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looks like i met a better fisherman this time:atsmile:

I won't bite.

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gr07 has its fair shortfalls,,,isolation being one of them.
then there is sibilance issue and a tad less bass on mk2 variety.

but it trumps these shortcomings as its very neutral so goes with all genres just like ex083,my favourite budget earphone
my gr07 BE is one of the best isolating phones I own. You might want to experiment with tips to see if you can get a better seal.
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Things I can point out re H3 vs IE800, even at this early stage...

1. Despite what people say, the treble isn't as extended on the H3 as it is on the IE800 - thankfully, I can recreate the effect by switching up the treble on my Vorzuge amp (lucky I went for the Duo rather than the Pure!)
2. Wind noise is apparent with the H3, not with the IE800
3. A bigger sin though (against the IE800) - No cable noise (and no occlusion effect) with the H3, really unnerved me after 7 months of exclusive use of the IE800 earlier, when I went out for a walk with the H3, and didn't need to keep adjusting the cable / hearing my own footfalls.
4. With the right music, the mid-centric nature of the H3 is a welcome bonus, makes vocals jump out compared to the IE800
5. [Pending burn-in] the bass quality / quantity of the H3 isn't in the same league as the IE800
6. The H3 cable is annoying with its ability to tangle around itself, will need to buy an aftermarket cable to stop me getting OCD about the red and black all coiling up... That said, my IE800 cable has gone stiff, so has the same effect.

More to come I'm sure - I'm sat on the fence at the moment, as to which IEM has the most detail, which seems to tip towards the IE800, but - am unsure if that is because of the extra treble presence - will watch this space... Additionally, not really sure about the fit - takes me back to my TF10 days, when looking a bit like an extra from an episode of Star Trek, but - sure I will get used to that, how I did when the TF10 was my IEM of choice.

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Re point 1, just crossed it out - found my tip-kit for my old Monster Pro Copper, and tried the large white tips, open up the treble nicely... So, seems that it is a fit thing... Does anyone know where you can get the Monster fit-kit from? Would love to get some more of those white tips!
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Things I can point out re H3 vs IE800, even at this early stage...

1. Despite what people say, the treble isn't as extended on the H3 as it is on the IE800 - thankfully, I can recreate the effect by switching up the treble on my Vorzuge amp (lucky I went for the Duo rather than the Pure!)
2. Wind noise is apparent with the H3, not with the IE800
3. A bigger sin though (against the IE800) - No cable noise (and no occlusion effect) with the H3, really unnerved me after 7 months of exclusive use of the IE800 earlier, when I went out for a walk with the H3, and didn't need to keep adjusting the cable / hearing my own footfalls.
4. With the right music, the mid-centric nature of the H3 is a welcome bonus, makes vocals jump out compared to the IE800
5. [Pending burn-in] the bass quality / quantity of the H3 isn't in the same league as the IE800
6. The H3 cable is annoying with its ability to tangle around itself, will need to buy an aftermarket cable to stop me getting OCD about the red and black all coiling up... That said, my IE800 cable has gone stiff, so has the same effect.

More to come I'm sure - I'm sat on the fence at the moment, as to which IEM has the most detail, which seems to tip towards the IE800, but - am unsure if that is because of the extra treble presence - will watch this space... Additionally, not really sure about the fit - takes me back to my TF10 days, when looking a bit like an extra from an episode of Star Trek, but - sure I will get used to that, how I did when the TF10 was my IEM of choice.

[Edit]

Re point 1, just crossed it out - found my tip-kit for my old Monster Pro Copper, and tried the large white tips, open up the treble nicely... So, seems that it is a fit thing... Does anyone know where you can get the Monster fit-kit from? Would love to get some more of those white tips!

 

Interesting - I've never heard the IE800 but I don't think I'd want more bass QUANTITY than the H3 delivers. As with my 846 comparison, quality will surely be different as it was with the 846. 

 

Don't find the cord to be a big issue - but I'm using a larger case so I can just let the cord drop into the case - fewer tangles but as you said, the complete lack of microphonics is really nice. 846 is very good as well. I'm sure the IE800 is nice but in my case I didn't even consider it due to the microphonics  & non replaceable cable as mentioned in other reviews. 

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Man, the IE800 is rediculouly sensitive @125dB.  I'd be wary of any source with output impedance higher than 2ohms as the impedance is quite low @16ohms according to Sennheiser(although Rin measured it to be 18).  The nice thing about it's impedance is it's flat.  The 846 varies in impedance with frequencies as it can dip as low as 4ohms at certain frequencies.  It has no impedance or phase variations throughout the audible frequency range.  It's totally flat.  In terms of sound output graphs, it looks bass emphasized with good amount of sub bass.  Treble extends better than 846(rolls off drastically around 10K).

 

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Follow up:

 

Just switched the 846 to the black filters and the base is a fair bit lower - Still not as low as the H3 but it is right where I like it now - somewhat smoothed out and relaxed - I was a bit skeptical but the filters seem to make a significant difference

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Okay, so - am intrigued - has anyone cable swapped, and had good results?

I don't like how the stock cable wraps around itself, and - am looking at something like this to replace it...
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I believe earlier in the thread someone had highly recommended the UE 900 cable fairly cheap and no memory cable around the ears. They had no comment as to whether it was better but I think it is probably no worse re performance
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Interesting - I've never heard the IE800 but I don't think I'd want more bass QUANTITY than the H3 delivers. As with my 846 comparison, quality will surely be different as it was with the 846. 

Don't find the cord to be a big issue - but I'm using a larger case so I can just let the cord drop into the case - fewer tangles but as you said, the complete lack of microphonics is really nice. 846 is very good as well. I'm sure the IE800 is nice but in my case I didn't even consider it due to the microphonics  & non replaceable cable as mentioned in other reviews. 
Sorry, was tired when I made the post yesterday, let me rephrase...

By quantity, I meant texturing, it seems that the IE800 can produce more layers to the bass than the H3...

That said, having larger tips (the cyan hybrids in my case) on the H3 produces very positive results, which is odd as I've always been a medium tip size person up to now...

Now, the question is, are the H3 exceptional value at 1/3 cost, or are the IE800 questionable value at three times the cost...
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Sorry, was tired when I made the post yesterday, let me rephrase...

By quantity, I meant texturing, it seems that the IE800 can produce more layers to the bass than the H3...

That said, having larger tips (the cyan hybrids in my case) on the H3 produces very positive results, which is odd as I've always been a medium tip size person up to now...

Now, the question is, are the H3 exceptional value at 1/3 cost, or are the IE800 questionable value at three times the cost...


HMMMMMM :confused_face_2:. Bit of both? In my comparison with the Shure 846, it's a real quandry. With the black filters, I find the Shures to be better than the H3's but the question is the same as you put it. They're not a HUGE improvement over the H3, but it is definitely there and of some significance. The Shures are also much nicer ergonomically (not saying the H3's are uncomfortable, they're not) and to me look  better and isolate much better. Since I can't return the Shures and will probably take a $200 hit if I sell them, I'm going to keep them. This means the H3's, as good as they are, won't get much use. 

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Anyone else find that the stock mic cable seems to take the edge off the bass boom a bit? I started off using them with the stock non mic cable but after finding the bass a little too boomy I switched cables and that helped, and now with the tape mod I think everything is sitting where I like it tone wise; still plenty of bass impact but not so much that I feel like I have mini dubstep guns in my ears. I guess I'm a mild bass head after all :etysmile:

My current issue is that I'm using the H3's on the bus, and often the isolation is temperamental. I'm using the green sony hybrid tips (I think they're the mid size tip?) because they are supremely comfortable... I have the mixed set of Meelectronics tips and am considering cutting the third flange off one of the triple flange tips and using that instead (I can't do triple flange, feels like my ears need to call SVU after using them) as I saw someone else on head-fi using that exact setup. Anyone have any experience with this? Not sure if it'll help much with isolation either.


Edited by satish89 - 6/30/14 at 6:24pm
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The H3 (and EX1000/600) for me are textbook cases of when an IEM's design prevents full, decent, tight penetration. (since we're on an SVU theme)  In particular the cable and the connector/strain relief that look like they're supposed to pivot but don't, get in my way every time.

 

If only Sony can give the H3 an easy, secure fit and more pliable cable like...the basic XBA-C10 at 1/8th the price? Of course I can go to Comply or other silicone tips, but if I want to be anal (theme!), I'd say only the hybrids sound Sony-like, and it's the most comfy anyway. Sorry that this is more of a concurring (and themed) post rather than the experience you're after. :tongue:

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Actually I don't mind the Sony stock cable too much - it takes a bit of persuasion to mold it to a shape that fits decently, but it has eliminated pretty much all cable noise for me, which is a nice plus. My TF10's with Fiio cable have plenty of cable noise, but with the Meelectronics dual flange tips I get lots of isolation. Comfort has always been the compromise of my TF10's though, and the dual flange tips are a little big for long sessions (better put SVU on speed dial), but for bus trips they work well, effectively muting engine noise, babies crying, loud obnoxious teenage girls on phone calls, etc. I enjoy the H3's more than the TF10's at the moment though, probably because it's more comfortable - I think the TF10's have a little more detail resolution, but lack a bit at the top and bottom compared to the H3's I feel, especially bass - can't beat that dynamic driver bass impact.

Just after I graduated from university I went to Japan with one of my mates, and ended up buying a pair of EX 300 IEM's (I was almost the perfect stereotype broke student, so there was definitely no budget for anything close to high or mid tier headphones), and they're still sitting on my desk performing valiantly - despite having a massive driver (I believe it's also a 16mm driver, which is what impressed me into buying them in the first place) they actually fit quite well, sealed well and were decently comfortable, much to my surprise. And that is just with the normal Sony tips, not hybrids. I agree that the hybrids seem to match the Sony sound signature the best so far anyway.

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Okay, so - am intrigued - has anyone cable swapped, and had good results?

I don't like how the stock cable wraps around itself, and - am looking at something like this to replace it...


Silver love cable 92% silver content.. Better clarity definition and refinement all together.. Not too expensive either.  I would definitely try some better cables for the H3..

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The H3 (and EX1000/600) for me are textbook cases of when an IEM's design prevents full, decent, tight penetration. (since we're on an SVU theme)  In particular the cable and the connector/strain relief that look like they're supposed to pivot but don't, get in my way every time.

If only Sony can give the H3 an easy, secure fit and more pliable cable like...the basic XBA-C10 at 1/8th the price? Of course I can go to Comply or other silicone tips, but if I want to be anal (theme!), I'd say only the hybrids sound Sony-like, and it's the most comfy anyway. Sorry that this is more of a concurring (and themed) post rather than the experience you're after. tongue.gif

No help but I find the stock cables very comfortable, no problems at all getting good seal with a variety of tips including Sony Hybrid and Comply TSX 200's
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