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Pretty sure they will say the amp issue can be addressed by purchasing PHA-2...

Which i think a lot if people will do so in order to complete the package

But then, if a PHA-2 is necessary to really make it sing, that rather begs the question of why it's worth buying the NW-ZX1 in the first place.

One might argue it just as well buy any smartphone and amp/DAC it.

I'm really looking forward to reading some worthwhile, in-depth, english reviews and comparisons soon. It seems the Japanese 'reviews' thus far have been rather lacking in substance.


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I prefer to hear singing in music, not gear. tongue.gif

But yeah, 15 mW does seem rather small for today's media players. I ain't buying the PHA-2. Sony does have a line-out option though, doesn't it?
Edited by miceblue - 10/20/13 at 10:45pm
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1. Big name
2. Good SQ better than AK100 (hardly an achievement nowadays)
3. Cheaper than Ak120 (more customers)
4. Form factor
5. Able to scale with Pha-2 (more revenue) for "hardcore" audiophiles
6. Highres is becoming more popular

Pretty sound business plan...

I dont know how Japan side of internet works, but so far the "reviews" and "impressions" are more like a part of big internet marketing

I remember seeing impressions on a blog that is filled with Sony ads...
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

1. Big name
2. Good SQ better than AK100 (hardly an achievement nowadays)
3. Cheaper than Ak120 (more customers)
4. Form factor
5. Able to scale with Pha-2 (more revenue) for "hardcore" audiophiles
6. Highres is becoming more popular

Pretty sound business plan...

I dont know how Japan side of internet works, but so far the "reviews" and "impressions" are more like a part of big internet marketing

I remember seeing impressions on a blog that is filled with Sony ads...

 

 

You make a valid point about possible 'influences' from sponsors upon 'reviews', but then precisely the same criticism could be leveled at Head-fi, since it, too, is financed by sponsors.

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But we still get the community voice here....i hope...
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

But we still get the community voice here....i hope...

Hum...rarely one voice in the community here. Who to trust :)

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But we still get the community voice here....i hope...

 

Hmmm.... ever see what happened to the original Frogbeats C4 thread? :rolleyes:

 

No?

 

Thought not...

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

1. Big name
2. Good SQ better than AK100 (hardly an achievement nowadays)
3. Cheaper than Ak120 (more customers)
4. Form factor
5. Able to scale with Pha-2 (more revenue) for "hardcore" audiophiles
6. Highres is becoming more popular

Pretty sound business plan...

I dont know how Japan side of internet works, but so far the "reviews" and "impressions" are more like a part of big internet marketing

I remember seeing impressions on a blog that is filled with Sony ads...

What we need is a good sounding portable (not transportable) DAP that also boost of a great UI. Sony is best positioned to realize this alongside Apple but it seems that Sony is not doing it with the ZX1.

If this player needs the PHA2 to sound good then I will certainly give this a pass as I can easily achieve that with an iPod stack.

The only selling point is the hi res capability but it won't solve the problem of me wanting a high end sounding device with good UI but without the size of a stack.

The DX50 comes pretty close except for its UI and not so fantastic SQ.
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What we need is a good sounding portable (not transportable) DAP that also boost of a great UI. Sony is best positioned to realize this alongside Apple but it seems that Sony is not doing it with the ZX1.

If this player needs the PHA2 to sound good then I will certainly give this a pass as I can easily achieve that with an iPod stack.

The only selling point is the hi res capability but it won't solve the problem of me wanting a high end sounding device with good UI but without the size of a stack.

The DX50 comes pretty close except for its UI and not so fantastic SQ.

What makes you so sure that it cannot drive all of your IEMs to your fullest satisfaction, is the output signal power so weak compared to other daps? I am in Europe, I need to deal with kinda castrated headphone out signals. And honestly my Ipod Classic and my Sony NWZ-845 can play the EX-1000 and both my Ultrasone Signatures quite well. If I want more I amplify them with my Meier Audio Stepdance anyways. Maybe that will be no longer needed from the NWZ-ZX1 because of the class D amp.

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Fiio X3 looks at the new Sony ZX1, and says Pfft, you only got 15mW? I have 500mW homie. Sony ZX1 looks back and says, your DAC chip is how old now? I have S-Master, biatch.

 

I really wish ZX1 had more power, X3 makes the ZX1 look like a baby. Now compared to the HM-901 and DX100, which both just over twice the power of the X3, then the ZX1 really starts to look silly.

 

Sony could have done a lot better, I really do hope that the ZX1 uses super fairy magic miracle technology to turn 15mW into 500.

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Fiio X3 looks at the new Sony ZX1, and says Pfft, you only got 15mW? I have 500mW homie. Sony ZX1 looks back and says, your DAC chip is how old now? I have S-Master, biatch.

 

I really wish ZX1 had more power, X3 makes the ZX1 look like a baby. Now compared to the HM-901 and DX100, which both just over twice the power of the X3, then the ZX1 really starts to look silly.

 

Sony could have done a lot better, I really do hope that the ZX1 uses super fairy magic miracle technology to turn 15mW into 500.

 

But ever considered the possibly Sony isn't targeting for customers like yourselves who are seeking for more power?? There are those options by other makers that you've already mentioned. If anything, the ZX1 (and all other Sony walkmans) were made to push for their own current earphones/headphones instead - and they not high impedance h/e-phones.

 

My thoughts are that the NW-ZX1 is attempting to bring the audiophile experience to the general consumer (sheesh...I sound like an advert), but it's not exclusively an audiophile's DAP - as such the Google Play, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. If anything it's probably more like a competitor to the Apple iPod Touch but with higher ended audio components replacing the camera.

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This reminds me of a brief encounter I had.....I was selling a pair of iem to a dude, during the meet it is customary to share the experience with gear and stuff... so he had this really expensive Japanese portable tube amp which was hooked to his idevice... I did not have any I/C on me so I just plugged my 334 for a brief listen.... and what I heard was this poorly mastered thin 128kbps mp3 of some Canton pop that sounded really horrible on my iem... since I was selling stuff at that time, I had to politely say "wow, this sounds so warm...is it an mp3 file?" you can actually hear the difference when the bitrate was this low...

 

anyway, I just dont think this audiophile head-fi, portable highres business is still a "niche" market.....and Sony is probably gonna take it to another level..

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But ever considered the possibly Sony isn't targeting for customers like yourselves who are seeking for more power?? There are those options by other makers that you've already mentioned. If anything, the ZX1 (and all other Sony walkmans) were made to push for their own current earphones/headphones instead - and they not high impedance h/e-phones.

 

My thoughts are that the NW-ZX1 is attempting to bring the audiophile experience to the general consumer (sheesh...I sound like an advert), but it's not exclusively an audiophile's DAP - as such the Google Play, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. If anything it's probably more like a competitor to the Apple iPod Touch but with higher ended audio components replacing the camera.

 

Well the EX1000, XBA-40, XBA-H3 and even sony's full size headphone line up all scale very well with more power, delivering more dynamics, finesse, detail, sound stage etc. So I think its in Sony's best interests to at least be able to say their own ear phones sound better out of their ZX1 than out of any competing DAP, but I'm not so sure this is going to be the case, as the ZX1's power output might not do many ear phones justice. I hope I'm wrong though, I am going to buy the ZX1 and compare it to other DAPS anyway.

 

And I doubt the general consumer would pay so much for a DAP, its really the audiophile market interested, I just hope sony does us proud, none of this general consumer rubbish :D

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Does the fact that Sony is launching in parallel with the ZX1 DAP a headphone amp -- PHA2 -- mean that the power of sound of ZX1 is inferior to that of NWZ-1070? I put aside my HA (Predator) with the new generation of DAP's and that felt quite light and practical. This is a step back, if it turns out to be the case!

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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post

Well the EX1000, XBA-40, XBA-H3 and even sony's full size headphone line up all scale very well with more power, delivering more dynamics, finesse, detail, sound stage etc. So I think its in Sony's best interests to at least be able to say their own ear phones sound better out of their ZX1 than out of any competing DAP, but I'm not so sure this is going to be the case, as the ZX1's power output might not do many ear phones justice. I hope I'm wrong though, I am going to buy the ZX1 and compare it to other DAPS anyway.

And I doubt the general consumer would pay so much for a DAP, its really the audiophile market interested, I just hope sony does us proud, none of this general consumer rubbish biggrin.gif
I think your underestimate the consumers here in Japan. You may be surprised. Maybe Sony should make it an exclusive Japan-only to avoid all this noise.

I also must say, outside of the business aspect, that I think it's rather selfish with the idea of keeping the so-called audiophile level products solely for the audiophile market & ignoring the consumer market. I actually welcome the concept of bringing higher level quality music & methods of delivery (through DAPs or headphones) to the general consumer. Over time, when the general consumer gets more educated, it merely raises the bar of the audiophile standard.

Clearly we don't see eye to eye about this product & that's fine but I don't think it deserves the criticism it's received so far. I would have -other- issues to pick on this DAP but "poor power delivery compared to another brand that can at 3x cheaper" isn't one of them.
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The 4 capacitors in the headphone amp section will help a lot. They will support the impulse power when required. The pcb of the fiio E12 and other small amps have only the same or smaller caps in this place.
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