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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

I don't think Clear Audio+ is that bad. Kinda fun actually although I've been very happy without it. BTW, changing topics a little, I'm listening to Toto's The Essential with my Tralucent Ubered 1Plus2 and I find it kinda hard to go back to the AK120 as I'm enjoying listening to the album off the ZX1 quite a bit. Maybe it's the bass that works well with this kind of 80's pop/rock.

Toto...my absolute favourite group ! They sound great on my F886, ( although I haven't listened to all their albums, yet. ) I think certain music genre's shine a little more than others....?

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Toto needs to be played loud...........and preferably on the 

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looks like the software part is exactly like the f886. (that's not a great news)

 

AnakChan can you ear a background "tac" every 2 seconds with 334? (and most very sensitive IEMs)

no need for music, just turn it on or play with sound volume at zero.

it's on the f886 and drove me mad on silent parts of tracks.

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I don't know if I'd call Clear Audio a gimmick. It's definitely not like the "surround sound" button you find in some other players which to me is definitely gimmicky. If Clear Audio (at least in this product's implementation) is gimmicky, then so would ProEQ in the AK120. The question is what are we listening to these days? Software DSP plays a significant part of the overall sonic result and at times i feel it affects sonics more than the "hardware" DAC/OpAmp (or discrete) or cable choices.

 

The SS width of the ZX1 is definitely one of the factors that keeps me interested in this product for sure. I don't know enough about amp designs so will take your word of a class D design.

Pro EQ is just that, EQ. It's not active DSP and I don't care for it either. It's also not the default.

 

What you said is that the AK and 901 had DSP 'built in' and undefeatable. That is not the case at all and it's a very important distinction. Gimmick may have been a bit strong but things like 'clear sound' are making something sound less like the original, not more and the 901 and AK120 have nothing like it, or clear bass, or dsee+. They're unique Sony 'enhancement' add on. Doesn't mean someone can't prefer it but They're a nonstarter for me personally. Same for BBE on units with it.

 

Different FWs don't sound different due to some kind of enhancement, they do so because of changes in buffers, codecs etc. which are trying no more than to rebuild a signal as opposed to enhance it. The 901 and AK120 are built for HiDef and do not try to make LoDef sound like HiDef which would be marketing to justify a high price for those with compressed libraries. There's nothing wrong with it if you personally like it but I never do and just use better files if I think it's lacking in some way. I hope we're not going back to the days of expanders.:frown:

 

I'm not disparaging the Sony's wide perspective and suspect it will still get better overall with use. Nothing can be perfect in a DAP. Key will be whether it draws you into the message more than something else, more so than it's particular perspective of a stage. I find things like depth and width much less important than relating to the art, especially in earphones. It's the sort of thing that you don't get in A/B testing and more important. 


Edited by goodvibes - 12/8/13 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post
 

looks like the software part is exactly like the f886. (that's not a great news)

 

AnakChan can you ear a background "tac" every 2 seconds with 334? (and most very sensitive IEMs)

no need for music, just turn it on or play with sound volume at zero.

it's on the f886 and drove me mad on silent parts of tracks.

 

You keep going on in threads about this 'tac' thingy, I have never heard anything in the background on any of my Walkman's, silent at full volume or playing. I do get a bit of microphone 'air' on older recordings but that disappears when the music starts or the vocals kick in.

Edited by Noble-Geezer - 12/8/13 at 7:39am
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I've enjoyed a bit of the u's output from the School Idol Project. Fave is "Snow Halation" like alot of other folk who've listened to their stuff.
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

Toto needs to be played loud...........and preferably on the 

I've been listening to "Isolation" a lot recently. Not exactly their most popular, as they've gone away from playing any of their songs in subsequent tours, but it's worked for me lately.

Just thought it amusing to comment on two totally different fanbases in one post. Carry on.
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Pro EQ is just that, EQ. It's not active DSP and I don't care for it either. It's also not the default.

 

What you said is that the AK and 901 had DSP 'built in' and undefeatable. That is not the case at all and it's a very important distinction. Gimmick may have been a bit strong but things like 'clear sound' are making something sound less like the original, not more and the 901 and AK120 have nothing like it, or clear bass, or dsee+. They're unique Sony 'enhancement' add on. Doesn't mean someone can't prefer it but They're a nonstarter for me personally. Same for BBE on units with it.

 

Different FWs don't sound different due to some kind of enhancement, they do so because of changes in buffers, codecs etc. which are trying no more than to rebuild a signal as opposed to enhance it. The 901 and AK120 are built for HiDef and do not try to make LoDef sound like HiDef which would be marketing to justify a high price for those with compressed libraries. There's nothing wrong with it if you personally like it but I never do and just use better files if I think it's lacking in some way. I hope we're not going back to the days of expanders.:frown:

 

I'm not disparaging the Sony's wide perspective and suspect it will still get better overall with use. Nothing can be perfect in a DAP. Key will be whether it draws you into the message more than it's particular perspective of a stage. I find things like depth and width much less important than relating to the art, especially in earphones.

 

OK I see what you're saying. I had a different definition. This is probably my lack of knowledge in the definition of DSP but I lump anything that OS/software/firmware changes in the sound as DSP - regardless if it's merely codec or buffer changes, or signal rebuilding. I'm probably taking the term "signal processing" literally may it be actively or incidentally.

 

The bottom line for me is that if firmware can change the resulting sound (regardless if the change is unintentional due to buffer/codec changes you mentioned, or enhancers), I question what I'm listening to anymore.

 

I'm still confused how you would define a sound to be "original" if it can be changed by varying buffer sizes and different codec algorithms.

 

Edit: This is probably best continued offline.

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Mine has shipped today. I was in the first 5 to order. I hope it arrives before I leave on the 11th or I will have to wait until early January when I come back.
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Mine has shipped today. I was in the first 5 to order. I hope it arrives before I leave on the 11th or I will have to wait until early January when I come back.

 

fingers crossed for you Mimo, think mine ships tomorrow as I added that WM-Port-Female USB to our order yesterday, probably pee'ed-off my mate in doing so, day late & all that. 3xZX1's should be with us on Friday. :tongue_smile: 


Edited by Noble-Geezer - 12/8/13 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by Noble-Geezer View Post

fingers crossed for you Mimo, think mine ships tomorrow as I added that WM-Port-Female USB to our order yesterday, probably pee'ed-off my mate in doing so, day late & all that. 3xZX1's should be with us on Friday. tongue_smile.gif  
Thanks. What is that cable for?
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I've enjoyed a bit of the u's output from the School Idol Project. Fave is "Snow Halation" like alot of other folk who've listened to their stuff.
I've been listening to "Isolation" a lot recently. Not exactly their most popular, as they've gone away from playing any of their songs in subsequent tours, but it's worked for me lately.

Just thought it amusing to comment on two totally different fanbases in one post. Carry on.


You should try HiRes format WAV 48kHz/24bit.

I bought only 3 tracks.

Waiting test with ZX1 next weekend.
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Mimo, I intend to be using it to connect to a Hi-Fi via a DAC for the main, I'm also going to have a bit of fun to see if can be used with my Plantronic USB headphones that I use for Skype, the mids on those is pretty excellent imo but you'd expect that with Plantronics being aimed more at speech/vocal reproduction.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plantronics-Audio-655-Stowable-Microphone/dp/B003LBRDN2/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1386520524&sr=1-1&keywords=Plantronics+.Audio+655USB

 

Better mids than my M500's :confused_face: 


Edited by Noble-Geezer - 12/8/13 at 8:39am
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Oh ok thanks.
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