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How much percent is it down?  Testing the ZX1 today, I was at 80% volume on a few phones. Would the ZX1 also have to have the cap if an official release is made in the UK?

As there have already been some concerns with the output, would Sony not be shooting themselves in the foot if they made it unusable with some gear?

 

 

Anything released by Sony/Apple in Europe is subject to the volume-cap... it is 'the law' and they tend to abide by it, hence why I buy from Japan or USA.

 

The cap will probably result in a 5-10% reduction in volume and should not affect SQ.... the A-Series SQ was crippled by it but it looks like lessons have been learned.

 

As UELover pointed out, the ZX1 is aimed for IEM use primarily, volume is down by around 10% using the KEF M500's so best to amp if your using overheads.


Edited by OK-Guy - 1/3/14 at 7:57pm
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Based off the volume I'm listening at with my iem (which is very low) on the master volume I won't worry about it too much. I suspect most will use it with a iem, earphone or some kind of portable headphone. If someone had something more demanding like a full sized they would need an amp however. However I probably wouldn't like the fact that I have something limited on my dap...

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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

 

Anything released by Sony/Apple in Europe is subject to the volume-cap... it is 'the law' and they tend to abide by it, hence why I buy from Japan or USA.

 

The cap will probably result in a 5-10% reduction in volume and should not affect SQ.... the A-Series SQ was crippled by it but it looks like lessons have been learned.

 

As UELover pointed out, the ZX1 is aimed for IEM use primarily, volume is down by around 10% using the KEF M500's so best to amp if your using overheads.

Are you sure that the dreadful volume cao doesn't affect the sound of other models?  I know it did on the NWZ-A86x series but not absolutely sure about the others.  IMO, the Z10x0 Euro should also be affected given that the A86x & Z10x0 series were released at the same time.  From my experience the affected model still has plenty of power to drive IEMs or easy to drive phones, but the cap crippled the sound output resulting in harsher and limited the dynamic range.  The difference between normal & volume cap walkman is approximately 5 volume step.   

 

On another issue, what's the trick to get the digital out to work with a home DAC?  I've tried three DAC so far (W4S DAC2, Nad M51, and PS Audio Digital Link III), and only successful on the Digital Link III.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post
 

 

How much percent is it down?  Testing the ZX1 today, I was at 80% volume on a few phones. Would the ZX1 also have to have the cap if an official release is made in the UK?

As there have already been some concerns with the output, would Sony not be shooting themselves in the foot if they made it unusable with some gear?


With more recent recordings the max volume ( F886 ) is just passable. With some older recordings, it's way too low. As OK Guy says, the volume cap on EU models is something that you can't avoid.

I'm debating now ( well for sometime ! ) to buy a ZX1 from PriceJapan, or buy my first DAC and see if that improves things ?

 

( I don't use iem's. )


Edited by Rob49 - 1/4/14 at 2:52am
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I read through most pages and could not find an answer. How does this compare against the Fiio X3? I know it's not apple to apple and there's probably no real qualitative comparison, it's just that I already have the X3 and am contemplating an upgrade to the X5, but am not a big fan of X5's new interface.

 

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Thanks for volume cap replies. It may well be that its not released in Europe so is irrelevant. Expect a CES announcement early next week.

 

Also of interest would be the price in UK as against importing. At 577Euro (about £480) plus any Customs, would a UK price likely to be similar, higher or lower?

 

Price Japan offers the SONY XBA-H3 as a favoured option when ordering. Does anyone own this IEM? Better still, anyone tried it with ZX1?

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Thanks for volume cap replies. It may well be that its not released in Europe so is irrelevant. Expect a CES announcement early next week.

Also of interest would be the price in UK as against importing. At 577Euro (about £480) plus any Customs, would a UK price likely to be similar, higher or lower?

Price Japan offers the SONY XBA-H3 as a favoured option when ordering. Does anyone own this IEM? Better still, anyone tried it with ZX1?
I can try it for you tomorrow with zx1 if you want - I listened to it very briefly before and was not impressed, but I think ie800 sounds like garbage too sooo lol.
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I can try it for you tomorrow with zx1 if you want - I listened to it very briefly before and was not impressed, but I think ie800 sounds like garbage too sooo lol.

 

Thanks, I'm looking for an improvement on my Etymotic hf3s (which wont be hard) and can only spend a few hundred pounds alongside the ZX1. The ETYs actually sounded nice with the ZX1 yesterday in the treble and mid-range, but there is just so little bass. I had thought it was a fitting problem but Fortis confirmed my findings that even with a nice seal on different tips, there is a dramatic lack of low frequencies. Was spoilt listening to his 5.0s but need a half-way house to start with.

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@AndrewH13 do you have a ZX1 yet?
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@AndrewH13 do you have a ZX1 yet?

 

No, I travelled 10 miles to a fellow Head-Fi'er 'Fortis Flyer', who kindly let me sample his ZX1 and IEM collection yesterday. I'm sold on the ZX1, lesser models I tried just paled into insignificance after hearing the open wide soundstage.

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No, I travelled 10 miles to a fellow Head-Fi'er 'Fortis Flyer', who kindly let me sample his ZX1 and IEM collection yesterday. I'm sold on the ZX1, lesser models I tried just paled into insignificance after hearing the open wide soundstage.

I would sooooo recommend getting CIEMs and use any other player (iPhone , clip+, whatever) and get zx1 later. While this device is nice and sounds slightly better than a clip+, it is like 25-30x price for 15% more sound. On the other hand, I thought almost all universal iems sounded pretty bad, and I tried most there is... I know zx1 is shinny and new but if you want best sound get ciems first, just trying to help you out tongue.gif I guess you cant easily resell ciems like you can a zx1 but the sound even from a shure 846 to westone es5 is like 20-30% better imo and things like jh13 and uerm I personally prefer to anything at that price range including open backs
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So I decided to have a little test and leave my ZX1 on overnight idling which was around 7 hours or so. The battery went up around 88% or so to 81%. That's not too bad so it shouldn't be bad if I left it on overnight instead of turning it off. 

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So I decided to have a little test and leave my ZX1 on overnight idling which was around 7 hours or so. The battery went up around 88% or so to 81%. That's not too bad so it shouldn't be bad if I left it on overnight instead of turning it off. 

Mine went from 92%->85% overnight OFF..... LOL idle for me is 20%~
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Are you sure that the dreadful volume cao doesn't affect the sound of other models?  I know it did on the NWZ-A86x series but not absolutely sure about the others.

 

Purk mate... the A-Series only lasted two days with me bloody volume was terrible. I bought a used X1060 to humour Fortis as he raved on about it but I think that might of been a US version, I sold that after a couple of weeks as it didn't compare with the WM-Z (you do get some fraggles on here recommending stuff, felt a bit of a muppet for believing the hype, truth be known)... some UK guys have said the Euro-versions sound great on the Z1060/F806 and I'm not going to dispute that not having heard one to compare.

 

I'm not prepared to take the chance on a Euro Walkman because of my experience of the A-series... I assume Sony have made a better fist of things since.

 

Congrats on your ZX1... about time you slouch. :beerchug:

 

Have you got that WM-Port to Female USB thingy?

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Even if this DAP is released in Europe, I would honestly still prefer to buy it from Japan.

 

Benefits of buying from Europe (if you live there):

 

Warranty

Convenience

 

Cons:

 

Volume capped

 

 

So what about price?

 

I estimate that, even if you get charged the full amount of import duty + VAT, it probably still won't cost more to import direct from Japan!

 

 

To me, a quality device from Sony, with no mechancial moving parts, is fairly unlikely to need warranty servicing, so, personally, I wouldn't think twice about the decision - I'd buy an uncrippled device direct from Japan.

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