive weird looks from others?

- Durability ....... Warranty, at least two years should be the minimum.

- chords, leather pads, brand label hehe

 

You COULD try the Vmoda M100.  It sounds very good (quite a bit more bass than the L2 though) and isolates much better than the L2.  Looks ok and is pretty durable etc.

post #223 of 915

Unfortunately I'm not much of a basshead, and I've read that they aren't that comfortable, with its clamping force and your ears get hot?

post #224 of 915

The isolation isn't good on L2, but that is actually quite comfortable for the ears and the head. But I don't know, haven't tried them on the train and bus in Sweden.

post #225 of 915

I only tried the M100 for a few minutes in the shop before choosing the L2 over them (having owned the L1 before, I knew what I was getting myself into isolation wise). I could imagine them getting uncomfortable for the reasons you said.  However Sweden is a lot colder than Hong Kong, maybe that's a good thing. :D

 

I'd suggest trying the L2 out in a real environment and see if they're ok for you.  I do agree they're not the best headphones at isolating outside noise.  But they might be enough for you in real usage. 

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