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post #16 of 104
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post
 

Sorry Jason I'm a noob and have questions.

 

Does it matter if DAC is limited to 24/96, 16/48?

 

How does the existing DAC affect the resulting sound?

 

Is the Loki a modified Modi?

 

The Loki is a completely separate USB DAC that only supports DSD and also functions as a pass-through for an existing DAC when you're not using it.

 

So when listening to PCM your signal chain is:

(whatever your DAC is) -> Loki (passthrough, does nothing) -> Amp -> Cans

 

When you want to do DSD it's like this:

Loki -> Amp -> Cans

 

While doing DSD your other/normal DAC is still plugged into the Loki but isn't doing anything and the signal is being ignored, so it has no effect on the sound (nor does its sample rate).

post #17 of 104

Friendship is magic! Thx for the expl. Defiant

post #18 of 104
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post
 

Friendship is magic! Thx for the expl. Defiant

 

Haha, no problem, glad I could help :)

post #19 of 104
But it is useless for people who have all in one DAC/Amp combo such as Audio-gd NFB 11.32 or Woo Audio WA7 for example? Am I right ?
post #20 of 104

Yeah, sounds like it.  Separates ftw!

post #21 of 104
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post
 

 

Bigger surprises than that. I hope.

 

What I want from the magic Schiit factory for X-Mas would be a stat amp for the masses (affordable), along with accompanying stat headphone. Please oh please! 

:D

post #22 of 104

Given the size of this, I wonder if there will be new DSD DACs to compliment the Bifrost and Gungnir to complete those stacks?

post #23 of 104

 

I think it should be a Actual Dac and not a tranport device, because $149 for a DSD passthru device seem too much to me just for that one function that it does. I could see it worth it to alot of people if it was a external Dac unit which actually supported DSD too or a All in one external dac amp like alot of people want from the look of it from the earlier post.

 

 

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post

But it is useless for people who have all in one DAC/Amp combo such as Audio-gd NFB 11.32 or Woo Audio WA7 for example? Am I right ?

Actually the Audio-GD Units with USB32 transfer chips already supports DSD, Kingwa mentions it self in another thread, when a user asked about it. It just that you will need the compass2 for the 24bit/32bit384khz DSD files. While 11.32/15.32 Will only play DSD that using 192khz in either bit rates.  Most of the Audio-GD units does have RCA out, but like I mention it wouldnt be any point for those units because of the USB32 transfer chip supporting it. Unless you had the older models that uses the Tenor chips, Then you could plug the RCA out on the Tenor using units into the loki and then into some speakers or whatever.


Edited by genclaymore - 9/9/13 at 1:54pm
post #24 of 104
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Originally Posted by genclaymore View Post

 

I think it should be a Actual Dac and not a tranport device, because $149 for a DSD passthru device seem too much to me just for that one function that it does. I could see it worth it to alot of people if it was a external Dac unit which actually supported DSD too or a All in one external dac amp like alot of people want from the look of it from the earlier post.

 

 

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post

But it is useless for people who have all in one DAC/Amp combo such as Audio-gd NFB 11.32 or Woo Audio WA7 for example? Am I right ?

Actually the Audio-GD Units with USB32 transfer chips already supports DSD, Kingwa mentions it self in another thread, when a user asked about it. It just that you will need the compass2 for the 24bit/32bit384khz DSD files. While 11.32/15.32 Will only play DSD that using 192khz in either bit rates.  Most of the Audio-GD units does have RCA out, but like I mention it wouldnt be any point for those units because of the USB32 transfer chip supporting it. Unless you had the older models that uses the Tenor chips, Then you could plug the RCA out on the Tenor using units into the loki and then into some speakers or whatever.

Ok thanks I was planning to sell NFB 11.32 anyway. Plus I can't understand why they just can't add DSD to existing Bifrost instead
post #25 of 104

Hi Jason,

 

Help me understand the hookup.  I know this goes to the USB on my computer and the computer feeds the DSD to the Loki...but if I'm only running DSD, do I need another DAC after it?  or can it go directly to an amp?

 

And let's say I have a Modi/Magni stack on my desk already...do I then need two USB feeds...one to the Loki and one to the Modi for playing DSD and PCM respectively?

post #26 of 104

Yea you would need two USB Feeds and basic place the loki in between the Modi and the Magni, Its not it own separate dac. It has to be used with a Dac.

post #27 of 104

Actually I thought it was a stand alone DSD dac and could be used by itself.  I believe it has a pass through for a regular dac.

post #28 of 104
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Originally Posted by genclaymore View Post
 

Yea you would need two USB Feeds and basic place the loki in between the Modi and the Magni, Its not it own separate dac. It has to be used with a Dac.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

Actually I thought it was a stand alone DSD dac and could be used by itself.  I believe it has a pass through for a regular dac.

 

 

Tuco1965's got it right, if you are only going to be listening to DSD then you need no other DAC. If you plan on listening to anything else then yeah, you'll want a 'normal' DAC; the Loki passthrough is just a convenient way to have both hooked up to the same amp.

post #29 of 104
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

Actually I thought it was a stand alone DSD dac and could be used by itself.  I believe it has a pass through for a regular dac.

 

Yep, you can use it by itself.

 

You can:

 

1. Use it integrated with your current DAC, and run the RCA outputs of your current DAC through Loki for easier switching. Loki does nothing to your current DAC's output. 

2. Use it side-by-side with your current DAC, running the output of your DAC and Loki separately through a switcher or preamp.

3. Use it by itself, and convert all of your PCM material to DSD via software, or listen only to DSD.

 

If you have an integrated DAC/Amp with a line in, you can certainly use Loki with it. If it only has a digital input, then yeah, you're kind of out of luck there.

 

Hope this clear things up!

post #30 of 104

It's USB digital in, but no digital out from what I can see.  I think it acts as a DSD DAC and an analog switcher.  As I understand it:

 

DSD:    Computer--->Loki--->Amp

 

and

 

PCM:    Computer or SPDIF--->DAC--->Loki (purely analog passthru)--->Amp

 

Thus you use the Loki to switch between your DAC's output and the Loki's

 

This is what I can glean from the documentation and the pictures.

 

Jason and confirm or demonstrate my idiocy...I'd say it's 50/50 which.

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