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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post


The Pico power is definitively a very good amp but I find the Pico slim to be a better amp with iems, the power is an overkill with the iems, you have to attenuate the amp to such an extent that the slim sounds better at that volume level. I never had any hissing issues with any of Justin's amps, they are very well made.

I find that I like the overall sound quality of the Pico Power better.  The power gives better sense of dynamics and headroom that I'm used to when listening the JH13pro on a really good desktop amps.  The Pico slim is still pretty impressive though, but I prefer the Power sound wise.  Aesthetically and convenience factors speaking, the Pico slim wins hand down.


Edited by purk - 6/3/14 at 3:21pm
post #5507 of 7457
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Originally Posted by PPCG View Post
 

Here is the way to increase the ZX1's output power

1. Make sure the xLoud & Clear Phase was checked in the sound setting

2. Lower down the volume

3. Go to Setting / Apps / ALL / Sound enhancements / then push "Disable" 

4. Enjoy!


After disable the Sound enhancements, EQ won't work anymore.

You have to restart the ZX1 to make it work again.

this is awesome volume trick! but why it works only with native sony app?

could it work with poweramp or other player? 

i want to use nwz-z1 with last.fm and native app doesont love it:\

post #5508 of 7457
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

it is a great match for sure, you wouldn't be disappointed.

 

Would I be disappointed with it against a Hugo, or is that a whole different conversation.

 

I'm trying to decide if the Hugo is worth the extra cash :) or whether money would be better spent on some sensitive iems with the ZX1 standalone.

 

Thoughts welcome :)

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Hugo seems amazing to everyone... haven't read a bad thing yet, but in my limited experience, you'd be better off investing in a better set of phones. Zx1 sounds awesome already, Hugo will definitely improve the sound, but I think you will ultimately be limited by your phones. Just my .02.
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Originally Posted by mannp View Post
 

 

Would I be disappointed with it against a Hugo, or is that a whole different conversation.

 

I'm trying to decide if the Hugo is worth the extra cash :) or whether money would be better spent on some sensitive iems with the ZX1 standalone.

 

Thoughts welcome :)

 

it's the same conversation as the PHA-2 is a great DAC/Amp and will give a great performance SQ wise for the price.

 

I got to listen to the Hugo for the first time today, you have to first take into consideration that the Chord cost almost 4x the price of the Sony but is it worth it?... I can honestly say it is the most awesome bit of kit I have ever heard headphones with, it is musically staggering the amount of detail it conveys... the is one piece of kit that really is a serious upgrade and a proverbial bargain, you really do have to get a listen of one... before you ask it didn't bother me going back to my Walkman, we still love each other.  

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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

Hugo seems amazing to everyone... haven't read a bad thing yet, but in my limited experience, you'd be better off investing in a better set of phones. Zx1 sounds awesome already, Hugo will definitely improve the sound, but I think you will ultimately be limited by your phones. Just my .02.

 

That was my thought also.

 

Edit: After dealing with Senn re iE 800, I'll see if there is anything better out there first.

 

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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

it's the same conversation as the PHA-2 is a great DAC/Amp and will give a great performance SQ wise for the price.

 

I got to listen to the Hugo for the first time today, you have to first take into consideration that the Chord cost almost 4x the price of the Sony but is it worth it?... I can honestly say it is the most awesome bit of kit I have ever heard headphones with, it is musically staggering the amount of detail it conveys... the is one piece of kit that really is a serious upgrade and a proverbial bargain, you really do have to get a listen of one... before you ask it didn't bother me going back to my Walkman, we still love each other.  

 

Thats what I wanted to know; thanks :-) is that with your Noble 4..iems (sorry can't recall the exact model you stated in previous responses)

 

If I buy the PHA-2 the Hugo will blow it away and I can get it in the UK, so UK support I believe.

 

Ok cool, so you still can go back without the Hugo, thats good to know, as I really want to just carry the iems and ZX1 without any dac, so it would need to blow me away to spend that and carry it.

 

But seeing as how many clothes and shoes the wife seems to buy, I am the mug not buying a Hugo :D 


Edited by mannp - 6/6/14 at 8:12am
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post #5513 of 7457
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

Hugo seems amazing to everyone... haven't read a bad thing yet, but in my limited experience, you'd be better off investing in a better set of phones. Zx1 sounds awesome already, Hugo will definitely improve the sound, but I think you will ultimately be limited by your phones. Just my .02.

 

Take a quick look at the headphones many in this thread own and tell me they are 'limited' by their headphones with the Hugo. I have one of the more modest collections of cans amidst some of the fanatics here, but I can assure you that they all benefit immensely from a DAC that is this resolving-yet-forgiving with everything from 96/24 to YT vids and Deezer internet streaming. Whether you consider any of these to be top tier or not doesnt concern me - they are MY top tier at this point in time and each has taken on a new dimension courtesy of the Hugo.

 

- Audeze LCD2R2 and LCD-X

- Senn HD800

- Philips Fidelio X1

- NAD HP50

- Shure SE425

 

As I said, a modest collection and not a single Stax or Abyss in that mix, but have little doubt that the owners of those phones - assuming they are properly amped - would find the Hugo an excellent DAC/preamp, serving up all the detail and resolution their cans need to shine. For the rest of us, there are basically two camps and I believe I have both neatly covered with the LCD-X and the HD800, even if switching straight from one to another takes some getting used to. 

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Not arguing that point, I just offered my pov when he asked what would be better to do. For me, from the differences I've noted between amped and non amped (dacs included) are not as pronounced as going from and inferior phone to a superior phone.
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

Not arguing that point, I just offered my pov when he asked what would be better to do. For me, from the differences I've noted between amped and non amped (dacs included) are not as pronounced as going from and inferior phone to a superior phone.
Agreed...

I was doing some reminiscing last weekend, found my Sennheiser MX5 (very original version), MX400, Sony MDR-E747, and Sennheiser IE8 - all (even the IE8) sounded like garbage compared to the IE800 I use these days - all from the same source / amp...

I suppose, to act as mediator, I should say that even the more lowly products can sound great / fantastic - if they all have good synergy with each other, it is just that some items synergise more easily than others...
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Anyone pairing c435 with zx1? Am experiencing hissing issue.
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Hi, I'm new in the forum. It's a great forum for portable hifi indeed. Been looking around for similar issue but unable to find it. So I'll try to post my concern here. Your comment is highly appreciated.

 

I have the ZX1. Using it with Audeze LCD-X and Naim DAC V1 (using WMC-NH10 cable). I also use Naim DAC V1 and Naim NAP 100 for speakers. Other than the ZX1, my Macbook and Audirvana is my other source. My songs are all 24 bit with varying samples.

 

Sound coming from Macbook is definitely better than that from ZX1. ZX1 sound is too flat while Audirvana and macbook pumps out warmer sound. Upon checking the USB status on the DAC V1, I found that ZX1 actually deliver 16bit instead of 24bit data. Can anyone confirm this?

 

I'd like to attach some pictures of my setup, but since I'm new I guess I'm not allowed. I have them on my dropbox for you to view:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m78q3g7vyp7g10/_DSC3205.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh54faebm88g3au/_DSC3204.jpg

post #5518 of 7457
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Originally Posted by ekindangen View Post

Hi, I'm new in the forum. It's a great forum for portable hifi indeed. Been looking around for similar issue but unable to find it. So I'll try to post my concern here. Your comment is highly appreciated.

I have the ZX1. Using it with Audeze LCD-X and Naim DAC V1 (using WMC-NH10 cable). I also use Naim DAC V1 and Naim NAP 100 for speakers. Other than the ZX1, my Macbook and Audirvana is my other source. My songs are all 24 bit with varying samples.

Sound coming from Macbook is definitely better than that from ZX1. ZX1 sound is too flat while Audirvana and macbook pumps out warmer sound. Upon checking the USB status on the DAC V1, I found that ZX1 actually deliver 16bit instead of 24bit data. Can anyone confirm this?

I'd like to attach some pictures of my setup, but since I'm new I guess I'm not allowed. I have them on my dropbox for you to view:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m78q3g7vyp7g10/_DSC3205.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh54faebm88g3au/_DSC3204.jpg
Welcome to Head-Fi!

Have to say your Naim DAC looks very nice smily_headphones1.gif

Re 16 bit, yes - is common for Android to output USB as 16 bit (even if software provides 24 bit - although I question how often this is done 'natively')... I do not have access to a ZX1 (went a different route) - however - wondering if it is worth you getting (at the very least, the time limited trial version of) USB Audio Player Pro from Google Play, just to see if this (with its circumvention of the Android USB protocols) will output 24 bit to your DAC...

I personally do not believe there will be an issue, however - not having a ZX1 - I cannot confirm the compatibility of DAP and APP...

Let us know smily_headphones1.gif
post #5519 of 7457
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Originally Posted by ekindangen View Post
 

Hi, I'm new in the forum. It's a great forum for portable hifi indeed. Been looking around for similar issue but unable to find it. So I'll try to post my concern here. Your comment is highly appreciated.

 

I have the ZX1. Using it with Audeze LCD-X and Naim DAC V1 (using WMC-NH10 cable). I also use Naim DAC V1 and Naim NAP 100 for speakers. Other than the ZX1, my Macbook and Audirvana is my other source. My songs are all 24 bit with varying samples.

 

Sound coming from Macbook is definitely better than that from ZX1. ZX1 sound is too flat while Audirvana and macbook pumps out warmer sound. Upon checking the USB status on the DAC V1, I found that ZX1 actually deliver 16bit instead of 24bit data. Can anyone confirm this?

 

I'd like to attach some pictures of my setup, but since I'm new I guess I'm not allowed. I have them on my dropbox for you to view:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m78q3g7vyp7g10/_DSC3205.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh54faebm88g3au/_DSC3204.jpg

 

FWIW, someone posted measurements which seemed to indicate that the ZX1 may even have trouble delivering the full 16-bits but those of us who like the sound anyway have largely ignored those measurements. Of all my headphones, the Sony sounds best with the most u-shaped of the bunch, my Yamaha EPH-100 - that tells me where Sony wanted their 'hi-res' player to sit in the DAP market. 

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The problem with the ZX1 is that the noise floor is so high that all dynamic range benefits from 24 bit audio are rendered pointless. Now that I have gotten a Nuforce Primo 8 review unit I can immediately tell that the ZX1 produces more hiss/noise than the iPhone 5S. Again this is not to say the ZX1 is not a good audio player in its own right compared to many Android smartphones. As a dedicated audio device though, based on the measurements and my own volume matched A/Bing, it does not appear to deliver better performance than a 5th generation iPod Touch.
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