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Originally Posted by georgelai57 View Post

Thanks guys for the replies re LOD. At least I know how to connect to a generic amp with 3.5mm input.

I just tested the ZX-1 at Sony's own flagship store here in Singapore two hours ago and even using the proprietary cable supplied with the new PHA-2 amp, they couldn't get it to connect to the ZX-1. What a let down. Apparently pairing the two would allow native DSD playback but alas ...

 

I think your talking about the WM-Port>mini-USB... you can only use that connector if the PHA-2 is being fed DSD/Hi-Res by the ZX1-F886/7... for Red-Book lossless or mp3 you use the line-out or headphone-out, hth.

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I just downloaded my first DSD tracks through the intrigue, but as here in the UK the real only mainstream material site is not available yet I tried some tracks from the bluecoast records and as I was after some tracks that had a bit of everything instrument wise went with the All stars jam EP which has a few of the record labels artist all together for the first time including this female singer Melissa Reece who sings on two of the five tracks does a rootsy soul/blues version of Adele's rolling in the deep which is interesting.  

 

This was a 64DSD (2.8mhz DSF) download and with my Sony MDR-7520's with the ZX1 have to say was something else in terms of clarity, depth and naturalness I have not heard from any of the flac 24 bit recordings thus far which is saying something as 24 bit can sound stella when done right.  Not sure if this is because this was recorded in one hit in the studio and has not had much filtering done to it but this sounded close to listening to it in the studio as I perceivably could get (so wonder how much more a 5.6mhz 128DSD files would muster to the ears?) 

 

My 7520 cans which only real place of improvement could be personally desired by me would be the sound stage width: maybe akin to a pair of open backs or half way there would be good  and this DSD All stars jam EP really opened my Sony cans up big time and had lost any narrow, restrictive listening that can sometimes be experienced with these when the recordings are not top notch but this was on another level to anything else I have heard on the ZX1 so far.  

 

Only if I could buy some more mainstream albums in DSD (if only recorded in native) to experience audio nirvana with albums I already own.  Just a shame the hardware is now been pushed by the company's but the labels seem to be dragging there heels in making mainstream material available "to all territory's".

 

Still yet to listen to this DSD music with my JH16's which i am hoping will be another experience all together but if all DSD recordings in the future (excepting any poor remaster attempts) will definitely make me rethink my future file format if the material availability ever takes off with hopefully cheaper recording production costs and a ZX2 that will either house at least a 500gb flash drive for these huge files or finally add a sd card slot to help alleviate the big DSD file sizes.  

 

Anyone else downloading any DSD music on their ZX1 at the moment, if so; Who? 

post #5358 of 7455
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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post
 

Anyone else downloading any DSD music on their ZX1 at the moment, if so; Who? 

 

Not sure what you require as to the source for your DSD's, but are you familiar with Steven Wilson the artist (Porcupine Tree) and perfectionist re-mixer of numerous major albums (Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake & Palmer, etc.). His material is always released on DVDA, DSD, or BluRay.

 

Wiki LINK      Home Page LINK     Remixes LINK


Edited by burtomr - 5/21/14 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

I think your talking about the WM-Port>mini-USB... you can only use that connector if the PHA-2 is being fed DSD/Hi-Res by the ZX1-F886/7... for Red-Book lossless or mp3 you use the line-out or headphone-out, hth.


.... I do use the supplied WM-port to miniUSB with simple 192 AAC files and FLAC files. It outputs sound no problem.

post #5360 of 7455
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

Not sure what you require as to the source for your DSD's, but are you familiar with Steven Wilson the artist (Porcupine Tree) and perfectionist re-mixer of numerous major albums (Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake & Palmer, etc.). His material is always released on DVDA, DSD, or BluRay.

 

Wiki LINK      Home Page LINK     Remixes LINK

As Porcupine Tree I certainly remember but not so familiar with his other works.   Source will be ZX1 or laptop through a DAC for DSD's.  Checking out the links though cheer's.  

post #5361 of 7455
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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post
 

I just downloaded my first DSD tracks through the intrigue, but as here in the UK the real only mainstream material site is not available yet I tried some tracks from the bluecoast records and as I was after some tracks that had a bit of everything instrument wise went with the All stars jam EP which has a few of the record labels artist all together for the first time including this female singer Melissa Reece who sings on two of the five tracks does a rootsy soul/blues version of Adele's rolling in the deep which is interesting.  

 

This was a 64DSD (2.8mhz DSF) download and with my Sony MDR-7520's with the ZX1 have to say was something else in terms of clarity, depth and naturalness  

 

Anyone else downloading any DSD music on their ZX1 at the moment, if so; Who? 

I'm not "downloading" any music, but since firmware update, have been converting cd rips to DSD. I have been so impressed, I purchased a Sony HAP-S1, and I'm blown away with the sonic quality ! ( As you say, clarity, depth & naturalness, are apt descriptions. )

I'm told it's not "true DSD", but a sort of "upsampling". ( You need to buy the HAP-Z1ES, for "true DSD", which has a DSD Remastering Engine. ) I couldn't go to that expense, but I'm more than pleased with my Walkman & HAP-S1 player. I'd describe my musical listening experience as a "transformation", now....like nothing I've heard before.

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Chinese site Soomal reviews the ZX1 (in Chinese), with measurements lifted off an E-MU1616m (admittedly not the ideal test rig):

http://www.soomal.com/doc/10100004953.htm

 

SNR measurements are terrible --- ENOB is <16-bits, but that's pretty much expected for any PWM-based D/A conversion system like the S-Master HX.

 

Distortion and crosstalk are quite respectable, however, and that speaks to the extra care taken with the power supply and LPF caps.

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Anyone using an amp with their zx1? I have an intruder but have been using the zx1 by itself until tonight. Anyway, using the LOD, it sounds so much different, almost masked. I tried using the HO, sounds so much better. Is the DAC part of the intruder hurting the SQ? It really is night & day difference.
post #5364 of 7455
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

Anyone using an amp with their zx1? I have an intruder but have been using the zx1 by itself until tonight. Anyway, using the LOD, it sounds so much different, almost masked. I tried using the HO, sounds so much better. Is the DAC part of the intruder hurting the SQ? It really is night & day difference.

The onboard amp on the ZX1 is quite good actually.  Unless you own a highend portable such as the Pico Power & Triad L3, you may not be able to tell difference.  In some instance, an external amp will sound worst than the ZX1's phone out.

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The amp of the intruder sounds great (using the headphone out of zx1), just when I used the LOD to the Intruder it sounds worse. I'm seriously considering adding the PHA-2.
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If you add the PHA-2, I understand that you can then play DSD natively.
post #5367 of 7455
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The amp of the intruder sounds great (using the headphone out of zx1), just when I used the LOD to the Intruder it sounds worse. I'm seriously considering adding the PHA-2.

 

Obviously not good enough compared to my Pico Power.  My Pico power with the ZX1's line out is a significant step up in term of sound quality.  My Pico Slim is on par if not slightly better than the ZX1's headphone out though.

post #5368 of 7455
I was thinking about adding a slim amp, Pico was on that list. Sounds like that might be a good choice. Disappointed with the Intruder at this point. I'm waiting on a balanced cable for it, if that does not improve SQ significantly I will sell it.

I wonder what would be better, pha-2 or Pico slim? id prefer Pico due to its size...
post #5369 of 7455
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Originally Posted by georgelai57 View Post

If you add the PHA-2, I understand that you can then play DSD natively.

I believe you are correct. I don't have any yet though.
post #5370 of 7455
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Originally Posted by warrior1975 View Post

I was thinking about adding a slim amp, Pico was on that list. Sounds like that might be a good choice. Disappointed with the Intruder at this point. I'm waiting on a balanced cable for it, if that does not improve SQ significantly I will sell it.

I wonder what would be better, pha-2 or Pico slim? id prefer Pico due to its size...

I would go with the PHA2 if you don't mind the size.  The Pico slim maybe a side step or a slight improvement over stock headphone out sound.  I have the Pico Power/Slim/DAC & Amp.....and the Pico Power wins hand down on the sound quality following by the Slim & Pico DAC/Amp.  This is for JH13pro only though.

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