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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hello dear Head-Fi,

 

So a while ago I made a post about getting a new headset aswell, but my budget has slightly increased.

 

So I am looking to upgrade my ATH M50.

I am looking for a closed style headphone, with a nice balance of sound with preferable a v shape or a bit of bass emphasis (a little bit im not a bass head as you would call it).

I need closed style headphones since I am close to people and I dont want to bother them and vice versa :)

 

I also prefer the closed sound (for some reason, even tho most sound experts say open style make for better SQ)

 

Although I do not have alot of experience with open style headphones (higher segment) so I guess I cant really judge them properly.

Do open headsets bleed so much sound it would be the same as leaving ur closed headphones on the table? (bleed wise)

Also why do people call headsets like the HD600 (was looking at those) boring?

 

So anyways I was looking into the V-Moda m100 or the Ultrasone Pro 750

 

I've got a xonar phoebus soundcard in my PC.

 

Any help is as always greatly appreciated. :)


Edited by Aerathion - 9/6/13 at 12:29pm
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by Aerathion View Post
 

Do open headsets bleed so much sound it would be the same as leaving ur closed headphones on the table? (bleed wise)

A little less (as sound is only leaking out of two sides, not four), but about the same.

 

 

Also why do people call headsets like the HD600 (was looking at those) boring?

It depends on where the person is coming from; their taste in music, taste in headphone or even be down to their hearing ability (younger people are more sensitive to high frequencies).

If someone is accustomed to headphones where the treble is prominent, accentuated and detail-enhancing, one might find the HD600 boring, with it's liquid, lush slow immersive mids and bass. 

HD600 also might have the effect of making 'exciting' music like rock music less lively, but for another person it just makes everything more digestible, relaxing and euphoric. 

 

It's all about perspective and taste. 

 

And I've never heard either of those headphones. :rolleyes: (vmoda or ultrasone)

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thank you for your comment GREQ, the HD600 seem like really powerfull headphones compared to my m50, for whats under the hood.

 

Do you have any recommendations for me? And would you go with open or closed style? is there a big difference?

 

Thank you for taking some of your time to answer people like me :)

post #4 of 18

Mostly I use open headphones at home and a closed set for outdoors. But if you're a 1-set-of-headphones kinda guy, I'd get a closed set, as they're way more versatile.

Personally I use the Sennheiser Momentum (which fits into your budget) but it's only a viable option if you've got fairly small ears.

 

Have a look here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/672743/comparisons-psb-m4u2-momentum-mdr-1r-qc15-beats-executive-dt1350-ue9000-beats-studio-2013-kef-m500-and-skullcandy-aviators

 

Almost all the opinions in the review mirror my experiences, and others have found it to also mirror theirs in many areas - so you can be sure the information there is mostly solid.

Another that isn't in the list is the Bang & Olufsen H6 - which is a bit out of your budget - but I like that a lot too. 

Also I would add the Sony MDR-1R for consideration - it is kind of a side-grade to the M50 in signature as it sounds quite different (more mid-centric sound), but I think has better resolution and imaging. 

 

 

The biggest difference with open and closed headphones is what is often referred to around here as 'air' and 'soundstage'.

Many closed headphones (even the best ones) all have even in some tiny amount a 'closed' sound that somehow leaves a feeling of congestion. Very cheap closed headphones are just echoey mid-bass fart monsters.

Open headphones allow the driver diaphragm to move freely, the open-back solves the problem of sound reflections, and you get more of a 'live' sound and a closer-to-loudspeaker presentation. Even some very cheap open headphones have these traits.

 

The headphones listed in the review above fit your criteria as they mostly perform well without the need for buying an extra amp or dac to get the most out of them. 


Edited by GREQ - 9/6/13 at 3:08pm
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 

The thing that scares me about open headphones is that they would leave you excluded from the music, as for me I think of closed headphones as immersive sounding, but maybe this has to do with me never having tested high quality open headphones.

 

My ears are fairly small, but the momentum looks like a headphone for outside not really a desktop kind of thing, I could be wrong here though.

 

Also do open headphones drop alot of bass compared to closed? or does that depend on the model.

post #6 of 18
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bump for more opinions :)

post #7 of 18

Hello there, do not worry about open headphones, as you are not gonna lose any sound from it but yes the bass in an open headphone is not gonna be as good as a closed one depending on the model. but the good thing about an open headphone is that it has a wider sound stage and it's really comfortable especially the HD558 because it has airflow and not to mention the outside airy-ness gives a you a sense of a wider sound stage and a feeling like you're right in the middle of the stage but it's all up to you whether you like it or not. 

 

One of the biggest down side of a closed headphone is that it is really uncomfortable after a long session as it tends to sweat your ears for some model. I have used the V-Moda 100 myself and it was surprisingly comfortable for such a "sharp" and "rigid" design. I have not use the Ultrasone  before though so I can't commend on that. 

post #8 of 18

Hello!

 

If you want a tiny bit more bass, you should not look into the M100 as it has more than bit more bass! Have you looked into Sennheiser Momentum [classic]? or the UE6000?

 

Hope it helps!

Billson :)

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

Yea, the momentums look good but im not sure for a desktop setup if they are ideal, since the hd 600 might be alot better?

The m100 also look good, but people complain about them not being ''audiophile'' headphones, so im scared of the calrity being bad for a 300$ headphones

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by Aerathion View Post
 

Yea, the momentums look good but im not sure for a desktop setup if they are ideal, since the hd 600 might be alot better?

The m100 also look good, but people complain about them not being ''audiophile'' headphones, so im scared of the calrity being bad for a 300$ headphones

 

The HD600 requires an amp to really shine :)

 

Billson

post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

I have a xonar phoebus sound card up to 600 Ohm, doesnt that work?

post #12 of 18
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I have a xonar phoebus sound card up to 600 Ohm, doesnt that work?

Should be but it might sound a little veiled

Billson smily_headphones1.gif
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 

Allright, and veiled means exactly ?

 

I'm sorry I'm not a native english speaker.

post #14 of 18
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Allright, and veiled means exactly ?

I'm sorry I'm not a native english speaker.

Not an expertise in describing what that means although I know what it means xD

Here's what it means (copied and paste from Describing Sound A Glossary article)
Veiled - Like a silk veil is over the speakers. Slight noise or distortion or slightly weak high frequencies. Loss of detail due to limited transparency.

Billson smily_headphones1.gif
post #15 of 18

If you like BASS and dont want to worry about having enough amp to push a pair,Id go for V-Moda 100,but it was a lot of THUMP,as in you can feel it pounding your skull,but the mid bass isnt super tight,and no I wouldnt call it audiophile grade...its a fun pair of cans if you like to feel the thump,but if you listen to bass heavy music it might be too much for you,it was for me.

My favorite pair of closed cans is the KEF 500s....not so much thump but has very tight deep bass,great mids and clear highs,and like the 100s are easy to drive

.....I love them

 


Edited by monsterzero - 9/7/13 at 3:39am
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