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post #5566 of 7455
I lack a reference point? How can you make statements like that? I have a nexus 5 for your information. So I do have something to reference against. Comparing the two my nexus is ahead of the zx1, though below it in sound quality.

However when I use my zx1 I wouldn't say it was slow. I'm certainly not waiting around when browsing through albums and selecting songs. Even chrome is fairly responsive. The screen quality isn't as good but I didn't buy it for that.
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What I mean is a similar Sony product with identical Android OS to compare against. To me the ZX-1 should have far better specs than it's phone line up considering it's price point. To me the ZX-1 is now slow after I used the Sony phone, it was that quick.

post #5568 of 7455

Maybe it should have. But then I'm sure I've read on here that the sound quality isn't that good on the sony phones? I may be wrong there though.

At the end of the day I want a reasonably responsive dap, that doesn't noticeably slow down to the point where i'm waiting for apps to load up. I'm not having to redo button presses where it hasn't responded, so i'm happy with it. Maybe my expectations are low. But it does what I bought it for and that's all that matters for me. I bought a dx50 last year, and yes it's not android based but I really hated the ui, and didn't get on with it at all. Buggy and had backlight bleeding. Just glad I've found something I can stick with for awhile. 

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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post

It firstly should kill the Apple products in the sound department without any fuss, it doesn't.


Depends on whose ears. I find the sound quality of my ZX1 (Japanese model) to be better than my Samsung Note2 and my friend's iPhone5s.

Secondly, it does have a major advantage over iOS products in that the Android platform is more open and allows me to use software which helps me automate playback and pausing given I have integrated mine as a permanent source in my car stereo system.
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It should have the cpu power to achieve any task without lag, it doesn't.


It does for me. Any task being any task expected of a dedicated audio player. Anything more than that would demand more power to run a beefier CPU. That would result in a bigger unit to accommodate a bigger battery. Not a good compromise for such a product.
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It's screen rez and brightness should match any player(approx. same price) or phone out there and better it, it doesn't.


It's largely an audio player, not video. For me, I don't need higher resolution, which would also result in higher power consumption from the GPU. Brightness could be a little better though when used in almost direct sunlight.
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I have had the ZX-1 for some time now and the more I use it the more it's short cummings annoy me and at the price I paid I feel ripped off. I will wait for the new Cowon Plenue P1 to come out and compare.

Bad job Sony you should and can do better.


It's a shame but the reality is, no one device is made to suit everyone's needs and tastes. If you feel the ZX1 is a disappointment, there's nothing wrong in feeling that way. Clearly it wasn't made for you and something else probably is.




"If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters. " - Artstar
post #5570 of 7455
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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post
 

What I mean is a similar Sony product with identical Android OS to compare against. To me the ZX-1 should have far better specs than it's phone line up considering it's price point. To me the ZX-1 is now slow after I used the Sony phone, it was that quick.

 

I can see where you're coming from, and I suppose as an all-round performer the ZX-1 falls a bit short in terms of screen quality and processor grunt. But, from my point of view, considering the price point ($560 AUD for me) vs. a high end Sony phone (I have an Xperia Z Ultra which I paid ~$400 AUD for recently, but the new Xperia Z2 would set me back ~$670 AUD), I think the compromise in CPU power for the added sound quality is a fair trade. That, combined with the low pixel count (but IMO decently vibrant/sharp for it's purpose) screen also means the battery life is improved - I can easily get 4-5 days of use out of the ZX-1, whereas my phone almost always needs a charge by the end of the day. Granted if I put the phone in airplane mode like I do with the ZX-1 it would probably last significantly longer (and the fact that I have a 6.4" 1080p Triluminos screen on the Xperia Z Ultra doesn't help).

 

To Sony's credit, I think the decision to stick to as close to stock android as possible with the ZX-1 was a smart move, as that cuts out unnecessary processing overhead in terms of the launcher and other things. My experience with the ZX-1 so far has been positive - it does occasionally lag when I tap on the widget to bring up the full player, or if using the screen controls for music sometimes album art takes a while to load or skipping tracks lags a little, but those aren't major problems and if the side buttons are used the lag isn't there at all. It also struggles when I'm using the fancier over the top features, like the album art sprawl view for example, but again that's not a big deal for me, I don't use that view except for when I'm checking for album art consistency. Might be worth trying a different launcher if you feel navigating the home screens is laggy, as that can have a pretty dramatic impact (I personally love Nova Launcher, it's been incredibly smooth for me). I also feel the widget Sony puts on the home screen is pretty inefficiently coded, it seems to produce most of my lag issues, so not using it might help also.

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Originally Posted by satish89 View Post
 

 

I can see where you're coming from, and I suppose as an all-round performer the ZX-1 falls a bit short in terms of screen quality and processor grunt. But, from my point of view, considering the price point ($560 AUD for me) vs. a high end Sony phone (I have an Xperia Z Ultra which I paid ~$400 AUD for recently, but the new Xperia Z2 would set me back ~$670 AUD), I think the compromise in CPU power for the added sound quality is a fair trade. That, combined with the low pixel count (but IMO decently vibrant/sharp for it's purpose) screen also means the battery life is improved - I can easily get 4-5 days of use out of the ZX-1, whereas my phone almost always needs a charge by the end of the day. Granted if I put the phone in airplane mode like I do with the ZX-1 it would probably last significantly longer (and the fact that I have a 6.4" 1080p Triluminos screen on the Xperia Z Ultra doesn't help).

 

To Sony's credit, I think the decision to stick to as close to stock android as possible with the ZX-1 was a smart move, as that cuts out unnecessary processing overhead in terms of the launcher and other things. My experience with the ZX-1 so far has been positive - it does occasionally lag when I tap on the widget to bring up the full player, or if using the screen controls for music sometimes album art takes a while to load or skipping tracks lags a little, but those aren't major problems and if the side buttons are used the lag isn't there at all. It also struggles when I'm using the fancier over the top features, like the album art sprawl view for example, but again that's not a big deal for me, I don't use that view except for when I'm checking for album art consistency. Might be worth trying a different launcher if you feel navigating the home screens is laggy, as that can have a pretty dramatic impact (I personally love Nova Launcher, it's been incredibly smooth for me). I also feel the widget Sony puts on the home screen is pretty inefficiently coded, it seems to produce most of my lag issues, so not using it might help also.

If I had paid that amount I would feel a little better although I purchased from Price Japan and with no discount offer for a tidy sum of $830AUD,

so you can understand where I'm coming from. At that price I demand Sony supply top of everything, cpu, screen etc.

This is part of Sony's business model to keep you coming back.

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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post
 

If I had paid that amount I would feel a little better although I purchased from Price Japan and with no discount offer for a tidy sum of $830AUD,

so you can understand where I'm coming from. At that price I demand Sony supply top of everything, cpu, screen etc.

This is part of Sony's business model to keep you coming back.

 

Wow... Admittedly I haven't read through every page on this thread, so I didn't know it cost that much from Japan via Price Japan. Direct from Sony with no discount the ZX-1 is $699 AUD: http://www.sony.com.au/product/nwz-zx1 so my discount wasn't that crazy compared to that. It took ages to hit the site though, a good few months between launch in Japan and release on the Australian Sony site, and I did get mine before the rest of Australia, so I count myself as extremely lucky. I definitely feel where you're coming from. The European prices I read on some posts in this thread scared me. As far as I am aware though the ZX-1 is about par for the course compared with all the other DAP's in and around it's price bracket. Though I've never personally tried any of the others, that's just based on what I read. Personally I'm inclined to agree with the thoughts in this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/709479/multi-review-hifiman-hm901-fiio-x5-sony-zx1-hisound-studio-3rd-anv-iphone-4 in which the merits of high end DAP's vs an iPhone and the Clip etc. were so marginal that it was almost impossible for the price tag to be justified. But like I posted on there, everyone is willing to live with a different level of perceived value, so many will be fine with paying in excess of $1k just for the SQ benefits, no matter how terrible the interface may be.

 

The Xperia Z2 is $759 AUD on Sony Australia's site as well, packing a quad core Qualcomm Snapdragon 2.3ghz CPU and 3gb of RAM, miles ahead of the performance guts of the ZX-1. I do agree that they could have thrown a beefier CPU in - maybe the ZX-2 will be more like a Sony smartphone with audiophile-grade DAC's slapped on the back, and we'll finally get the best of both worlds. Imagine watching a movie on a 1080p Triluminos screen with the processing/audio hardware of the ZX-1 pumping out the sound - the ultimate on the go movie experience. I personally can't wait til Sony fix up such a device - even if they squeezed high grade DAC's into a tablet like the Z2 tablet for a reasonable price I'd jump on that.

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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post
 

If I had paid that amount I would feel a little better although I purchased from Price Japan and with no discount offer for a tidy sum of $830AUD,

so you can understand where I'm coming from. At that price I demand Sony supply top of everything, cpu, screen etc.

This is part of Sony's business model to keep you coming back.

 

Please let me know if I've misunderstood you but based on what I'm reading, you bought it at grey market prices because you wanted it ASAP, instead of waiting for official Australia distribution in May '14, and you feel that the Sony's NW-ZX1 is overpriced?

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Originally Posted by ZX1ZX1 View Post
 

What kind of audio files were used to make these comparisons? Does the Iphone 5S support ALAC/FLAC?

 

Given that Apple created Apple Lossless, I think we can be fairly confident that it will support at least one of those two ;)

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

Please let me know if I've misunderstood you but based on what I'm reading, you bought it at grey market prices because you wanted it ASAP, instead of waiting for official Australia distribution in May '14, and you feel that the Sony's NW-ZX1 is overpriced?

The time I purchased the ZX-1 the word around town was that Australia would not receive the player. I was caught between a rock and a hard place. In fact Price Japan was the cheapest at the time anywhere in the world. At time of purchase my only choice was between the Filo X5 and ZX-1, much more expensive others notwithstanding. In future I will wait a good 6 months before these purchases even if I have no music player to contend with. I did not want this ASAP, I waited for some time before purchase.

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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post
 

someone told me it wasn't possible to have the default player to go to the first song in the next folder when finished with the the actual folder. do you guys confirm it's not available? it was available on all my old sony daps (by picking "all" in the playback range option) so it would be disappointing.


Yep, it's not available! I also come from old walkmans and always had that 'Playback Range' option on 'All Range'.
I even sold my Astell & Kern AK120 for its inability to do this (and other software annoyances, though I was happy with the hardware).

Guess I'll be using it with Poweramp for not properly tagged albums and native player for tagged ones. (It can play 'All' by Artist if the albums are sorted like Year-Album for example)

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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post
 

No worries, when it's a minefield just take your time and don't rush then you don't blow your wallet up! 

 

UE's can be demoed at Hand Held Audio in Enfield if your able to get there and they do the impressions as well but you will pay a price for this service.  I got my JH16pros done there three years ago, friendly bunch there, know their stuff but they mainly to fit and supply to the music industry and artist.  

 

If your interested in the Noble 4S drop Ok-Guy a line on here as he can help you out there and they should have their own list of places to get done impressions if you went the 4S route. 

 

The Hugo especially as it is not a product that will chop and change every five minutes like other products do now days will always be there, not going anyway for later once you are settled with the iems and can only imagine from when I heard the older incarnation of a 4 that the detail resolution of the 4 in a custom will match the Hugo when the time comes and should match the ZX1 really well as well until then. 

 

Main thing is the ZX1 is a good enough Walkman for SQ that it still gives a good long listening session as it is. Even after going back to the ZX1 after I finished my demo session with the Hugo the ZX1 is still good enough on it's own to enjoy the sound despite the Hugo's magical properties of listening bliss.

 

Once you get your trousers back from been ironed and your man size Kleenex is opened and in strategic positioning your will be ready to roll your ciem's which will be easier to hide than a Hugo anyhow!  Good luck :wink_face: 

 

Its been none stop reading in my spare time to try not to blow the wallet up, but it then comes down to wanting to improve my ZX1 listening experience and now! :biggrin:

 

I'm trying to improve on my Shure 530's to get the most out of the ZX1 with my Indie, Jazz and occasional classical music, so will try some Shure 846's at Shure, who I believe are over the same way as Hand Held Audio, so can then drop in and try a few iems out at the same time; thanks for the pointer.

 

There is always the 4S/C with the F/R switch that I've been reading about, to give me two different sound signatures in one device; which is cool, if possible.

 

And the K10 looks cool if it replaces my need for some over ears at a later stage, then I can justify the price tag!

 

Happy to report, I have my trousers back, washed and ironed, kleenex box ready and all ready to go :D 

 

Cheers for the help


Edited by mannp - 6/10/14 at 6:34am
post #5578 of 7455
So this SNR reading. If the zx1 suffers due to this, if you used the pha 2 then there wouldn't be an issue? Or is there something wrong with the pha 2 as well? Sorry if it's an incredibly dumb question. Its just that some people here use external DAC/amps or just can external amp.
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Originally Posted by mannp View Post
 

 

Its been none stop reading in my spare time to try not to blow the wallet up, but it then comes down to wanting to improve my ZX1 listening experience and now! :biggrin:

 

I'm trying to improve on my Shure 530's to get the most out of the ZX1 with my Indie, Jazz and occasional classical music, so will try some Shure 846's at Shure, who I believe are over the same way as Hand Held Audio, so can then drop in and try a few iems out at the same time; thanks for the pointer.

 

There is always the 4S/C with the F/R switch that I've been reading about, to give me two different sound signatures in one device; which is cool, if possible.

 

And the K10 looks cool if it replaces my need for some over ears at a later stage, then I can justify the price tag!

 

Happy to report, I have my trousers back, washed and ironed, kleenex box ready and all ready to go :D 

 

Cheers for the help

Replied to your pm earlier, just seen this, If you do go HHA let me know what you think on the 846 especially as both our ears have heard the 530's although will be no competition between the two.  Worth listening to any of those Noble's first as they certainly have more present accurate highs than the old 530's with deeper sub bass range and be more detailed if choosing N4 and above. 

 

If you got the K10's you should not need buy another pair of iem's or ciem's again from what I keep hearing! So work out cost of owning something like that over a long term as won't be buying mid price one's every year or so then does not work out so costly if you break it down.  That's what I tell myself anyway.  

 

Don't quote me as I have not heard them. but sounds like in theory you might get possibly that N4 & N5 experience with the FR iem which if it does would be a worthy contender as it could be handy for when you come across that classical piece then want to switch for a rock session! 

 

Any of those above should sound good with the ZX1, just will be a case which suits your personal signature or music at end of the day.  

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Originally Posted by Dumbleroar View Post

So this SNR reading. If the zx1 suffers due to this, if you used the pha 2 then there wouldn't be an issue? Or is there something wrong with the pha 2 as well? Sorry if it's an incredibly dumb question. Its just that some people here use external DAC/amps or just can external amp.

 

If you use an external amp with the ZX1's line out it would bypass the inbuilt amplifier and should eliminate the hiss. I think Soomal talks a little about this in the article.

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