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post #196 of 1359
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Put your Tegra 2 fears to rest! Sony's Press Release (Japanese): http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/201309/13-0925B/

 

Looks like a TI OMAP4430 chipset using ARM Cortex A9 clocked at 1.0 GHz...

 

Again 1.0 ghz?
Still happy that we have a somewhat better SoC. Here's a link which explains how the TI outperforms the Tegra 2 by a bit:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/95439-nvidia-tegra-2-vs-ti-omap-4-or-why-the-droid-bionic-uses-omap

 

 

post #197 of 1359
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Originally Posted by sicko View Post  Again 1.0 ghz?

 

Well, let's not expect the absolute best when it comes to a player that is primarily audio-oriented.

 

As a whole, the F880 series looks to be shaping up to be a nice package, stepping between the mainstream and audiophile categories nicely. The F886 will basically be $299 (if it gets sold in the US), and will sport all the same core technologies as the ZX1, with the exception being that the ZX1's power supply is better built and uses film capacitors for the low-pass filter.

 

From the description, though I can't be sure because I don't read Japanese, the S-Master HX seems to be a PWM variant, doing D/A conversion and amplification all at once (similar in implementation to the Nuforce DDA-100 Power Amplifier). This kind of conversion requires a custom programmable MCU/DSP chip, so that's most likely why Sony refrained from dropping a Burr-Brown, AD, Wolfson, or ESS reference with respect to DAC chips, and refrained from making references to opamps as well. A well-designed low-pass also makes sense when it comes to designing a good PWM amplifier. The DSEE HX seems to be just a 4x SRC.

 

Anyway, S-Master HX should be a pretty elegant design. I'm a little concerned with how good of a bit-depth (the best delta-sigma DACs can do 20-22 bits) a PWM timer can do D/A conversion, but since this is Sony, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Actually, as a TOTL flagship, I think the ZX1 is a little disappointing. If there's one player that should sport a higher-end chipset, it's the ZX1, as it's supposed to be a halo item. But instead, only the audio aspects are tweaked. I guess they blew their budget upgrading the memory. I don't think upgrading the power supply and capacitors costs that much more, and neither with the enclosure.


Edited by tomscy2000 - 9/25/13 at 4:21am
post #198 of 1359

I mean give us at least a 1.2 ghz man!
It's not about games or movies and stuff. I wan't it to run the convolver which AFAIK is pretty power hungry and with that running on my Z, it became slow as hell. That's all I'm asking.

post #199 of 1359
Sorry if this has been addressed before, but will this new Walkman be gapless in either mp3/Flac/Alac format ? I am currently listening to a Wagner Opera with a Fiio X3 and it's so annoying to have these one second or so interruption within the same scene (despite the X3 being sold as gapless...).

Also, I phoned Sony Show Room in Paris, it seems that they don't have it in display. Rather surprising... Apart for attending IFA, any tip on how to test it (a trip to akihabara is excluded...) ?

Thanks.
post #200 of 1359
Considering it's not released yet it's not really surprising that it's not on display yet!

As for gapless even if the native app isn't you can download ones that are thanks to android.
post #201 of 1359
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Considering it's not released yet it's not really surprising that it's not on display yet!

As for gapless even if the native app isn't you can download ones that are thanks to android.

Thanks for your answer,

I personally think that a showroom should have "soon to be released" products and take pre-orders as sony.fr does. But that's a commercial decision I agree.

Nice to know one can add a new player, still I wonder why Sony cannot or doesn't want to release a gapless native app. Is that so hard to program ? Maybe they think the market is not expecting gapless players ?

Also, do you know of any Android App that would play ATRAC (protected) files on the F886. I have a bunch of minidiscs I can transfer to my PC thanks to the latest Sony Minidisc player, a real gem, I can then convert them into .WAV but a native player would be better.

Thanks.
post #202 of 1359

I'm not that familiar with android so others will have to answer that.  However you have a bunch of minidiscs so I'm assuming that most of the stuff on there is in atrac format?  If so (and you'll have to double check this to be sure) I don't see why you would not be able to copy from disc to pc to walkman and have gapless that way as traditionally (and again you'd have to check this) sony have always supported gapless playbac in atrac format. 

 

Thanks

post #203 of 1359
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Originally Posted by MerleOne View Post


Thanks for your answer,

I personally think that a showroom should have "soon to be released" products and take pre-orders as sony.fr does. But that's a commercial decision I agree.

Nice to know one can add a new player, still I wonder why Sony cannot or doesn't want to release a gapless native app. Is that so hard to program ? Maybe they think the market is not expecting gapless players ?

Also, do you know of any Android App that would play ATRAC (protected) files on the F886. I have a bunch of minidiscs I can transfer to my PC thanks to the latest Sony Minidisc player, a real gem, I can then convert them into .WAV but a native player would be better.

Thanks.

 

 

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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

I'm not that familiar with android so others will have to answer that.  However you have a bunch of minidiscs so I'm assuming that most of the stuff on there is in atrac format?  If so (and you'll have to double check this to be sure) I don't see why you would not be able to copy from disc to pc to walkman and have gapless that way as traditionally (and again you'd have to check this) sony have always supported gapless playbac in atrac format.

 

Thanks

 

ATRAC is supported natively and gapless on the Japanese Walkmans. I know because that's what I use. It will not be elsewhere - ATRAC is a Japan exclusive. So if you need ATRAC support and don't want to buy the JApanese, you'll have to transcode to another format.

 

The native Walkman app does support gapless clearly, and while I have never tried it, I believe it is with FLAC, too. All my stuff on there is ATRAC3+ 352k, and I don't have time to try out FLAC.

 

Bottom line: sounds like you need to import.

post #204 of 1359
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Originally Posted by FenderP View Post
 

 

 

 

ATRAC is supported natively and gapless on the Japanese Walkmans. I know because that's what I use. It will not be elsewhere - ATRAC is a Japan exclusive. So if you need ATRAC support and don't want to buy the JApanese, you'll have to transcode to another format.

 

The native Walkman app does support gapless clearly, and while I have never tried it, I believe it is with FLAC, too. All my stuff on there is ATRAC3+ 352k, and I don't have time to try out FLAC.

 

Bottom line: sounds like you need to import.

 

I wish there is an converter out there to transcode Atrac Lossless to Flac.  If I'm not mistaken, gapless is possible only with wav & Atrac Lossless.

post #205 of 1359
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
 

 

I wish there is an converter out there to transcode Atrac Lossless to Flac.  If I'm not mistaken, gapless is possible only with wav & Atrac Lossless.

Try Sony Media Go, it should work.

post #206 of 1359
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Originally Posted by purk View Post
 

 

I wish there is an converter out there to transcode Atrac Lossless to Flac.  If I'm not mistaken, gapless is possible only with wav & Atrac Lossless.

 

I think it does gapless with FLAC as well from what I read when they first implemented it in the F80x series (and backported to the Z), but I could be wrong, too.

post #207 of 1359
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Originally Posted by DrSheep View Post
 

Try Sony Media Go, it should work.

 

He stated protected ATRAC files, which SMG doesn't handle.

post #208 of 1359

I have an older but nice Sony Walkman, the NWZ-A844, and it's definitely not gapless.

 

And thanks for all the replies so far !

post #209 of 1359
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Originally Posted by MerleOne View Post
 

I have an older but nice Sony Walkman, the NWZ-A844, and it's definitely not gapless.

 

And thanks for all the replies so far !

 

The Japanese NW-A847 is gapless with ATRAC. The NWZ ROW models were not gapless outside of WAV.

post #210 of 1359

If you want a review, Phileweb just did it.

http://www.phileweb.com/review/article/201309/25/939.html

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