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typical no tea-maker,  wish Sony would get their act together, think I'll re-think my order.

Corrected.

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I always know an opinion an opinion is not worth the space it occupies when the writer makes sneering, supercilious comments about a product.

To describe the SQ of an iPod as a 'joke' is such a comment. I too have owned two. I often work with one of the world's leading opera companies and know great music when I hear it.

My iPod Classic has given me hours of pleasure when listening to ALAC files of orchestral work through my Ety's or Shures.

By all means express an opinion, but dumb, disparaging remarks say more about the author than anything else.

The iPod line deserves respect for a being a stunning, ground-breaking device.

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I always know an opinion an opinion is not worth the space it occupies when the writer makes sneering, supercilious comments about a product.
To describe the SQ of an iPod as a 'joke' is such a comment. I too have owned two. I often work with one of the world's leading opera companies and know great music when I hear it.
My iPod Classic has given me hours of pleasure when listening to ALAC files of orchestral work through my Ety's or Shures.
By all means express an opinion, but dumb, disparaging remarks say more about the author than anything else.
The iPod line deserves respect for a being a stunning, ground-breaking device.

I agree with you.

Thank you for joining head fi just to make this post (:
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I agree with you.

Thank you for joining head fi just to make this post (:

 

Lol, must really like ipods or steve jobs to sign up just for that post to redeem apple :P

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I hope that this is not a start of a new fight.......
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I hope that this is not a start of a new fight.......

Fight? What fight? I thought that we are a vocal yet harmonious group? biggrin.gif
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Ipod classic paired with a good amp using the line out is not too bad, it still does not beat the sony z1070 though that is in a different league

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Oh ohhh.....
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Oh ohhh.....

 +1

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:eek:

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

I respectfully disagree, for 2 reasons:

 

 

1) FM radio is analogue and transmissions are gradually going all-digital these days, so FM receivers will son be obsolete.

 

2) FM radio is often broadcast with severe dynamic compression, so it has no place on a hi-res DAP. Limit that to the cheaper gear like the A-series, if at all.

 

 

 

 

With regard to What Hi-fi's article, I used to read What Hi-fi, years ago, but that article is absolute nonsense:

 

The iPod Classic is a joke, SQ-wise. I say that as someone who has owned 2 of them. Love the User Interface but the SQ is appalling (if you wanna use a Classic with a DAC/AMP, then fair enough, but I'm talking about the Classic used solo, just as What Hi-fi are). Just because the Classic does not include a radio or other gimmick features does not mean it is 'focused on audio quality'. Never was, never will be.

 

 

 

1) Sony sure as hell aren't going to make the mistake of using a mechanical HDD again (they had hellish reliability problems, and the iPod Classic has terrible reliability with the mechanical HDD, too), so, whatever capacity it has, it'll be solid state memory

 

and...

 

2) When it comes to capacity, Sony are as greedy as Apple, and charge an arm & a leg for larger solid state capacities. They're also as greedy as Apple in the sense that they refuse to allow expandable memory on their flagship DAPs. For this thing to be higher capacity than 160gb, that would probably imply 256gb, and Sony would not sell a DAP with 256gb unless they charged a price almost as disgusting as iRiver's 'Astel & Kern' DAPs.

 

64gb would not pull in high-end buyers/upgraders, since the existing flagship 1070 already runs at 64gb.

 

Therefore, I reckon this'll end up being 128gb solid state and no more, but 128gb is a reasonable capacity, so I don't have a major problem with that, even though I would much prefer SDHC / Micro SDHC expandable memory.

 

 

Thankyou, Alpha10 and Bloodflowerz for the links :beerchug:

What a stupid remark; 'the iPod Classic is a joke SQ-wise'. The 'joke' here is the sneering, supercilious remark. Rule 1 of presenting a good argument worthy of respect; don't make ridiculous, disparaging remarks about excellent products.

 

I currently work with one of the world's leading opera companies and hear great music every night in the theatre. I also hear great music direct from my iPod Classic when listening to ALAC files of orchestral work played through my Shure's or Ety's.

 

The universally tedious issue with sites such as this is the audiosnob sensibilities of some who post...

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Edited by Noble-Geezer - 11/8/13 at 7:35pm
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apple is teh lame and teh suck, anyone with an apple product is teh noob :D

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Originally Posted by SallyMae View Post
 

What a stupid remark; 'the iPod Classic is a joke SQ-wise'. The 'joke' here is the sneering, supercilious remark. Rule 1 of presenting a good argument worthy of respect; don't make ridiculous, disparaging remarks about excellent products.

 

I currently work with one of the world's leading opera companies and hear great music every night in the theatre. I also hear great music direct from my iPod Classic when listening to ALAC files of orchestral work played through my Shure's or Ety's.

 

The universally tedious issue with sites such as this is the audiosnob sensibilities of some who post...

 

 

1) I find it rather telling that you've registered on Head-fi  PURELY to disagree with a remark I posted many weeks ago (and you've posted the exact same thing twice).

 

2) I am not the only one to notice that you've registered purely to disagree with that remark.

 

3) I stand by my remark about the iPod Classic's SQ.  If you use it as part of a stack, then that's a different matter, but, used on it's own I have experienced the frustration of the substandard SQ on many occasions, over the years.

 

4) Just because you disagree with my opinion of the iPod Classics SQ does not mean that you need to assert that my opinion is invalid or "stupid".

 

5) You simply assumed that my dissatisfaction with the iPod Classics SQ stems from snobbishness. Had you been less presumptuous and asked me why I feel as I do about the Classic, I would have told you that I have experienced the same issue with both my Gen 5.5 and Gen 6 Classics - to my ears, they lack sufficient 3-dimensionality to their soundstaging and imaging, distort far too easily (using Denon AHC-701 earphones, for example, which are easy to drive), subjectively lack subtle detailing, subjectively lack taughtness to the bass response, and have a generally bland & uninvolving presentation of music overall.

 

6) I couldn't care less about whether you personally deem any of my opinions 'worthy of respect'. I don't exist to please you or pander to your sense of 'right' or 'wrong'. You are welcome to your opinion that the Classic sounds good, but please spare me the personal attacks about my own opinions.

 

7) You might well "work with one of the world's leading opera companies and hear great music every night in the theatre", but that doesn't necessarily bestow upon you any more ability to discern shortcomings in audio equipment. I could work in an off-license but it doesn't mean I am necessarily better at wine-tasting than any other person.

 

8) For you to clearly take my remarks about the iPod Classic so bizarrely personally, and for you to feel so strongly about it that you registered here on Head-fi purely to take issue with a remark posted weeks ago makes me very suspicious about your real motives. The way you're taking this so personally almost makes you sound like an Apple Employee.

 

9) Even Jobs himself tacitly acknowledged that there was much room for improvement in iPod playback quality:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/593712/audiophile-successor-to-ipod-neil-young-and-steve-jobs-had-plans

 

...and, should you happen to doubt that I am a longtime Apple customer myself, or that I have owned any other players upon which to base my comparative opinions of the Classics SQ, you can see my 6th Gen iPod Classic amongst the photos I posted in the Rocco BA thread, 18 months ago:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607258/hisoundaudio-rocoo-ba-superior-hi-fi-player-for-ciems-iems/75#post_8411006

 

Whilst the Classic is rightly heralded as groundbreaking (one reason why I bought it, twice, in spite of it's poor reliability), Apple have never seriously prioritised their engineering efforts in pursuit of high fidelity. I have no doubt that they are capable of doing so, what with their formidable economic resources, but they have always chosen to focus upon 'user-experience', glamour, and product ecosystem above all other priorities. In many respects, that's commendable, serves the mass-market, and is undoubtedly where many high-fidelity-focused players from smaller vendors fall short, so I'm certainly not implying that any one vendor has ever got all areas right, at the time of this writing, but where SQ itself is considered, I know the Classic leaves a lot to be desired.

 

 

Anyway, no hard feelings from my end. Let's just move on with the thread.

 

 

.... speaking of which, is there anyone here who has pre-ordered the NW-ZX1 and intends to use it (un-amped) with Unique Melody's Miracle or Merlin?

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 11/9/13 at 9:53am
post #975 of 7502
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Originally Posted by SallyMae View Post
 

What a stupid remark; 'the iPod Classic is a joke SQ-wise'. The 'joke' here is the sneering, supercilious remark. Rule 1 of presenting a good argument worthy of respect; don't make ridiculous, disparaging remarks about excellent products.

 

I currently work with one of the world's leading opera companies and hear great music every night in the theatre. I also hear great music direct from my iPod Classic when listening to ALAC files of orchestral work played through my Shure's or Ety's.

 

The universally tedious issue with sites such as this is the audiosnob sensibilities of some who post...

 

All i hear is a typical iFan getting all crazy due to someone dissing the iBrand...

iPod Classic SQ is decent, however there are many other DAPs out there which are better/in different league compared with iDevices.

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