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I read your review and it left me quite perplexed.  It stated that the sony zx1 without eq sounds the same as a $30 clip+.  What are you using as your evaluation criteria and at what volume are you listening to those devices?  Are there any differences between the devices such as:

 

- Bass (tightness/muddiness)

- Clarity in the mids

- Treble (smooth/harshness/grain)

- Soundstage (width/depth)

- Instrument separation

- Imaging/positioning

 

I've mainly been focussing on iems and only recently became interested in upgrading my source/dap.  At the level of the zx1 I think that most people will be looking for refinement.  I've found that refinement comes at a price and if you're enthusiastic about music like most people on head-fi the price is up to the person willing to purchase the device.  Personally I think that the incremental improvement is worth it within a certain budget.

 

I'm not trying to discredit your opinion; just interested to find out more information, whether you're really putting things straight amongst the fanboys.  My preference is for reference sound without eq so I look to buy portable audio that suits my preferred sound signature.  Unfortunately I'm not located in an area where I can easily go out and test iems and daps so once the zx1 is available in my area I'll be able to test is against my ipod classic 6g; I have a feeling that I would have the urge to upgrade after listening.


To be honest, my opinion is pretty simple. In blind testing, you'll not hear a difference between the Clip+ and the ZX1 if you leave all of the signal processing it offers off. You might hear more "refinement" in the ZX1 in sighted testing. If we go blind, you just will not be able to hear the difference between them reliably. That said, who cares? The ZX1 offers a ton of fine tuning that's really easy to access. "Reference" sound without EQ is just meaningless. I've been drinking tonight, a lot, so I might have to edit this in the morning. But I'm someone that wanted to find a player that just sounded like what I like (which is what I hear you saying) because I'm not that great at using an equalizer to make things sound better. The ZX1 has a couple checkboxes. You hit them, it sounds better. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know (or care) what it's doing. I just like it.

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To be honest, my opinion is pretty simple. In blind testing, you'll not hear a difference between the Clip+ and the ZX1 if you leave all of the signal processing it offers off. You might hear more "refinement" in the ZX1 in sighted testing. If we go blind, you just will not be able to hear the difference between them reliably. That said, who cares? The ZX1 offers a ton of fine tuning that's really easy to access. "Reference" sound without EQ is just meaningless. I've been drinking tonight, a lot, so I might have to edit this in the morning. But I'm someone that wanted to find a player that just sounded like what I like (which is what I hear you saying) because I'm not that great at using an equalizer to make things sound better. The ZX1 has a couple checkboxes. You hit them, it sounds better. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know (or care) what it's doing. I just like it.

What headphones did you use for the comparison? The Clip + didn't equal my x1060 Walkman in over all sound quality and I personally think that the zx1 is way better than the x-walkman....so I am curious about your findings as well.

Found your review....never mind.
Edited by purk - 3/21/14 at 10:10pm
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To be honest, my opinion is pretty simple. In blind testing, you'll not hear a difference between the Clip+ and the ZX1 if you leave all of the signal processing it offers off. You might hear more "refinement" in the ZX1 in sighted testing. If we go blind, you just will not be able to hear the difference between them reliably. That said, who cares? The ZX1 offers a ton of fine tuning that's really easy to access. "Reference" sound without EQ is just meaningless. I've been drinking tonight, a lot, so I might have to edit this in the morning. But I'm someone that wanted to find a player that just sounded like what I like (which is what I hear you saying) because I'm not that great at using an equalizer to make things sound better. The ZX1 has a couple checkboxes. You hit them, it sounds better. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know (or care) what it's doing. I just like it.

What headphones did you use for the comparison? The Clip + didn't equal my x1060 Walkman in over all sound quality and I personally think that the zx1 is way better than the x-walkman....so I am curious about your findings as well.

Found your review....never mind.

Glad you found it. I tried to use a good variety of equipment and tracks. And to be as transparent as possible. I know some will day I'm an idiot or deaf. But I just tried to be straightforward.

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Glad you found it. I tried to use a good variety of equipment and tracks. And to be as transparent as possible. I know some will day I'm an idiot or deaf. But I just tried to be straightforward.

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I'm curious, although this shouldn't be the thread for this question, but can you hear the difference between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC? I know I can't, at least with my preferred music. 

 

It might be that kind of relationship between the Clip and the ZX1.

 

Mine's still in customs ugh... probably will receive it by monday.

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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

I'm curious, although this shouldn't be the thread for this question, but can you hear the difference between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC? I know I can't, at least with my preferred music. 

 

It might be that kind of relationship between the Clip and the ZX1.

 

Mine's still in customs ugh... probably will receive it by monday.

 

I think your question is very relevant.  Does an mp3 and flac sound the same on the clip+?  And does an mp3 and flac sound the same on the zx1?  My guess is that there would be a noticeable difference on the zx1 because it can scale higher than the clip+.  I'll be interested to hear your thoughts once you receive the zx1.

 

Based on the previous conflicting opinions:

 

clip+ = zx1 (without eq), and

clip+ << x1060 <<< zx1

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Originally Posted by Music225 View Post
 

Hey guys , the thread is heading towards noticing tiny details . May I suggest discussing a different topic to make things fresh ?

What iems do you think would match the classy ZX1 in both design and sound quality ?
I have looked into this matter for a couple of days , here are my personal pick (mostly low-mid range budget , I wont talk about their sound because I dont have any , but you can use google or head fi for more details , overall their SQ are great , especially for the price)


This is a warm IEMs that is quite a bang for the bucks
RHA MA750 / MA 750i ~ 130$
 

 

The design is almost a 10 to me, hadn't it been for the gray cheap-lookig rubber cable . I really dont understand why would RHA chose this color over the one that is attached to the housing (1st picture) Is it cost so much more for a paint job :(
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This one to me is like the perfect partner for ZX1 , same classy , luxurious looking, but in a feminine way . So elegant !

Final Audio Design - Heaven VI ~ 400$

 

 

 

Available in 2 color , chrome or gold , personally I kind of find the gold silly , heaven V aging is much better

To be fair , Gold does look really nice , it just doesn't match our ZX1

 

 

Fancy ! Fancy !
 

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If that price is too high for you , check out Heaven IV ! It doesnt sound as good (still good though) but at half the price
Available in black and white !
Heaven IV ~ 195$ preorder / 131$ on rakuten


 
My personal taste actually is more in favor of the Heaven IV's finish
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Still pricey ?
Heaven II ~ 135$


 

I heard they pretty nailed it with decent sources (good DAC,AMP)

The absent of the brand name on the housing is a big drawback for me . The font they use emphasizes the design philosophy of heaven series , without it , they look rather bland . However , they are still really fine .
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One of the best competitor to the famous Dunu DN-1000
Astrotec AX60 ~ 360$

 

I absolutely love the look of the cable , the housing , the plug . Seem really of similar design to ZX1 , but ...

 

 

 

 

 

wait what ?
 

 

What is this inconsistency all about ? Not just the difference between the logos , instead of the brushed metal look on the left , the one on the right is just plain metal . What the hell ?

You may think "What's the big deal? It's just the finish!" . I understand, but living in a neighbouring country to China , I know far too well their notoriety of "quality" in everything they make to raise many questions . Believe me, ppl in Asia hate China more than the Westerns hate USA and that is for reasons , many , many .
Yes , I get it "Too bad for you , every thing is made in China!" ,even the Heaven IV (FAD products only available in Japan, other countries sell it through import ) above has a big line "Made In China" in the cable, but there are always some thing fishy about many companies located in China with everything executed in China, which Astrotec here is the case . Especially after seeing this inconsistency , I'd rather gamble on the often-broken UE900 , mind you it's nearly 400$ investment , it's big deal .

Any one knows Chinese , I found this , probably something interesting , not that a fake production line or some thing , rather a thread that worth reading about what they do

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To be continued with other iems ...

 

Great suggestions.  I think the FAD Heaven VI would be a good match for the ZX1.  My other suggestions for UIEMS to go with the ZX1 would be:

 

Fitear TG334

Tralucent 1plus2

AKG K3003

FAD FI-BA-SS

Sennheiser IE800

Shure SE846

 

Following this thread I've read that a few people are planning to use $100 to $150 iems with the ZX1.  Personally I think it's a wasted exercise to buy a flagship dap and use earphones that are not capable of revealing the resolution and transparency of that dap.

 

While I understand everyone has different audio preferences I think that whatever the total amount of money is spent on gear (dap, dac, amp, etc.) the same amount should be spent on iems.  So a $900 dap should be paired with $900+ iems.  Go on, you know you deserve it!

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The wises thing is to try them if you can. What head-fi taught me is that synergy is the key, dollar figure is not always the final word in SQ.

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The wises thing is to try them if you can. What head-fi taught me is that synergy is the key, dollar figure is not always the final word in SQ.

 

I partially agree with that because not everyone hears the same thing and not everyone appreciates good quality sound because it's subjective.  What I'm saying is that if a person has a set budget consider splitting it evenly between portable gear and good iems.  If it's part of the journey to upgrade one component at a time and live with a temporary bottleneck then that's all good.


Edited by sonicaudio - 3/22/14 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by sonicaudio View Post
 

 

I partially agree with that because not everyone hears the same thing and not everyone appreciates good quality sound because it's subjective.  What I'm saying is that if a person has a set budget consider splitting it evenly between portable gear and good iems.  If it's part of the journey to upgrade one component at a time and live with a temporary bottleneck then that's all good.

It would be great if someone had a high budget (2k) and they had no wondering mind for other gears. If you are active on head-fi long enough no matter how many TOTL gear you have you will always have a look out for other entries.

 

A lot of our bottlenecks are really not real, some are some aren't. 

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

It would be great if someone had a high budget (2k) and they had no wondering mind for other gears. If you are active on head-fi long enough no matter how many TOTL gear you have you will always have a look out for other entries.

A lot of our bottlenecks are really not real, some are some aren't. 

And if a person had a budget of $800 then maybe go for the f886, with or without amp and money left over for some quality iems.

Most importantly, how does your ie800 and f111 sound with zx1? And how does the AK120 compare to the zx1? What type of sound signature and strengths do they have?
Edited by sonicaudio - 3/22/14 at 1:33am
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And if a person had a budget of $800 then maybe go for the f886, with or without amp and money left over for some quality iems.

Most importantly, how does your ie800 and f111 sound with zx1?

I hope to test the zx-1 in a near future but I assume based on what I have read Ie800 and ZX-1 should be a better pairing than F111 but once again it comes down to preference. 

 

I honestly would not rush into purchasing the zx-1 considering the number of new flagships daps which are due in span of lets say maximum 6 months. Just wait it up if you can. 

post #4407 of 7455
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I hope to test the zx-1 in a near future but I assume based on what I have read Ie800 and ZX-1 should be a better pairing than F111 but once again it comes down to preference. 

I honestly would not rush into purchasing the zx-1 considering the number of new flagships daps which are due in span of lets say maximum 6 months. Just wait it up if you can. 

Thanks. I assumed you had the zx1 because you're so active on headfi.

I don't have access to trial quality daps at any local stores but the zx1 will be an exception due to Sony's worldwide distribution so I will definitely have a listen once it's available.
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Great suggestions.  I think the FAD Heaven VI would be a good match for the ZX1.  My other suggestions for UIEMS to go with the ZX1 would be:

 

Fitear TG334

Tralucent 1plus2

AKG K3003

FAD FI-BA-SS

Sennheiser IE800

Shure SE846

 

Following this thread I've read that a few people are planning to use $100 to $150 iems with the ZX1.  Personally I think it's a wasted exercise to buy a flagship dap and use earphones that are not capable of revealing the resolution and transparency of that dap.

 

While I understand everyone has different audio preferences I think that whatever the total amount of money is spent on gear (dap, dac, amp, etc.) the same amount should be spent on iems.  So a $900 dap should be paired with $900+ iems.  Go on, you know you deserve it!

 

Personally, I believe in headphones/earphones first and source second. My experience was with the AK120... when I paired it with the Kaedes, it didn't really... sound much differently let's say. I'd rather roll earphones first than sources. I've come to believe that the earphones impact the sound more than the source, of course people may disagree with that, but that's my personal experience.

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
 

I hope to test the zx-1 in a near future but I assume based on what I have read Ie800 and ZX-1 should be a better pairing than F111 but once again it comes down to preference. 

 

I honestly would not rush into purchasing the zx-1 considering the number of new flagships daps which are due in span of lets say maximum 6 months. Just wait it up if you can. 

What other new flagship daps are out there waiting to be released? so far I only know of the Cowon Plenue.

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Ibasso dx90, calyxM, shozy dap(one entry and one flagship), Sony zx-2 and of course cowon.
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Ibasso dx90, calyxM, shozy dap(one entry and one flagship), Sony zx-2 and of course cowon.

The Zx2 is going to be released soon? Isn't that more in the distant... more than 6 months future?

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