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post #4411 of 7503
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

The Zx2 is going to be released soon? Isn't that more in the distant... more than 6 months future?
Likely near Christmas this year. Nothing official all based in Japanese bloggers firsthand info.
post #4412 of 7503
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
 

I hope to test the zx-1 in a near future but I assume based on what I have read Ie800 and ZX-1 should be a better pairing than F111 but once again it comes down to preference. 

 

I honestly would not rush into purchasing the zx-1 considering the number of new flagships daps which are due in span of lets say maximum 6 months. Just wait it up if you can. 


Same old problem though, there is always something new and possibly better within 6 months of most purchases!  Wave of upcoming players in next few months then possibly ZX2 at end of year then Q1 2015 DX150/200?? or A+K 100mkIII etc etc.  Its the same with all electronics, tv.s updated sometimes twice yearly.  CPU's and GPU's on yearly cycles, the list goes on.

post #4413 of 7503
Well this time we know it is certain to come in a near future , of ourse in this hobby there is almost always something be coming and with folks lol astell&kern who just release anything they deem ready nothing is certain .
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Here is an small fact of mine: I also have a Creative Z on my desktop computer. That thing is supposed to have 124 db in SNR, if I plug my XBA-H3 into it the sound quality is on par with the F886. If I, however, use the PHA-2 as a sound card, the bass and low frequency regions become extremely clear. Highs remain more or less the same. I haven't hear the clip+ but if difference is as in the previous review, then it must be a bit above of the creative z too, just as the ZX1. (P. D. I can hear differences between mp3 and flac quite easily but not so between AAC and flac...)
post #4415 of 7503
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Originally Posted by sonicaudio View Post
 

 

Great suggestions.  I think the FAD Heaven VI would be a good match for the ZX1.  My other suggestions for UIEMS to go with the ZX1 would be:

 

Fitear TG334

Tralucent 1plus2

AKG K3003

FAD FI-BA-SS

Sennheiser IE800

Shure SE846

 

Following this thread I've read that a few people are planning to use $100 to $150 iems with the ZX1.  Personally I think it's a wasted exercise to buy a flagship dap and use earphones that are not capable of revealing the resolution and transparency of that dap.

 

While I understand everyone has different audio preferences I think that whatever the total amount of money is spent on gear (dap, dac, amp, etc.) the same amount should be spent on iems.  So a $900 dap should be paired with $900+ iems.  Go on, you know you deserve it!

Totally agree with you ! I have read about all the iems you have mentioned , but the price is way way to high for my budget :D lol I would go right for the AKG K3003 or UM IF I could
I made that list for ,maybe, someppl like me whose budget is limited but want to go all in for the ZX1 . I know many of iems below 400$ wont do ZX1 justice , but I think some of them may not be bad at all , like in this review of ZX1 on whathifi , he tested it with a Beyerdynamic MMX 101iE . These might not the best but might be good enough for people dont have much experience with audio equipments to realize all the different , especially those iems I have mentioned are actually outperformed well over their price tag ,comparable to some much more expensive . For examples , the RHA MA750 is really a strong contestant to the famous VSonic GR07 which is somewhat not so far from the UM3X based on what I have read . And then there is Dunu DN-1000 - such a serious deal breaker , compared to IE800 -  it is five times the price with a very slight gain in refinement or even K3003 - though again it’s hard to justify the price difference based on the performance gap between the two earphones .
Of course , there are clear differences among mid-range iems and high-range , however , to ppl with limited audio experience like me , the differences may not be so apparent to enjoy music without desiring so much more ... at least until we get more money to dig deep into this passion :P 
I also agree that earphones (all kinds) is the most important upgrade when talking about sound quality , but ZX1 really hit that sweet pot between design , sound quality , build quality , functionality to beat all other competitors (considering all that aspects) that may appear to a larger crowd . To me personally , if some one would give an AK240 I would still can't use it without dreaming about/ glancing at ZX1 every now and then and eventually I would sell it to buy ZX1 . Simply because , again , as a person lacking in audio experience , sound quality is not the utmost important (still very important) . ZX1 sings so well and looks so refined in such extraordinary way ... and I felt in love :">

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Music225: I am somewhat confused by your post but it might be my bad english: You say Headphones (quality) is more importend than DAP quality. But also you say that you are unexperienced? You want the ZX1 for personal reasons (what others are there?). If I was on a budged I would not give a damn about the "rouls" stated here I would by the device I can afford and want the most and compromise as much as I have to on the rest. And if this ment that I had to plug my apple headphone in which came with my phone: who is there to judge me? If you are young you might get (hopefully) in a financial better position later in live to afford all the tec you want. Till than make your desitions without making too many rules. Thous can be expensive.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Music225 View Post
 

Totally agree with you ! I have read about all the iems you have mentioned , but the price is way way to high for my budget :D lol I would go right for the AKG K3003 or UM IF I could
I made that list for ,maybe, someppl like me whose budget is limited but want to go all in for the ZX1 . I know many of iems below 400$ wont do ZX1 justice , but I think some of them may not be bad at all , like in this review of ZX1 on whathifi , he tested it with a Beyerdynamic MMX 101iE . These might not the best but might be good enough for people dont have much experience with audio equipments to realize all the different , especially those iems I have mentioned are actually outperformed well over their price tag ,comparable to some much more expensive . For examples , the RHA MA750 is really a strong contestant to the famous VSonic GR07 which is somewhat not so far from the UM3X based on what I have read . And then there is Dunu DN-1000 - such a serious deal breaker , compared to IE800 -  it is five times the price with a very slight gain in refinement or even K3003 - though again it’s hard to justify the price difference based on the performance gap between the two earphones .
Of course , there are clear differences among mid-range iems and high-range , however , to ppl with limited audio experience like me , the differences may not be so apparent to enjoy music without desiring so much more ... at least until we get more money to dig deep into this passion :P 
I also agree that earphones (all kinds) is the most important upgrade when talking about sound quality , but ZX1 really hit that sweet pot between design , sound quality , build quality , functionality to beat all other competitors (considering all that aspects) that may appear to a larger crowd . To me personally , if some one would give an AK240 I would still can't use it without dreaming about/ glancing at ZX1 every now and then and eventually I would sell it to buy ZX1 . Simply because , again , as a person lacking in audio experience , sound quality is not the utmost important (still very important) . ZX1 sings so well and looks so refined in such extraordinary way ... and I felt in love :">

 

Totally understand.  ZX1 is a complete package so it's receiving attention not just for the sound quality.  I'm mainly interested in the sound quality so I'll need to find out how it pairs with my iem.

 

My statement regarding pairing inappropriate iems with the ZX1 was literally targeted at only a few pots I read in this thread and I'm really preaching to the choir because most people interested in the ZX1 already have a great collection of iems.

 

I thought that you raised a good point about what iems would be suited with the ZX1 and I thought your post deserved more attention.

post #4418 of 7503
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

 

Personally, I believe in headphones/earphones first and source second. My experience was with the AK120... when I paired it with the Kaedes, it didn't really... sound much differently let's say. I'd rather roll earphones first than sources. I've come to believe that the earphones impact the sound more than the source, of course people may disagree with that, but that's my personal experience.

What other new flagship daps are out there waiting to be released? so far I only know of the Cowon Plenue.

 

What dap/source were you using with the Kaedes before you got the AK120?

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Originally Posted by Ilkyway View Post
 

Music225: I am somewhat confused by your post but it might be my bad english: You say Headphones (quality) is more importend than DAP quality. But also you say that you are unexperienced? You want the ZX1 for personal reasons (what others are there?). If I was on a budged I would not give a damn about the "rouls" stated here I would by the device I can afford and want the most and compromise as much as I have to on the rest. And if this ment that I had to plug my apple headphone in which came with my phone: who is there to judge me? If you are young you might get (hopefully) in a financial better position later in live to afford all the tec you want. Till than make your desitions without making too many rules. Thous can be expensive.

 

 

 

I don;t understand so much what you meant , but I will try to say it again in an easier to understand way .

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"You say Headphones (quality) is more importend than DAP quality"

-> this is just my opinion and also the opinion of some others . That is , to some ppl , the earphone will make more improvement on sound quality THAN DAP do . For example ,  apple earphones with ZX1 may not sound as good as mobile phone/100$ mp3 player with some 900$ earphones like AKG K3003

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 But also you say that you are unexperienced?

-> Yes , I haven't tested/tried many earphones or daps before . I just often read a lot about these stuff
 

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 You want the ZX1 for personal reasons (what others are there?)

-> Well :D , simply , I casually browsed the internet for article about these kinds of stuff - IEMs, mp3 player , gadget ,.. , and I thought to myself that if some company would make a product that ... (has some similarities to the design of ZX1 with good sound quality) I would save all the money I would spend on other things to spend on that . Then one day I happened to find ZX1 , I felt really awesome that there was indeed a product that matched so much my preference , I read reviews on it , they said it sound great , they are not overpriced (very expensive but on par with other DAP of the same quality, price-range ) . I investigated more on their advantages and disadvantages , but no matter what , I would totally buy this not anything else , IF I had that amount of money =))

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 And if this ment that I had to plug my apple headphone in which came with my phone: who is there to judge me?

So you are listening ZX1 with a pair of apple headphone , right ? No headfier will judge you on that at all :etysmile: it's what good to you that matters .
But if you want some friendly advice from us - fellow headfiers , we would suggest you buy a better pair of iems to match the quality of our beloved ZX1, you dont need much , from 100$ and above is enough to raise the quality of your experience right now, I believe your budget is capable of it . I noticed that you also are not a professional audiophile , so if you could tell us what kind of earphone you like , we would be very glad to help you pick a good one ! You could tell us about how you want it to look like , colors , shape ,...etc or what kind of music you prefer to better chose the right item for your taste

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 If you are young you might get (hopefully) in a financial better position later in live to afford all the tec you want. Till than make your desitions without making too many rules. Thous can be expensive.
 

Thank you :D , hope one day I will have a good financial background to backup my enthusiasm for high quality sound . Right now , I just make do with what I've got .

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Originally Posted by Music225 View Post

 

-> Well :D , simply , I casually browsed the internet for article about these kinds of stuff - IEMs, mp3 player , gadget ,.. , and I thought to myself that if some company would make a product that ... (has some similarities to the design of ZX1 with good sound quality) I would save all the money I would spend on other things to spend on that . Then one day I happened to find ZX1 , I felt really awesome that there was indeed a product that matched so much my preference , I read reviews on it , they said it sound great , they are not overpriced (very expensive but on par with other DAP of the same quality, price-range ) . I investigated more on their advantages and disadvantages , but no matter what , I would totally buy this not anything else , IF I had that amount of money =))

 


Fist: you did some effort to explain your thoughts. Thanks to that.

 

And to the above: I can totally relate to that. I went frequently to a couple of sites in the net to check if they have eventually managed to build my player. When I so it on one of these occasions on the Sony Site I taught: hey they got it nearly perfectly right! And for the headphones: don't bother, I am god.

 

Ilkyway

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Originally Posted by Ilkyway View Post
 

Music225: I am somewhat confused by your post but it might be my bad english: You say Headphones (quality) is more importend than DAP quality. But also you say that you are unexperienced? You want the ZX1 for personal reasons (what others are there?). If I was on a budged I would not give a damn about the "rouls" stated here I would by the device I can afford and want the most and compromise as much as I have to on the rest. And if this ment that I had to plug my apple headphone in which came with my phone: who is there to judge me? If you are young you might get (hopefully) in a financial better position later in live to afford all the tec you want. Till than make your desitions without making too many rules. Thous can be expensive.

 

 

 

 

If Music225 used apple earbuds with his zx1 I would judge him!  But clearly he knows better so let's not go there. :bigsmile_face:

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Originally Posted by McCol View Post
 


Same old problem though, there is always something new and possibly better within 6 months of most purchases!  Wave of upcoming players in next few months then possibly ZX2 at end of year then Q1 2015 DX150/200?? or A+K 100mkIII etc etc.  Its the same with all electronics, tv.s updated sometimes twice yearly.  CPU's and GPU's on yearly cycles, the list goes on.

Sony is way back in the pack, although they were almost 3rd/4th when 'audiophile' daps were being released. Without the DSD support, they've gone all the way back to the list! Most of the newer & upcoming daps are coming out the DSD. Although DSD hasnt caught on yet, for me having the latest software & capabilities is a must! By the time ZX-2 with DSD who knows how forward we'll be.

 

It's like they are waiting to see what is happening when other companies are going ahead.

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think I'll head out of this thread for a while...:confused_face:

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Originally Posted by sonicaudio View Post
 

 

If Music225 used apple earbuds with his zx1 I would judge him!  But clearly he knows better so let's not go there. :bigsmile_face:

=)) I won't ... EVER ! I don't mean to offend anyone but if one day apple magically manage to make the best earphone of all time , surpass everything will be available in the next eon , and someone decides to give it to me , I will sell it right away without any hesitation , and if they give it to me on condition that I can not sell it , then I will give it to my sister and sometimes later , ask her to buy me something nice : ))

Seriously though , I narrow my consideration to a few pairs :

MA750 if I cant afford any bit more


Dunu-1000 might be the best bet , but to me it look rather silly - glossy metal with dwarf housing , it's like a cylinder which is so compressed that the bottom spread out . might consider the soon-tobe-released DN-2000 if there will be different colors , that golden yellow/copper doesn't work with the design of ZX1 at all
(Dont laugh at me here for I choose iems like shopping for clothes : ))) I actually don't care about clothes at all , I wear what is comfortable , no style matters to me. But no matter how good the sound is , it will bug me to end when my combo looks like the components are having a battle against eachother , it will be extremely uncomfortable for me personally . In fact I had a pair of Nuforce NE-700x , I had fit issue, it hurt my ears after hours of listening , its sound quality was okay ,good at that price, clear improvement from hm777[stock iem of W995] , I could clearly see there were so many things missing/so many room for improvement , but I sucked it all up and could say I actually quite enjoy it ..while it lasted)

Or I could pick heaven IV at the same price range ,shipping to my country will be costlier though , these FAD guys are unpopular so I'm not sure exactly how they sound like , how they can be compared

 

Up the ante , I might get the heaven VI , but from here , there opens up the choice of CIEMs besides other universal contestants . Good lord , I dont get headache from weighing different options !

AX60 seem almost perfect to my taste until the issues I mentioned in that topic . Buying it is a fishy gamble , a gamble I'd rather put on UE 900 (quality control issue , so many headfiers got it broken )

Or J-phonic k2 sp , not sure how to order overboard , it's semi-custom

Or maybe Unique Melody 3x , but I haven't done much research on this price-range (the range I can reach but not the one I'm willing to pay)

 

The most solid choices to me up until now , is between Dunu-1000 and heaven IV ..... (post is too long , feel shouldn't write more , it's all really personal opinion , might not helpful for the thread)

 

 

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think I'll head out of this thread for a while...:confused_face:

Fear not my friend , I believe you will enjoy laughing while reading my post :D we should continue

post #4425 of 7503
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Originally Posted by Music225 View Post
 

Right I should have made myself clear :
1)  First if anyone want to buy these , we'd like to know if they can ship to other countries , how they will do it and how much
 

2) As stated in this step of purchase of this item VC516-57-ZX1 :

https://www.shopmaker.jp/adv2/pro/order.cgi?user=cp005883&rm=html

★あと16,955円お買い上げいただくと送料無料です。

Google translated => ★ It is free shipping on orders over 16,955 yen later.

 

But on other item VC540-00-ZX1 :
https://www.shopmaker.jp/adv2/pro/order.cgi?user=cp005883&rm=html

★あと10,760円お買い上げいただくと送料無料です。
Google translated => ★ It is free shipping on orders over 10,760 yen later.

 

Does that mean this "free shipping" only apply to the same product or you can buy other products to at least 10,760 yen in total in order to apply the free shipping policy ?

Is this free shipping only apply to Japan

 

1) Answer is no. They will not ship overseas. If Amazon Japan decides to order a few specific models from Van Nuys and ships it overseas that's Amazon Japan's policy. Vannuys is strictly Japan only. So the free shipping in (2) is in Japan only too.

 

2) I'm going to guess they haven't updated their pages properly to refelect the same pricing for free shipment qualification.

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