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Originally Posted by aerolord View Post

I must have missed it, are there any comparison between Sony F880 and ZX1?
Correct me if I'm wrong. ZX1 may sound technically better than F880, but in human ear, they are basically the same. ZX1 wins by sexy design , bigger battery and mostly, its 35the anniversary title.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. ZX1 may sound technically better than F880, but in human ear, they are basically the same. ZX1 wins by sexy design , bigger battery and mostly, its 35the anniversary title.
That's pretty much what I've gathered

Double the capacity double the price
post #3033 of 7455
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Correct me if I'm wrong. ZX1 may sound technically better than F880, but in human ear, they are basically the same. ZX1 wins by sexy design , bigger battery and mostly, its 35the anniversary title.

 

 

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That's pretty much what I've gathered

Double the capacity double the price

 

I thik OK_Guy mentioned that the two DAPs sound identical as he has both.  However, I suspect that the ZX-1 will edge out with a top flight earphones/headphones.  If you don't plan on buying a really expensive IEMs/CIEMs and don't need the capacity, I would stick with the F887 and save the money.  

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Originally Posted by guyuemuziye View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong. ZX1 may sound technically better than F880, but in human ear, they are basically the same. ZX1 wins by sexy design , bigger battery and mostly, its 35the anniversary title.
That's pretty much what I've gathered

Double the capacity double the price


that has always been sony's way of pricing daps :'( .

 

 

but if I may, they might sound the same at normal volume for not too sensitive and not too hard to drive cans, it's another story at very low volume with sensitive IEMs. from harassing members with PMs, I think I can conclude that the zx1 is overall more silent and so can be used at lower volumes than the f880.

I doubt the difference in power is really enough to be noticeable for hard to drive cans and an amp will be needed in both cases.

so out of the noise floor that won't matter for most sony lovers and is already better on the F880 than on any other sony I had, the zx1 doesn't bring much more than cosmetic and shielding. 

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that has always been sony's way of pricing daps :'( .

 

 

but if I may, they might sound the same at normal volume for not too sensitive and not too hard to drive cans, it's another story at very low volume with sensitive IEMs. from harassing members with PMs, I think I can conclude that the zx1 is overall more silent and so can be used at lower volumes than the f880.

I doubt the difference in power is really enough to be noticeable for hard to drive cans and an amp will be needed in both cases.

so out of the noise floor that won't matter for most sony lovers and is already better on the F880 than on any other sony I had, the zx1 doesn't bring much more than cosmetic and shielding. 

Thanks. That's something to keep in mind. i have seen some similar feedback about F880  in a Chinese hifi site. It could make a real difference when pairing with some very sensitive IEMs like togo334. 

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Originally Posted by guyuemuziye View Post


Correct me if I'm wrong. ZX1 may sound technically better than F880, but in human ear, they are basically the same. ZX1 wins by sexy design , bigger battery and mostly, its 35the anniversary title.

 

Does that make F880 'Audiophile' if they both sound familiar?

post #3037 of 7455

sure

:beerchug:

post #3038 of 7455
Yeah but let's say that you compared the F880 to the zx1 both using line out and the same amp

They would be the same wouldn't they?
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I'm wondering if anyone is pairing this with your more portable lower impedance headphones?  I would like to use my HD25s, DT1350s, and I'm considering the Aedle VK-1.  It would be nice to not carry an amp for when I'm taking walks....

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I know the ZX1 is low powered but apparently, transparent and very open sounding (large soundstage). But, how are the dynamics? I have a couple of low powered amps that sound very good but even with IEM's like the JH13 Pro, dynamics suffer some and more power equates to better dynamics and bass control. 

 

What is the issue with the line out? I will be making a LOD but haven't read much about issues with line out. Voltage, distortion? 


Edited by jamato8 - 1/11/14 at 1:31pm
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I know the ZX1 is low powered but apparently, transparent and very open sounding (large soundstage). But, how are the dynamics? I have a couple of low powered amps that sound very good but even with IEM's like the JH13 Pro, dynamics suffer some and more power equates to better dynamics and bass control. 

 

What is the issue with the line out? I will be making a LOD but haven't read much about issues with line out. Voltage, distortion? 

I think they're fantastic.  I wouldn't call the ZX1 low powered, exactly - as it's burned in it's started to sound pretty good even with my HD800.  It's certainly got plenty of power for any IEM.  With my MG6PROs it's got fantastic dynamics and real bass slam.  They've never sounded so good, even - by memory - out of full-size amps.

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The ZX1 has excellent dynamics with any phones with impedance under or around ~100 ohm give or take based on sensitivity. Much higher than that and the ZX1 sound starts to get a little stretched and overworked, typical of an under powered scenario. The good news is that ultra low impedance iems work excellently with the ZX1, it seems the power output does not falter at all at low impedance, in fact Its one the the ZX1's strongest areas, unlike other DAPS and amps which start to struggle at low impedance, the ZX1's digital amplifier loves low impedence more than anything! If you use iems primarily the ZX1 is a sure bet, the sound coming out of it the digital amp is really something else and can not be compared to any other DAP on the market. If you could only have two DAP's in the world, one of them should definitely be the ZX1, as it is unbeatable for iems and just sounds so clean, separated and open compared to other DAPs, also the frequency balance is perfect, and also boasts some of the best extended bass and treble I've ever heard.

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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post
 

The ZX1 has excellent dynamics with any phones with impedance under or around ~100 ohm give or take based on sensitivity. Much higher than that and the ZX1 sound starts to get a little stretched and overworked, typical of an under powered scenario.

 

good to hear. so my sennheiser HD 25-II should be an ok pairing? i think the 25's are 70 Ω
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Originally Posted by AUDIOBREEDER View Post
 

 

Does that make F880 'Audiophile' if they both sound familiar?


Have the two been compared using 192/24 or 96/24 recordings? That is, after all, their speciality.  I have given Fortis a selection of 192 files, first findings are mixed as you would expect with the varying quality of releases, some maybe being merely up-scaled which is defeating the point of higher resolution.

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I know the ZX1 is low powered but apparently, transparent and very open sounding (large soundstage). But, how are the dynamics? I have a couple of low powered amps that sound very good but even with IEM's like the JH13 Pro, dynamics suffer some and more power equates to better dynamics and bass control. 

 

What is the issue with the line out? I will be making a LOD but haven't read much about issues with line out. Voltage, distortion? 

The internal amp is plenty enough to drive any IEMs out there to an unsafe level.  With my JH13pro, I can't stand anything above 17 volume level, and there is 30 volume steps in all.  The ZX1 is very dynamics John.  It is more dynamics sounding than the X3, DX50, and MS-AK100 that I have.  The headphone out is reminiscent of the DX100 but with less power which only matter with more difficult to drive phones.  The line out is totally fine but it is lower in volume than most.  All Sony DAPs have very quite line out.  I think it is the resulting of the Class D amp.  For reference, I have to use medium gain setting on my Pico Power amp.  

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