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post #121 of 609
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Originally Posted by cocolinho View Post
 

Had L2 for few days, this is exactly what I reported on our french website, to me L2 will be better than many closed competitors in this price range (Momentum, K550, MD1R etc...) but still it did not compete with my HD600 or HD700.

The biggest problem of the L2 is its construction: being semi-open in transportable segment sounds strange to me. If I need isolation on the go, I'll take my IEM or a closed headphones like HD25/DT1350, if I don't need isolation, then I would take HD600/700 any time.

 

 

Yeh I agree, if you need isolation use IEMs or something more closed. I was thinking maybe Philips could make a cap to go over the grill to increase isolation when needed. If I cover them with my hands (obviously) the isolation increases by quite a bit. 

 

I am going to search for something the exact size that doesn't look stupid.  I'll report if I can find something.

post #122 of 609

In Hong Kong:

$2850 for the L2 ($355usd)

$2430 for the HD600 ($300usd)

$3150 foe HD650 ($390usd)

$7,488 for the HD700 ($935usd)

 

I realise the L2 is kinda pricy compared to other countries.   €200 euros is basically $2000HKD.

post #123 of 609

I had the L1 for a while and didn't really rate it, so it went back. I don't think it was anywhere near as good as the Momentum.

 

Having said that there was something about the sound I did like. It sounded warm and lush, which would make a good contrast to some of my other headphones. However it just wasn't detailed enough for me and the bass was a little too much.

 

I am looking forward to hearing what the L2 sounds like. If they improve the treble, detail and lower the bass they might be a nice sounding headphone. I also really like the styling.

 

It's a shame they aren't out before Xmas in the UK as that could have gone on my list to Santa.

post #124 of 609
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Originally Posted by Stealthy Ninja View Post
 

In Hong Kong:

$2850 for the L2 ($355usd)

$2430 for the HD600 ($300usd)

$3150 foe HD650 ($390usd)

$7,488 for the HD700 ($935usd)

 

I realise the L2 is kinda pricy compared to other countries.   €200 euros is basically $2000HKD.

what it looks like to me in what I could pay for everything... When it is supposed to be available in the us. I imaging it will go for 299 or 279

post #125 of 609
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

what it looks like to me in what I could pay for everything... When it is supposed to be available in the us. I imaging it will go for 299 or 279


I think Tyll wrote February as he would publish the article in January. Judging from the finnish pricing I'd say once the price settles in at least closer to $250. There are headphones whose USD <-> EUR conversion comparing finnish pricing vs US that is roughly 1:1 in figures (lesser popular brands in europe like Audio Technica, Denon) and in Finland they currently sell the L2 for around 200 EUR with 23% VAT included:

http://hintavertailu.muropaketti.com/545611/philips-l2bo

 

Should be noted though that brands like Philips and Sony (besides Skullcandy) are seen in pretty much any market places around here which is why the pricing is pretty good over here on these consumer brands.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 12/4/13 at 7:58am
post #126 of 609

awesome. I am aiming at the l2 for portable and the dx700 for home. I wonder how the l2 compares to the akg k712... after midranging myself to death I am after tight bass and soundstage. After auditioning the jvc dx700 there is no turning back to headphones without a soundstage now.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 12/4/13 at 12:09pm
post #127 of 609
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awesome. I am aiming at the l2 for portable and the dx700 for home. I wonder how the l2 compares to the akg k712... after midranging myself to death I am after tight bass and soundstage. After auditioning the jvc dx700 there is no turning back to headphones without a soundstage now.

 

Just a little warning.  IF you're the type that needs a lot of isolation for portables or you will be around a lot of traffic/people talking, and the sound of rumbling traffic (they let low frequencies in) or being able to hear people talk around you bothers you.  Then go for something else.

 

If you're gonna use it in kinda quiet environments or you don't mind or WANT to hear a car coming when you're crossing the road :wink_face: then they're good.  

 

Personally I have IEM for times when the isolation isn't enough.  I also think Portland isn't going to be as noisy as Hong Kong, but it depends on your sensitivity.   They're almost as open as open back headphones... almost.

 

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Originally Posted by markwilliamsweb View Post
 

I had the L1 for a while and didn't really rate it, so it went back. I don't think it was anywhere near as good as the Momentum.

 

I personally thought the L1 sounded better than the momentum, BUT I'm not a Sennheiser fan... However the Momentum does have better isolation. I don't like the Momentum cable though.  Seems really flimsy.

 

 

Having said that there was something about the sound I did like. It sounded warm and lush, which would make a good contrast to some of my other headphones. However it just wasn't detailed enough for me and the bass was a little too much.

 

After comparing it to the L2 I realise this too.  Philips have really improved the detail and the bass is much more controlled.

 

 

I am looking forward to hearing what the L2 sounds like. If they improve the treble, detail and lower the bass they might be a nice sounding headphone. I also really like the styling.

 

They have improved those areas.  :beerchug:


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 12/4/13 at 4:26pm
post #128 of 609
"Id rather go out listening to my headphones!" Thats a true audiophile right there (tears).
post #129 of 609

They are selling them in Italy for 163 EUR. Couldn't resist.

 

Hopefully they turn out to be great, couldn't get to audition them first in this part of the world.

post #130 of 609

The other day I tried the L2s with the LCD-2, Q701 and X1.  All played on an AMP setup worth $20,000hkd ($2500usd).

 

The LCD-2s were amazing. So clear and beautiful sounding. I had to take them off quickly so I wouldn't be too tempted (maybe later :wink_face: ).

 

The X1 was great with classical music, a lot of clarity.  Tad too much bass for hip hop etc. With classical it was just right.

 

The Q701... let's just say I think it might be good with Jazz or something.  It lacked bass, but the top end was really nice. 

 

The L2 was good with everything.  Not as good with Classical as the X1 and not as good at Jazz and the like as the Q701, but overall it was the most fun and versatile of the lot. To me everything sounded good on it.  

 

I also tried the beyer T5P.  That thing has weird bass.  Kinda dull, like instead of "boom" you get a kinda "thunk"... I'm not into bass, but I want to know it's there.  Maybe a tube amp would bring out some more warmth from that headphone.


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 12/9/13 at 11:41pm
post #131 of 609

^how did its soundstage compare with those mentioned.

I don't see the x1 having too much bass for hip hop but I respect your opinion. 

post #132 of 609
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^how did its soundstage compare with those mentioned.

I don't see the x1 having too much bass for hip hop but I respect your opinion. 

For me (I played some Beastie Boys through them) the bass on the X1 overpowered the music and wasn't as well controlled as the L2, I have high hopes for the X2 when/if it comes.  I really dislike bass veil (is that a term?).

 

Anyway, sound stage they were pretty similar.  I think perhaps the LCD-2 and the X1 had the most.  Sorry I can't quite remember.

post #133 of 609
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Originally Posted by Stealthy Ninja View Post
 

For me (I played some Beastie Boys through them) the bass on the X1 overpowered the music and wasn't as well controlled as the L2, I have high hopes for the X2 when/if it comes.  I really dislike bass veil (is that a term?).

 

Anyway, sound stage they were pretty similar.  I think perhaps the LCD-2 and the X1 had the most.  Sorry I can't quite remember.

No its okay.. Its hard to make impressions in a short time. 

 

the x1 bass is famous for its bass not touching the mids that much.. but I can see what you mean. The bass isn't that tactful so though it doesn't overpower the mids it can add some fuzziness to the listening experience like a distraction not to mention that for beastie boys the rest of the music would sound distant compared to the bass. But the x1 instruments are distant no matter what genre.... so based on your listen i could expect the l2 bass to be tighter...and more forward. The lcd 2 soundstage is smaller than the x1. But I would say that if you remember them being able to hang with them then it is pretty good for its price tier. 

 

bass veil would be a good term if it hasn't been used yet:beerchug: ill start using it now:biggrin:

post #134 of 609
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

No its okay.. Its hard to make impressions in a short time. 

 

the x1 bass is famous for its bass not touching the mids that much.. but I can see what you mean. The bass isn't that tactful so though it doesn't overpower the mids it can add some fuzziness to the listening experience like a distraction not to mention that for beastie boys the rest of the music would sound distant compared to the bass. But the x1 instruments are distant no matter what genre.... so based on your listen i could expect the l2 bass to be tighter...and more forward. The lcd 2 soundstage is smaller than the x1. But I would say that if you remember them being able to hang with them then it is pretty good for its price tier. 

 

bass veil would be a good term if it hasn't been used yet:beerchug: ill start using it now:biggrin:

 

Hey maybe I invented a term.  LOL  I did like the X1 and I can get them pretty cheap at a particular shop.  Seems the X2 might be coming and perhaps the price is dropping.  I'm in wait and see mode. 

 

If you call the X1's instruments distant.  Then I'd call the L2's instruments close.


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 12/10/13 at 12:33am
post #135 of 609

has there been any x2 official comments from philips?

If you are assuming then its fine too I mean ofcourse they will make an x2 eventually. I hope its sooner than later. there is a zumreed x2 so hopefully no fighting over the x2 part


Edited by grizzlybeast - 12/10/13 at 12:37am
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