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post #2161 of 2796
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post
 


i would specifically ask u to compare h3 and gr07 be for rock and classical as i already know h3 will be better for pop.

when u do compare please share ur inputs.

 

i am saying this as even though gr07 mk2 destroys pro coppers in seperation and neutrality when listening to pop and rap but i never use gr07 for this genre as i don't enjoy it.

pro coppers are more apt for this but it dosen't mean they are better

 

they still suck.

 

 

just for starters can u compare the two for this song??

 

I listen to these type of songs majority of the time.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the H3 but from memory it doesn't project distorted guitars naturally... too thick and lacks the edgy feel to it.

Then vocals are a bit too distant IMHO... especially for male vocals.

 

Surprisignly, the overall presentation and soundstage can sometimes overcome what's lacking.

I was astonished how Queen sounded so good with the H3 when they don't really sound that good with my other IEMs.

post #2162 of 2796
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post
 

 

I listen to these type of songs majority of the time.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the H3 but from memory it doesn't project distorted guitars naturally... too thick and lacks the edgy feel to it.

Then vocals are a bit too distant IMHO... especially for male vocals.

 

Surprisignly, the overall presentation and soundstage can sometimes overcome what's lacking.

I was astonished how Queen sounded so good with the H3 when they don't really sound that good with my other IEMs.


thats the problem with all sony buds i have tried till date...........(haven't tried ex7550 or 1000).

why did they discontinue the ex7550 and 1000 when people were crazy for those buds??

post #2163 of 2796
You can still buy the 7550. The 7550 only lacked a bit of treble extension in my opinion. Bass and mids were just about perfect.
post #2164 of 2796
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

You can still buy the 7550. The 7550 only lacked a bit of treble extension in my opinion. Bass and mids were just about perfect.


its neutral just like gr07 mk2,,,,,i don't really think it will justify the amount of money i need to spend.

i have my eyes set on ie800.................at least i won't be bothered for 2-3 years if i get the best thing out there.

post #2165 of 2796

Shootout



Tenore v FX850 v XBA-H3

 

 

 

 

Massive threads already exist on all these IEMs, so I won't bother with an intro. Plus I don't know how much longer I'm going to withstand the effects of this Nyquil, so let's get to it:

 

 

Gear: Fiio X5 as a USB DAC/Amp

 

Process : Rapid A/B, followed by listening to sections of songs with each IEM. *I also took very special care to make sure the IEMs were volume matched after switching.

 

Songs used...

 

 

1) Bem, Bem, Maria - Gipsy Kings.

 

This song was chosen for the fact that it has a lot going on. From the Spanish guitar rhythms, to the drums, and to Nicolas Reyes' voice weaving in and out of it all, it remains a treat to listen to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Kaleidescope Heart - Sara Bareilles.

 

This song is a test for vocal separation. There are multiple vocal tracks going at once, and I'm listening for how well the phones can distinguish between them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Make My - The Roots. 

 

 

 

 

I almost don't want to b

 

 

 

 

 

4) Helping Hand - Yo-Yo Ma, et al.

 

This happens to be one of my favorite tracks from one of my favorite albums. It's a showcase of what happens when geniuses come together to make music. This is one of the most beautiful videos you'll ever see, and the best sounding 360p youtube video I've come across.

 

 

 

 

 

 

5) Limit to Your Love - James Blake.

 

This song is pretty much my benchmark for bass and separation of frequencies on an iem. The track has a VERY solid bassline that kicks in, and beats like hummingbird wings, then rumbles your socks off. This is all going on while cymbal and a snare drum are being struck. One of the things I look for is the slight echo of the rimshot while the bassline is being played. Also, the cymbals can't be affected at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts

 

 

 

I don't want to say it. I don't want to believe it. But the truth is undeniable. The Tenore is far superior to these two iems.

 

The biggest thing to jump at me is just how much more refined the Tenore is over the others. It's so bloody effortless and smooth, while managing to be more detailed than the others. The Tenore makes the others sound somewhat like cheap earbuds...and I really liked the H3 when I compared it to my ASG-2.

 

The Tenore manages to easily flesh out each note, taking its time to refine and polish each one before releasing it to your eardrum. In comparison, the FX850 and H3 sound hollowed out and uneven in the treble. How the Tenore manages to be fuller and more refined without sacrificing a frickin thing is beyond me.

 

Soundstage is one thing that I feel like I should also address. The Tenore is more 3D sounding than both the H3 and FX850 by being more grounded in the center channel. That way, it throws cues seemingly exactly where needed. The others simply don't execute this as well as the Tenore does.

 

Another thing I'm beginning to appreciate is the spectacular timbre of the Tenore, especially in the vocals. It's truly special to hear. During the climax of Helping Hand, the Tenore blew my mind with its rendition of the strings. It was beautiful, and textured, and real.

 

It's not all roses with the Tenore though. The downside is that it can sound too intimate at times, but it's not too much of an issue. That, and dynamics seem to hit their ceiling fairly quickly.

 

 

The saddest part to me is that people will read this and dismiss it because the Tenore is too cheap to be true. Even if they get it, they'll go into it with pre-conceived biases and not truly listen to this spectacular IEM.

 

All the same, I hope more people try it out, as well as the KC06 from Ostry.

post #2166 of 2796
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Shootout

Tenore v FX850 v XBA-H3




Massive threads already exist on all these IEMs, so I won't bother with an intro. Plus I don't know how much longer I'm going to withstand the effects of this Nyquil, so let's get to it:


Gear: Fiio X5 as a USB DAC/Amp

Process : Rapid A/B, followed by listening to sections of songs with each IEM. *I also took very special care to make sure the IEMs were volume matched after switching.

Songs used...


1) Bem, Bem, Maria - Gipsy Kings.

This song was chosen for the fact that it has a lot going on. From the Spanish guitar rhythms, to the drums, and to Nicolas Reyes' voice weaving in and out of it all, it remains a treat to listen to.










2) Kaleidescope Heart - Sara Bareilles.

This song is a test for vocal separation. There are multiple vocal tracks going at once, and I'm listening for how well the phones can distinguish between them.








3) Make My - The Roots. 






I almost don't want to b





4) Helping Hand - Yo-Yo Ma, et al.

This happens to be one of my favorite tracks from one of my favorite albums. It's a showcase of what happens when geniuses come together to make music. This is one of the most beautiful videos you'll ever see, and the best sounding 360p youtube video I've come across.


 




5) Limit to Your Love - James Blake.

This song is pretty much my benchmark for bass and separation of frequencies on an iem. The track has a VERY solid bassline that kicks in, and beats like hummingbird wings, then rumbles your socks off. This is all going on while cymbal and a snare drum are being struck. One of the things I look for is the slight echo of the rimshot while the bassline is being played. Also, the cymbals can't be affected at all.



 






Thoughts



I don't want to say it. I don't want to believe it. But the truth is undeniable. The Tenore is far superior to these two iems.

The biggest thing to jump at me is just how much more refined the Tenore is over the others. It's so bloody effortless and smooth, while managing to be more detailed than the others. The Tenore makes the others sound somewhat like cheap earbuds...and I really liked the H3 when I compared it to my ASG-2.

The Tenore manages to easily flesh out each note, taking its time to refine and polish each one before releasing it to your eardrum. In comparison, the FX850 and H3 sound hollowed out and uneven in the treble. How the Tenore manages to be fuller and more refined without sacrificing a frickin thing is beyond me.

Soundstage is one thing that I feel like I should also address. The Tenore is more 3D sounding than both the H3 and FX850 by being more grounded in the center channel. That way, it throws cues seemingly exactly where needed. The others simply don't execute this as well as the Tenore does.

Another thing I'm beginning to appreciate is the spectacular timbre of the Tenore, especially in the vocals. It's truly special to hear. During the climax of Helping Hand, the Tenore blew my mind with its rendition of the strings. It was beautiful, and textured, and real.

It's not all roses with the Tenore though. The downside is that it can sound too intimate at times, but it's not too much of an issue. That, and dynamics seem to hit their ceiling fairly quickly.


The saddest part to me is that people will read this and dismiss it because the Tenore is too cheap to be true. Even if they get it, they'll go into it with pre-conceived biases and not truly listen to this spectacular IEM.

All the same, I hope more people try it out, as well as the KC06 from Ostry.
I respect your opinion, but I agree to disagree.

The tenore is a fantastic iem for under 100 dollars but it isn't even in the same league as the h3. I don't have the jvc offering so I can't comment on it. But cmon, I can't think of anything under 500 dollars with the bass quantity of the h3, and still having the clarity and separation through the entire spectrum. No, the h3 is not flat, and not geared towards an accurate as possible sound reproduction, but I don't think that's what sony was going for in this one. That was the intention with the ex1000 and ex7550.

The h3 sets itself apart because it accomplishes what it was meant to do, which is take the best attributes from both dynamic and balanced armature IEMs and combine it into one of the most enjoyable sounding IEMs I have ever heard. I'm not defending them, more saying that if we are looking for "audiophile" or "reference" or "perfectly flat" sound, of course the tenore, or kc06, or Havi will be preferred over these because the h3 are not the full range dynamic driver sound that many headphone enthusiasts are used to, and these budget offerings are also tuned to be more flat, and have a sonic presentation that bests many dynamic drivers from the last few years.

The h3 is in another league because it's the closest thing I've heard to an actual pair of 3 way tower speakers and a powered sub woofer. They have powerful rumbling bass that is set apart from the warm and accurate sound of the mids and highs, just like a hifi entertainment center sound system.

I love my Tenores, and havi, and kc06, and GR07BE, and Dnk, as well as many others for what they are, but if I'm going to watch a movie, or play some pop music or hip hop, or hard rock, or even listen to a live performance (the h3 Soundstage is amazing for live music) I'm going to reach for the h3.

The tenore or FX850 might be better at certain things, but in terms of powerful performance and separation, while still having a musical and non sibilant signature that is an absolute joy to listen to, you would be very hard pressed to find anything that competes with the h3 at its current asking price.

Just my opinion
Edited by Hisoundfi - 6/17/14 at 10:13am
post #2167 of 2796
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post


I respect your opinion, but I agree to disagree.

The tenore is a fantastic iem for under 100 dollars but it isn't even in the same league as the h3. I don't have the jvc offering so I can't comment on it. But cmon, I can't think of anything under 500 dollars with the bass quantity of the h3, and still having the clarity and separation through the entire spectrum. No, the h3 is not flat, and not geared towards an accurate as possible sound reproduction, but I don't think that's what sony was going for in this one. That was the intention with the ex1000 and ex7550.

The h3 sets itself apart because it accomplishes what it was meant to do, which is take the best attributes from both dynamic and balanced armature IEMs and combine it into one of the most enjoyable sounding IEMs I have ever heard. I'm not defending them, more saying that if we are looking for "audiophile" or "reference" or "perfectly flat" sound, of course the tenore, or kc06, or Havi will be preferred over these because the h3 are not the full range dynamic driver sound that many headphone enthusiasts are used to, and these budget offerings are also tuned to be more flat, and have a sonic presentation that bests many dynamic drivers from the last few years.

The h3 is in another league because it's the closest thing I've heard to an actual pair of 3 way tower speakers and a powered sub woofer. They have powerful rumbling bass that is set apart from the warm and accurate sound of the mids and highs, just like a hifi entertainment center sound system.

I love my Tenores, and havi, and kc06, and GR07BE, and Dnk, as well as many others for what they are, but if I'm going to watch a movie, or play some pop music or hip hop, or hard rock, or even listen to a live performance (the h3 Soundstage is amazing for live music) I'm going to reach for the h3.

The tenore or FX850 might be better at certain things, but in terms of powerful performance and separation, while still having a musical and non sibilant signature that is an absolute joy to listen to, you would be very hard pressed to find anything that competes with the h3 at its current asking price.

Just my opinion

 

 

Check your seal. The Tenore I have is simultaneously fuller sounding and more detailed than the H3

post #2168 of 2796
This Tenore thing is either the quietest innovation in the IEM industry or getting blown out of proportion.

Oh well, this just means lower prices for us in the future(!). If they made a Tenore that sounded Liel the 1Plus2 / Ref1 at a fraction of the cost, I'll be happy to jump on the wagon.
Edited by BlinkST - 6/17/14 at 3:06pm
post #2169 of 2796
Tenore's are amazing but the hype is out of proportion. If you've been on Head-Fi long enough, you see who favors them and who doesn't as much and realize it's all preference amongst the individuals or (groups) I should say.
post #2170 of 2796
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

I truly understand where dweaver is coming from...
The H3 does sound good and very enjoyable for most genres.
It's when you compare them closely to a more balanced tuned earphone that H3's shortcomings become apparent.
Having said that, I still think that the H3 has got one of the best sounding treble response in my experience.

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Originally Posted by BlinkST View Post

This Tenore thing is either the quietest innovation in the IEM industry or getting blown out of proportion.

Oh well, this just means lower prices for us in the future(!). If they made a Tenore that sounded Liel the 1Plus2 / Ref1 at a fraction of the cost, I'll be happy to jump on the wagon.

It's definitely a competent sound package and that's hard to argue with. I want to see eke compare the Tenore with the KC06A...
post #2171 of 2796
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post

Tenore's are amazing but the hype is out of proportion. If you've been on Head-Fi long enough, you see who favors them and who doesn't as much and realize it's all preference amongst the individuals or (groups) I should say.

 

 

Hype is one thing, but my results are from direct A/B using high quality files. All I reported was exactly what I heard.

post #2172 of 2796
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

 

Hype is one thing, but my results are from direct A/B using high quality files. All I reported was exactly what I heard.

 

I'm sure your impressions are legit, my friend. Just take into effect that both are completely different sounding IEMs, putting price aside, so sound preference needs to be accounted for (as with all comparisons).

post #2173 of 2796
I agree with Eke.

Bass on the Tenore not only hits as hard but it's also much more controlled.

Midrange and treble is no contest, the Tenore is more detailed because of it's even presentation.
H3 has incoherent midrange IMO, it's kind of ".fuzzy". Perhaps due to its high distortion.
post #2174 of 2796
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I agree with Eke.

 

 

 

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post #2175 of 2796
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


Hype is one thing, but my results are from direct A/B using high quality files. All I reported was exactly what I heard.

I shouldn't of wrote "hype"

Thanks for sharing what you heard but I hear something different.
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