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post #2671 of 2795
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

I don't mean to press the issue, but if I'm not mistaken the point of the tape mod is to tame the mid bass hump, and bring the mids forward. The tape mod does it one way, and using wide bore tips does it another way. From what I've experienced, it is my opinion that the wider bore tips accomplishes this better and in a more practical way.

But like I said before, to each his own. If doing the tape mod does it for you that's great. I just think suggesting that as the best or first option for maximizing the sound on these, I agree to disagree. IMHO after discovering how much difference a good sealing wide bore tip makes on these, I feel like the tape mod was counterproductive in resolving the mid bass/recessed mids issue all of us who own these has encountered.

I think his point is on the second mod, not the tape mod... which led to my question in my prior post. Why try so hard to make this IEM "closer to reference" when clearly it is not its intention? There are so many reference IEMs out there to chose from...

To each his own, as you said, though...
post #2672 of 2795
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

James, what I want to know is why are you so obsessed with trying to turn this IEM into a linear sounding one? It is clear from its early reviews that this is not the case, here, so... :blink:

 

Don't we all want to get the best out of our gear, be it by tip rolling and/or trying out different sources and cables? Reading through your posts in this thread, they very much fit this scheme.

 

My own H3s have been on loan tour during the last 4 months, so I haven't had the opportunity to hear them. When I got them back, I had a deja-vu of how I got them first, an overall great earphone marred by excessive bass. I applied the tape mod, and once again liked how it brought bass levels down, but thought that bass tonality was a little bit too sub-bass emphasized. So I tried the front vent mod that I've been gathering quite some experience with in the meantime, and sure enough it attenuates sub-bass more than mid-bass and results in a more natural bass tonality than the tape mod alone.

 

I really like the result (which I think is a much better balanced IEM compared to stock sound), so I thought I'd post about my findings because they may be of use to some fellow head-fiers. I didn't expect that I might step on some folks toes or that my efforts may be construed as obsession. Both of these mods together take less than 10 minutes to implement, and comparing them to the sound of various tips took me less than an hour. So, where's the obsession lol?

 

Last not least, I'm well aware that many people love the H3's stock sound as is, so I put that "please ignore, if..." line in my post.

 

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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post


I don't mean to press the issue, but if I'm not mistaken the point of the tape mod is to tame the mid bass hump, and bring the mids forward. The tape mod does it one way, and using wide bore tips does it another way. From what I've experienced, it is my opinion that the wider bore tips accomplishes this better and in a more practical way.

But like I said before, to each his own. If doing the tape mod does it for you that's great. I just think suggesting that as the best or first option for maximizing the sound on these, I agree to disagree. IMHO after discovering how much difference a good sealing wide bore tip makes on these, I feel like the tape mod was counterproductive in resolving the mid bass/recessed mids issue all of us who own these has encountered.

 

The tape mod increases back vent damping and decreases bass energy from the driver, but makes them sound somewhat sub-bassy. The second mod decreases bass energy further by opening a small front vent. It attenuates sub-bass more than mid-bass and results in a more linear bass signature overall. The combined decrease in bass energy from both mods is much more significant ime than from any kind of tip rolling.

 

And no, I'm not suggesting that as the best or first option for maximizing the sound on these. Sound preferences vary, and there's no single ideal sound signature that will fit all listeners. I'm just suggesting the mods as the most effective option if you really want to decrease bass levels on the H3, that's all.

post #2673 of 2795
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Don't we all want to get the best out of our gear, be it by tip rolling and/or trying out different sources and cables? Reading through your posts in this thread, they very much fit this scheme.

My own H3s have been on loan tour during the last 4 months, so I haven't had the opportunity to hear them. When I got them back, I had a deja-vu of how I got them first, an overall great earphone marred by excessive bass. I applied the tape mod, and once again liked how it brought bass levels down, but thought that bass tonality was a little bit too sub-bass emphasized. So I tried the front vent mod that I've been gathering quite some experience with in the meantime, and sure enough it attenuates sub-bass more than mid-bass and results in a more natural bass tonality than the tape mod alone.

I really like the result (which I think is a much better balanced IEM compared to stock sound), so I thought I'd post about my findings because they may be of use to some fellow head-fiers. I didn't expect that I might step on some folks toes or that my efforts may be construed as obsession. Both of these mods together take less than 10 minutes to implement, and comparing them to the sound of various tips took me less than an hour. So, where's the obsession lol?

Last not least, I'm well aware that many people love the H3's stock sound as is, so I put that "please ignore, if..." line in my post.


The tape mod increases back vent damping and decreases bass energy from the driver, but makes them sound somewhat sub-bassy. The second mod decreases bass energy further by opening a small front vent. It attenuates sub-bass more than mid-bass and results in a more linear bass signature overall. The combined decrease in bass energy from both mods is much more significant ime than from any kind of tip rolling.

And no, I'm not suggesting that as the best or first option for maximizing the sound on these. Sound preferences vary, and there's no single ideal sound signature that will fit all listeners. I'm just suggesting the mods as the most effective option if you really want to decrease bass levels on the H3, that's all.

Fair enough, but as I mentioned there are just so many reference IEMs out there to choose from. All the modding kills the H3's purpose, I would believe.

It's stock bass is acceptable for my preference, but what I heard from various tip rolling is more enjoyable to me. Still has that "fun" purpose, though, and far from "closer to reference," which is what you are suggesting with your modding tips.

We good, though, homie wink.gif
Edited by Change is Good - 8/31/14 at 12:55am
post #2674 of 2795

Just got to know of this. What is the sound signature? I'm looking for warm!

 

How does this fare against the FDA Heaven II, Ostry KC06, JVC FXT90 ?

 

I prefer a good mid range (not recessed) and not too much high treble as it sometimes pierce my ears (uncomfy).

post #2675 of 2795
What exactly do you mean by stripes? What's that tampon string looking thing on the silicone part?
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

XBA-H3 "dual mod":

This is for those who find the H3's stock bass a bit too much, but don't like the tonality of the tape mod. Please ignore if you're happy with the H3's bass as is.

1. Tape modding the H3 is already well established, simply tape the vent and poke a pinhole. Bass gets attenuated and tilted towards sub-bass rather than mid-bass.




2. Some may welcome the tape mod's bass attenuation, but not its rather sub-bass oriented tonality. The latter can be mitigated by a second mod that I've described in detail for the JVC FX850, but which works equally well for a number of other bassy IEMs. Because of the H3's smaller nozzle size, it might be a good idea to cut the stripes slightly thinner than for the FX850. The result on the H3 should roughly look like this:






Pros: I really like the "dual mod" on the H3, it brings their overall sound signature close to reference, while retaining a natural sounding bass tonality.
Cons: Isolation may be a tad less compared to stock.
post #2676 of 2795
Haven't seen this second mod either - presume is a cable tie, but also interested in the reply / feedback smily_headphones1.gif
post #2677 of 2795
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

What exactly do you mean by stripes? What's that tampon string looking thing on the silicone part?
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post
Haven't seen this second mod either - presume is a cable tie, but also interested in the reply / feedback smily_headphones1.gif


For a detailed explanation, just follow the link I posted. :smile_phones:

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

... I've described in detail for the JVC FX850, ...
 
post #2678 of 2795

I've had my H3's for over 3 months. I tried the tape mod and as well as a wider bore tip. I prefer, by a good margin, the wider bore tip that also seals better. I feel that the tap mod affects the soundstage in a negative way. That is a subjective observation, subject to possible expectation. I will say that the H3's have exceeded expectations,especially since I got them for mere $239  from Amazon.

I find these easy to drive. My XBA-3's presented problems for my previous and current smartphones as the XBA-3's have a 12 Ohm impedance. This is where the H3's 40 Ohm impedance is a clear advantage. Not to mention the tamed treble. My H3's see at least 12 hours a week of ear time because I commute 4 days a week. My only gripe is that the isolation could be better, a better seal helps.

post #2679 of 2795
I have a unopened box of jvc spiral dot tips in the medium size

Would anyone be interested in trading me a box of jvc spiral dot large tips?

I usually wear mediums but idk they seem smaller than most mediums and they don't seal well for me
post #2680 of 2795

I saw on the thread of the New WALKMAN A10 with micro SD slot a picture of new Hi-res audio products and it appeared to be a new iteration of the XBA-H3's, i'm not so sure:confused_face(1):

post #2681 of 2795
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Originally Posted by gerelmx1986 View Post

I saw on the thread of the New WALKMAN A10 with micro SD slot a picture of new Hi-res audio products and it appeared to be a new iteration of the XBA-H3's, i'm not so sure:confused_face(1):
I read the thread and blog about the Walkman a10 and it seems pretty cool, but I can't keep up with Sony lol

I'm surprised there was never a xba h30 the new version probably has a better fit and midrange
post #2682 of 2795
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Originally Posted by mpawluk91 View Post


I read the thread and blog about the Walkman a10 and it seems pretty cool, but I can't keep up with Sony lol
 

Agree +1000000, I also can't keep up with sony... you buy a product, whatever it is... a year later... sony makes you feel you have an obsolete product :angry_face:

post #2683 of 2795
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Originally Posted by gerelmx1986 View Post
 

Agree +1000000, I also can't keep up with sony... you buy a product, whatever it is... a year later... sony makes you feel you have an obsolete product :angry_face:

For some this is a very effective business plan. :mad:

post #2684 of 2795
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Originally Posted by gerelmx1986 View Post

Agree +1000000, I also can't keep up with sony... you buy a product, whatever it is... a year later... sony makes you feel you have an obsolete product angry_face.gif
I like the xba h3 though I'm keeping it regardless

Although I wish I could buy the stock cable for them as a backup
post #2685 of 2795
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Originally Posted by mpawluk91 View Post


I like the xba h3 though I'm keeping it regardless

Although I wish I could buy the stock cable for them as a backup

I also like mY XBA-H3 a lot i have two weeks with them, love them, those makes rediscover my music again, I fell in love with them. I am urrently listening to JC Bach's Harpsichord concertos (CPO release), the Harpsichord  and orchestra sound balanced (It's a weak instrument, generally sounding soft if you have a boomy orchestra), the orchestra has this nice bass instruments rumble, you can pinpoint the brass section, strings, harpsichord etc.

 

They're keepers, I'm not saying they're bad with my comment of obsolete product, just wanted to say oh boy! sony releases products yearly or even every 6 months

 

I agree with you, the damn hangers, dont, see a purpose on those, wish the cable was more of the XBA-H2 style (no hanger), i think the hanger makes the earpieces heavier, thus making them prone to not stay in their place and having a weak seal


Edited by gerelmx1986 - 8/31/14 at 12:50pm
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