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post #826 of 1353

Hi everyone,

Could someone with this player please do a favour for me and do a quick check with the Spotify android app. I want to know if the Sony EQ and clear audio effects etc make a difference to the music playing via the Spotify app (or all apps?) or do they only affect music playing via the stock music app? One of the major floors with the iOS Spotify app is that there is no in-app EQ and also the iPhone EQ settings make no difference to the music playing through the app. Therefore there is no sound adjustment whatsoever. It would be so nice if the NWZ F886 was a different story!

 

Many thanks in advance! Much appreciated  

post #827 of 1353
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Originally Posted by lukeamjohnson View Post
 

Hi everyone,

Could someone with this player please do a favour for me and do a quick check with the Spotify android app. I want to know if the Sony EQ and clear audio effects etc make a difference to the music playing via the Spotify app (or all apps?) or do they only affect music playing via the stock music app? One of the major floors with the iOS Spotify app is that there is no in-app EQ and also the iPhone EQ settings make no difference to the music playing through the app. Therefore there is no sound adjustment whatsoever. It would be so nice if the NWZ F886 was a different story!

 

Many thanks in advance! Much appreciated 

Hi,

 

I think that EQ and clear audio effects are only for the stock player. Forgive me if i'm wrong.

post #828 of 1353
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Realplayer app is free for up to a certain amount of space or you can purchase the plex app. Both are cloud servers that play media files. Not sure if either plays high res FLAC files, though.

Thanks for the information but my idea is to use the files on the cloud with the stock player of nwz-f886 and i think that it is not possible.


Edited by croqui - 1/9/14 at 3:37pm
post #829 of 1353
I don't think its possible at all, then, if you are trying to use the stock player with files saved in a cloud drive.
post #830 of 1353

guys i hate to break it to you but 24bit audio is a scam. its only used by producers (as 32 bit is also) to make it easier to clip audio files without making mistakes.  although, in theory, the human hearing spectrum extends ever so slightly beyond the 16 bit range, in actual practice it covers the entire hearing spectrum, in part due to nobody has a 'golden ear' despite what some will claim. if somebody listens to a 24-bit files and claims its a tangible improvement over its 16-bit counterpart they are, without a doubt, full of ****. 16/44 is all you'll ever need to experience what the human ear can handle. anything beyond that is truly a marketing ploy as the high-end audio companies fully grasp that we, as audiophiles, myself included, are always searching for a 'better' SQ. 24-bit won't get you there. its a waste of computer space and does not improve music quality.

 

doubt me?

 

speak with an audio engineer. I took the time to read several comprehensive reports (With my trusty thesaurus aka google on stand by) and have made an effort to sift through all the audio B.S. 24 bit does not, and never will, help your individual listening experience.  Sorry to burst your bubbles fellas.

 

disclaimer: I cannot find the original articles I read but if I do rest assured I'll post them. I can fully understand why many of you are skeptic to my aforementioned claims and I'm a big believer in having empirical evidence to back up my claims.

 

This is not be talking out my of my rear end, I just don't want any of my fellow hi-fi'ers to make frivilious investments in 24-bit audio and 24-bit reading devices when they could invest in some better cans, an amp, a LP player, whatever floats your boat. Get that ultra-rare U2 vinyl press over 24-bit files :)

 

Best Regards My Friends,

 

Matt 

post #831 of 1353
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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

guys i hate to break it to you but 24bit audio is a scam. its only used by producers (as 32 bit is also) to make it easier to clip audio files without making mistakes.  although, in theory, the human hearing spectrum extends ever so slightly beyond the 16 bit range, in actual practice it covers the entire hearing spectrum, in part due to nobody has a 'golden ear' despite what some will claim. if somebody listens to a 24-bit files and claims its a tangible improvement over its 16-bit counterpart they are, without a doubt, full of ****. 16/44 is all you'll ever need to experience what the human ear can handle. anything beyond that is truly a marketing ploy as the high-end audio companies fully grasp that we, as audiophiles, myself included, are always searching for a 'better' SQ. 24-bit won't get you there. its a waste of computer space and does not improve music quality.

 

doubt me?

 

speak with an audio engineer. I took the time to read several comprehensive reports (With my trusty thesaurus aka google on stand by) and have made an effort to sift through all the audio B.S. 24 bit does not, and never will, help your individual listening experience.  Sorry to burst your bubbles fellas.

 

disclaimer: I cannot find the original articles I read but if I do rest assured I'll post them. I can fully understand why many of you are skeptic to my aforementioned claims and I'm a big believer in having empirical evidence to back up my claims.

 

This is not be talking out my of my rear end, I just don't want any of my fellow hi-fi'ers to make frivilious investments in 24-bit audio and 24-bit reading devices when they could invest in some better cans, an amp, a LP player, whatever floats your boat. Get that ultra-rare U2 vinyl press over 24-bit files :)

 

Best Regards My Friends,

 

Matt 


u may well be right but have u urself compared the 24 bit with 16 bit??

post #832 of 1353
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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

guys i hate to break it to you but 24bit audio is a scam. its only used by producers (as 32 bit is also) to make it easier to clip audio files without making mistakes.  although, in theory, the human hearing spectrum extends ever so slightly beyond the 16 bit range, in actual practice it covers the entire hearing spectrum, in part due to nobody has a 'golden ear' despite what some will claim. if somebody listens to a 24-bit files and claims its a tangible improvement over its 16-bit counterpart they are, without a doubt, full of ****. 16/44 is all you'll ever need to experience what the human ear can handle. anything beyond that is truly a marketing ploy as the high-end audio companies fully grasp that we, as audiophiles, myself included, are always searching for a 'better' SQ. 24-bit won't get you there. its a waste of computer space and does not improve music quality.

 

doubt me?

 

speak with an audio engineer. I took the time to read several comprehensive reports (With my trusty thesaurus aka google on stand by) and have made an effort to sift through all the audio B.S. 24 bit does not, and never will, help your individual listening experience.  Sorry to burst your bubbles fellas.

 

disclaimer: I cannot find the original articles I read but if I do rest assured I'll post them. I can fully understand why many of you are skeptic to my aforementioned claims and I'm a big believer in having empirical evidence to back up my claims.

 

This is not be talking out my of my rear end, I just don't want any of my fellow hi-fi'ers to make frivilious investments in 24-bit audio and 24-bit reading devices when they could invest in some better cans, an amp, a LP player, whatever floats your boat. Get that ultra-rare U2 vinyl press over 24-bit files :)

 

Best Regards My Friends,

 

Matt 

The mastering on the 24-bit files is usually better, with more dynamic range. Also, the volume levels are not boosted to insane levels and hence very less or no clipping compared to the CD versions. I prefer 24-bit rips just because of the mastering. You can then, if you wish, convert them to 16-bit.

post #833 of 1353
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 


u may well be right but have u urself compared the 24 bit with 16 bit??

yes I've listed to Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" album both in 24-bit and 16-bit and their is absolutely no discernible difference whatsoever. I've also had a few friends do blind tests with 24-bit vs 16-bit, which concluded there is no difference. 

 

Believe me I wish there was any sound quality enhancing justifiable reason for 24-bit but there just isn't :(

post #834 of 1353
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Originally Posted by sicko View Post
 

The mastering on the 24-bit files is usually better, with more dynamic range. Also, the volume levels are not boosted to insane levels and hence very less or no clipping compared to the CD versions. I prefer 24-bit rips just because of the mastering. You can then, if you wish, convert them to 16-bit.

The improvement in dynamic range cannot be perceived by the human ear though, its just impossible. Not saying that it isn't true that 24-bit does have an increased dynamic range, it just won't do anything to enhance your personal listening experience.  

 

The volume thing I was not familiar with however when I've played "Astral Weeks" 24-bit and the same album in 16-bit I've left the volume knob at exactly the same level, which, at least in this instance, produced the same decibel level as far as I could tell.

post #835 of 1353
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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

The improvement in dynamic range cannot be perceived by the human ear though, its just impossible. Not saying that it isn't true that 24-bit does have an increased dynamic range, it just won't do anything to enhance your personal listening experience.  

 

The volume thing I was not familiar with however when I've played "Astral Weeks" 24-bit and the same album in 16-bit I've left the volume knob at exactly the same level, which, at least in this instance, produced the same decibel level as far as I could tell.

The 24-bit recordings (mostly) are relaxed and don't have ludicrous volume levels, while their CD versions (again, mostly) are quite sharp and can contain clipping at times. In your case, I think the mastering was the same, hence, no perceivable difference. Although, to me, for some albums, the 24-bit versions seem to have a tad more warmth and air than their 16-bit counterparts.

post #836 of 1353

Given that  it's a player capable of 192/24, why didn't Sony include this has a music sample ??

post #837 of 1353
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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

The improvement in dynamic range cannot be perceived by the human ear though, its just impossible. Not saying that it isn't true that 24-bit does have an increased dynamic range, it just won't do anything to enhance your personal listening experience.  

 

The volume thing I was not familiar with however when I've played "Astral Weeks" 24-bit and the same album in 16-bit I've left the volume knob at exactly the same level, which, at least in this instance, produced the same decibel level as far as I could tell.

 

lets be honest the CD version of Astral Weeks is pretty naff compared to the vinyl version, the upsampled copy would have probably been taken from that... Morrison remastered all his early albums a few years back apart from Astral Weeks... he decided to record Astral Weeks 'live' instead, the CD version of the Concert far exceeds the quality of the CD of the original version.

post #838 of 1353

in the end it's a little like vinyl. vinyl is really a bad and poor support for music, but what the audio engineer usually does to the cd is so bad that often the vinyl sounds better. they can't do it to a vinyl because of how bad dynamic range of vinyl is ^_^. paradox. 

 

with highrez files it's the same, they know it's aimed at "difficult people" so sometimes they don't dare to mess up the sound as much as a cd.

 

and with that marvelous world we end up with some benefits of a support for totally bad reasons.

 

also looking from an electonic point of view, more data can have good points.

 

 

I use mp3 but for filesize benefits, nothing to do with actually trying to have good sound ^_^.

post #839 of 1353
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

lets be honest the CD version of Astral Weeks is pretty naff compared to the vinyl version, the upsampled copy would have probably been taken from that... Morrison remastered all his early albums a few years back apart from Astral Weeks... he decided to record Astral Weeks 'live' instead, the CD version of the Concert far exceeds the quality of the CD of the original version.

 

that has absolutely no bearing on my assertion that 24-bit music is in no way perceivably better from an audio quality standpoint in comparison to 16-bit. I prefer vinyl too (the whole ritual of playing a record frankly) but its just not portable.  

 

My point is this, and this alone, 24-bit or 32-bit audio, despite what people may say on the forums, is in no way perceivably better to the human ear than 16-bit. It is not warmer, brighter, cooler, crisper, or whatever else you want to call it. I've enclosed the link to the article I read, which offers empirical evidence to this. 

 

Stick with 16-bit folks, 24-bit is a waste of space and doesn't improve fidelity. 

 

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

 

Happy Friday Y'all!

post #840 of 1353
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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

 

that has absolutely no bearing on my assertion that 24-bit music is in no way perceivably better from an audio quality standpoint in comparison to 16-bit. I prefer vinyl too (the whole ritual of playing a record frankly) but its just not portable.  

 

 

you will notice a difference to remastered albums... Astral Weeks in cd form is pretty dire production wise, with history telling you that Morrison is involved in any re-mastering you can be your life Astral Weeks 24bit version is just a upsampled copy of the cd so you would not perceive any improvements... perhaps you may see the point, perhaps you won't it's all semantics of what  you perceive.

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