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post #2806 of 6512
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Originally Posted by SilverRanger View Post
 

A new batch of ZX1s seemed to be available now, got a notification message from the seller that my player is shipped today :) 

 

which company?

post #2807 of 6512
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Originally Posted by vladzakhar View Post
 

Thanks guys. ZX1 one is better sounding DAP. At least for my 1+2s. Now I am waiting for Roxannes to test it out. This is why I sold my RWAK after I got ZX1.

 

Thank you, great news!

post #2808 of 6512
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I think the internal amp module of Sony smart phones and tablet may me identical to the lower end dedicated Walkman models. While sound good it is several notches below in performance when compared to the model with S-master module onboard. Still I take the sound of the standard model over any iPod any time.

No the Xperia phone doesn't sound similar to the Walkman dap. Output gain aside (the Xperia phones have very low output), the SQ on the Xperia Z1 is very bad, worse off than ther previous Xperia Z. I will be forced to carry an amp if I'm using the Xperia phone with an IEM. The Sony S780 Dap is much better.

I have not heard the F880 but it will surprise me if it sounded the same as the ZX1 since it uses a different capacitor at the very least.


That I can totally agree, the Z1 have pretty terrible output, at least compared to using a good amp+dac vs the headphone socket. It manage to make both my MH334 and 1R sounding rather boring from it. Lifeless and weak dynamics.

post #2809 of 6512

This is quite worrying it if won't power the H3's at 40 ohms.  I imagined they'd be the ones specifically designed for it.


Edited by amf123 - 1/6/14 at 10:43am
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Even my NWZ-A845 (european capped version) can power my XBA-H3 and many other cans I have. So I have great hope for the NWZ-ZX1.

post #2811 of 6512
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
 

I have the Pico Power and should be able to do a quick comparo for you.  I suspect that the Power will win though.

 

Sorry purk I must have misunderstood your post, I thought that's what you were stating when you said pico amp/dac is not as good as the ZX-1.  I'm on the fence but I'm sure I'll cave.....there's a reason why I'm still subscribed to this thread hah.  If nothing else the device/battery time looks really slick and I know the F887/Z1070 sounds really good already.

post #2812 of 6512

...and the UI looks lovely (and smooth) on this DAP. That is surely one of it's biggest selling points.

 

I hope the ZX1 is an indicator of Sony's possible intentions to take their game even higher.

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Originally Posted by uelover View Post

I have not heard the F880 but it will surprise me if it sounded the same as the ZX1 since it uses a different capacitor at the very least.

 

feel free to surprise yourself.

post #2814 of 6512
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

...and the UI looks lovely (and smooth) on this DAP. That is surely one of it's biggest selling points.

 

think you'll find that most are buying this for 'sound quality'... the UI is a unexpected bonus for those coming from other brands.

post #2815 of 6512
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Originally Posted by FortisFlyer75 View Post
 

On another note, If the non Japanese release of this does have a sd card slot I will eat my Japanese ZX1!

 

no grinder or blender allowed... to show my support of what you're proposing to do, I'll eat my F887 if the Israelites win the Prem' this year. 

post #2816 of 6512
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Originally Posted by sensui123 View Post

Sorry purk I must have misunderstood your post, I thought that's what you were stating when you said pico amp/dac is not as good as the ZX-1.  I'm on the fence but I'm sure I'll cave.....there's a reason why I'm still subscribed to this thread hah.  If nothing else the device/battery time looks really slick and I know the F887/Z1070 sounds really good already.

You understood me correctly as I have both the pico amp/dac as well as the Pico Power amp. With my jh13pro, the headphone output of the zx1 is compable to that of the zx1>digital out cable>Pico DAC/amp.
post #2817 of 6512
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Originally Posted by purk View Post


You understood me correctly as I have both the pico amp/dac as well as the Pico Power amp. With my jh13pro, the headphone output of the zx1 is compable to that of the zx1>digital out cable>Pico DAC/amp.

 

Oohh.. Me luv such statement..

 

In San Francisco custom now..

post #2818 of 6512

for all the non UK guys, which club is called the Israelites? And why?

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For the first time today I tried my portable Vorzuge Duo amp with the ZX1 as I thought I would not need to until I found the ZX1 is at times struggling with 24 ohm Sony cans I have (see post #2790 on P185 for "why?") and decided to try the amp with my Jh16's first and have to say was surprised that their was further improvement pairing it with this amp in certain areas one of which if I had any criticism (which I do) is the ZX1 mids are a bit to laid back or recessed for another word which may be due to the way Sony have spread out the soundstage on this vast and expansive plain of a picture they have managed to paint in our heads.  

 

The Vorzuge has added control and refinement with the upper mids bringing them to the fore more and adds a bit more body & definition to the top end and as a result female vocals have also become a little less shrill when hitting highs combined when in a band.

 

One track, a bass guitar on a Nickleback track  from Take the long road album  (flac HDCD rip)  which was noticeable in background but getting a bit lost in the crescendo of other instruments belting out found it's own place, more forward in presentation and could hear the rumbling vibration of each chord's been played  coming through, it was not subtle in difference either. 

 

With any thing that brings improvements though using an amp there is always some other change in presentation which negates adding the amp and with the Vorzuge tightening up and refining on the previous mentioned areas whilst bringing the mid's to the fore more , some of  the magic of the ZX1's super wide soundstage is lost  to an extent and feels narrowed down, more centre focused all though in reality the Vorzuge is not a narrow soundstage by any means which is a compliment to the ZX1's unique signatures of this Walkman. 

 

What the ZX1 has also nailed is the sub bass region which on the Vorzuge does not go quite as low as the ZX1 with a little more noticeable roll off and also losses that visceral low bass rumbling on James Blake "Limit your Love"

 

Amping can still benefit some areas to my surprise but may take away with the other hand in other areas  to a degree. 

 

This is of course been quite analytical in comparisons as without the amp using this as a standalone Walkman this is one special player still and with a good mastered recording this player can sing and that is just with red book cd's. 

 

 I can vouch King's of Leon, Riva Sons, Michael Jackson 25th Anniversary editions, London Grammer, Lana Del Ray, Joe Bonamassa, John Hopkins & Birdy all sound synergistically magic with the ZX1 un-amped from today's session on the ZX1. 

 

Also for first time tried listening to my X1060 properly since getting the ZX1 and have to say that is a story for another time....

 

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Ok then....When I had to let my Z1070 go (due to ergonomics incompatibility with myself & the Z, nothing to do with SQ) I did not find it to hard to go back to my X1060 despite a difference between the two with refinement in detail retrieval.  
 
But now the gap has just got a whole lot bigger and was hard to listen to the X for the first time in four years of owning her.  Lacking almost in every department compared to the ZX1,  
 
 

 

 

 

At least I know from today not to get rid of my portable Vorzuge amp but have lost an emotional tie with the X1060 today by a fraction or two.

post #2820 of 6512
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Originally Posted by purk View Post


You understood me correctly as I have both the pico amp/dac as well as the Pico Power amp. With my jh13pro, the headphone output of the zx1 is compable to that of the zx1>digital out cable>Pico DAC/amp.

 

Nice, I just mixed up what you were saying in my head.  I took it to mean the ZX-1 > that other devices with good line outs+Pico amp (like Pico Power or Pico Slim).  I'm pretty jealous.....maybe not for long.  :ph34r: Thanks for posting your impressions purk!

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