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post #151 of 635
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

^not off topic 

 

Hey so from what i read about these hp's the bass impact is what is lacking to make them sound musical. I would imagine that if I picked up a pair of these in february(they must hate AMERICANS) that I would really appreciate the clear transparent sound and soundstage but then sell them because of the lack of impact. 

 

How does the bass impact compare to a momentum and a k550. Be honest with all fanboyism aside. I also read that the treble is a bit much but if it has less treble quantity than the k550 then that is far from the truth because the k550 is not a super bright hp though it is a little bright.

 

The bass is tighter than the momentums and overall faster but the momentum has more rumble and more body but less defined. I think the K550's being thin sounding contributes to a brighter sound while the treble on the L2 is actually rather smooth with good sparkle but less forgiving of poor recordings. I guess the L2 does have the said clear, transparent sound, much clearer than my momentum at least but I think the clarity, again, contributes to sibilance. It does have better bass in impact and detail as compared to the K550. It's like the mids are warm but the treble is forward?? I'm not sure if that's the best way to describe the L2

post #152 of 635
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Originally Posted by maricius View Post
 

 

The bass is tighter than the momentums and overall faster but the momentum has more rumble and more body but less defined. I think the K550's being thin sounding contributes to a brighter sound while the treble on the L2 is actually rather smooth with good sparkle but less forgiving of poor recordings. I guess the L2 does have the said clear, transparent sound, much clearer than my momentum at least but I think the clarity, again, contributes to sibilance. It does have better bass in impact and detail as compared to the K550. It's like the mids are warm but the treble is forward?? I'm not sure if that's the best way to describe the L2

psshh :rolleyes:

 

best description so far on this thread..

 

it makes tons of sense and I get it and it lines up with what I have been researching. Its not v shaped but its shure signature kinda... where it gets strong the higher in hertz you go. so not V but / if that makes sense. the dx700 is the opposite it has \ where the bass is higher and then it goes down in strength from there. 

post #153 of 635
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

psshh :rolleyes:

 

best description so far on this thread..

 

it makes tons of sense and I get it and it lines up with what I have been researching. Its not v shaped but its shure signature kinda... where it gets strong the higher in hertz you go. so not V but / if that makes sense. the dx700 is the opposite it has \ where the bass is higher and then it goes down in strength from there. 

 

Thanks… hehe, you're too kind. 

 

The weirdest part actually was when I saw the measurements that Tyll added on his site. The bass was actually bumped up as compared to the mids and treble with extension similar to that of a closed headphone (no roll-off like a usual open-back headphone) yet while listening, the bass seems to be the least noticeable aspect.

 

Yeah, it's surely not V shaped. The mids on these are heaven.

post #154 of 635
Why do people think recessed mids=bad mids? Emphasized bass doesn't make the bass bad, its just coloration.
post #155 of 635
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Why do people think recessed mids=bad mids? Emphasized bass doesn't make the bass bad, its just coloration.

 

Maybe some people would prefer recessed mids but good AND emphasized mids/bass are more likely to have better texture and detail than good but recessed mids/bass. My TDK BA200 (although IEMs) have a slightly less clear sound due to less treble as compared to my L2. However, on certain vocal tracks, the BA200 brought out more details and vocals that weren't evident through my other HPs. 

 

I guess the musicality vs technicality debate can come into place here too. Emphasized frequencies vs neutral frequencies.

post #156 of 635
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Why do people think recessed mids=bad mids? Emphasized bass doesn't make the bass bad, its just coloration.

I used to think that but have grown out of it once I got my hands on a few pairs that had that description of recessed. I for one like emphasized based.

post #157 of 635
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I used to think that but have grown out of it once I got my hands on a few pairs that had that description of recessed. I for one like emphasized based.

 

I think it's all dependent on what someone would be looking for in his music or basically his preference. Like say if someone wanted the female vocals to be forward, he'd pick a headphone with an emphasized upper midrange etc. Just speculating of course

post #158 of 635

When do these headphones come out in the US? Headfonia's review of these phones really caught my eye.

post #159 of 635
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Originally Posted by Karnoffel View Post

When do these headphones come out in the US? Headfonia's review of these phones really caught my eye.

I think in February. I can't wait to get a set too!
post #160 of 635

Hi guys,

 

I've the chance to live in Europe (Just next to the Philips ilab in leuven, where the L2 have been developped :D ) so i could manage to order the L2 from Amazon.it for 200€ wich is a bargain.

 

I was really impressed with the headphonia test like the rest of you i guess, and altough i'm impressed with the L2 on my ears, they are over rating them in my opinion (well, im' not surprised, they dare to compare them with the big boyz like the LCD2 LOUL). I could compare my L2 with my old good Sennheiser hd598 and i have to say i love my HD598 a little bit more. 

 

L2 has really GREAT transparancy, very good bass quality and impact, it's tight, textured, just perfect to my taste, the best bass i've heard. Mediums are not as creamy and organic as the sens, that make all the difference to me. It's clear, good, but "drier", the voices doesn't seem to spread out in the space like the HD598 manage to do. High are very clear, crisp, detailled. Separation is very very good. They sound a little bit agressive and harsh at times because of the pikes on the 8K region ? i don't know. Nevertheless i can push up the volume on the hd598 much higher without getting my ears pierced. That's pretty important the ability to listen to high volume and not becoming deaf afterwards because of harsh highs.

 

Soundstage is a bit strange to my ear, i thought first that my open cans were way better in that matter but...ok, it's less wide, less open but there's something special in it, DEPTH ! i litteraly can fall into the music because of the definition and layers on some tracks. Really impressive for a semi nomad mid-fi headphone. My sens are more envelopping but there's less depth in them.

 

If i had to choose between the well known HD598 and the L2, i'd be in trouble because i'd prefer the L2 for classical instrumental and music with big BASS. I'd choose my Sens for Vocal music, Jazz and perhaps rock music but the L2 maintain a high level of clarity even when the music is supercharged in instrument, the L2 won in the ability of portraying complex music). I've havent decided wich one is better for that genre. Probably the Sens because of more the organic, smooth sound wich match my taste, sound more natural to me. 

 

They are very friendly, i can't imagine someone disliking them but to sum it up: THEY ARE NOT BETTER than our mid-fi cans. Headphonia exagereted the thing.

 

The thing is, they sound very good out of a HTC One S, of course they tend to sound greater with a dac like Fiio e17 but you can enjoy them outside of anything (except maybe the Clip+, the sound become very very harsh with that music player in my opinion :/) without much trouble.

 

 

Regarding the burn in effect, i didn't notice any change in the sound after 10 hours, it seem that the L2 sound at their best right out of the box. (or maybe there are a very slight change, difficult to say).


Edited by Drrizzt - 12/28/13 at 7:57am
post #161 of 635

How is the isolation for commuting with train?

post #162 of 635
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Originally Posted by JohannLiebert View Post
 

How is the isolation for commuting with train?

 

I couldn't enjoy them in a noisy classroom as they isolate poorly (not as bad as a fully open-back) as these are semi-open. However, if it just so happens that your train is one of those silent bullet trains, they don't leak a lot at least??

post #163 of 635

What's more disturbing is people talking happily and loud just beside me ;)

post #164 of 635

I used to listen to a pretty high volume level, i'm sure i won't be bothered by the traffic or other people, it's going to be quite the contrary :)

 

I can confirm that the sound leak is MUCH lower than with open cans, i can listen to music next to my sleeping girlfriend without provoking horrible nightmare (at least at moderate level). The perfect mix between a good open sound and discretion and portability these L2 to me. I love them a lot.

 

i just have to wait to buy a Fiio X3 cause the Htc one S IS NOT enough to make them shine.


Edited by Drrizzt - 12/30/13 at 7:40am
post #165 of 635
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Originally Posted by JohannLiebert View Post
 

How is the isolation for commuting with train?

 

On the MTR (train system in Hong Kong) I often find the train too loud and don't even bother.  I think this would be similar to "subway" type trains in say New York, Paris, Tokyo.  If you're talking long commute trains like they have in Sydney, they'd probably be ok.

 

Like I said previously, they tend to let in low frequency sounds, so things like bus engines will really get through.

 

I can listen to them on a bus or something though (unless I want to do critical listening or don't want to listen at too high a volume level).  Depends on how much the low rumble of engines bothers you.

 

My advice is to have some good IEM for these situations.


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 1/1/14 at 5:33pm
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