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post #1591 of 1847
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Originally Posted by ClassicalViola View Post
 

Wow. I like how you explained the difference between the configuration of the drivers in both hybrids. Does 'crossfeed' refer to making coverage between the different drivers overlap? And am I interpreting you correctly that the 16mm dynamic driver and 1 of the BA drivers in the H3 both cover the full range? Would this configuration in the H3 lead to a fuller sound since the frequency coverage of the two drivers overlap a lot?

 

About your statement that the H3 sounds almost like a headphone (to your ears) and the DN-1000, like a very detailed IEM, what criteria do you use to classify something as either a headphone or an IEM? I am quite new and still familiarizing myself with some terms. What does bass/treble extension mean? If a headphone/IEM has good bass & treble extensions, does it mean that it covers both ends of the frequency range in good detail? Another thing I would like to know is the difference between soundstage and headstage. I see the term headstage being used less commonly than soundstage.

 

Lastly, what do you mean when you say that the H3 is and the DN-1000 is not a high-resolution earphone? What main criteria do you use for classifying an earphone as being high-resolution?  Are you referring mainly to the frequency coverage on both ends (treble & bass)? Or are the soundstage, headstage and depth between instruments also part of the criteria?

 

Thank you so much ericp10!

 

 

I'm sorry ClassicalViola, but I really won't have enough time to go into depth on the H3 as you are seeking. I will, however, try to answer some of your questions now, but I won't be able to go into deeper details after this:

You can research this two, but in my researching the H3 extensively before purchasing them, my understanding is that 16mm dynamic covers the frequencies that a traditional woofer would. Now, I read in two different places (official Sony sites) a slight variation. I can dig up those sites but I would encourage you to do your own research. One site stated that the dynamic was full frequency driver. The other just stated it covered the frequency of a traditional woofer (I would imagine that covers lows and some part of the mids). I am certain, however, that one of the BAs is full range, and one is just a supertweeter. Now how Sony made those frequencies overlap I have no clue. I'm limited regarding the technical aspects of earphones and headphones. I'm come mainly perspective of how the products sound to my ears (what I hear and not too much on what's making me hear the music the way I do). I'm sure there are plenty of sound engineers and technicians are more equipped to answer those technical questions for you. I can't really answer about crossfeeds and such.

Headphones in generally have a much broader and fuller sound imaging than earphones. The ones I've listened to, anyway, tend to be more 3-Dish in sound than earphones. I get that with the H3 more so than with the DN-1000. My idea of high resolution is the ability to hear more nuances and details in vocals, and the actual physical playing of instruments. In other words, hearing the music as being more natural sounding and getting the sense that instead of listening to the recording, I feel like I'm actually in the studio with the musicians or in the audience watching a live performance.  I don't get that with the DN-1000 as I get with the H3. 

Headstage and soundstage, I've found, doesn't have a unilateral agreement of what it is. As a matter of fact, if you research head-fi, you might a thread or two discussing at length the different opinions of what is headstage and soundstage. So with that caveat, these are strictly my definitions (others may disagree with me): Soundstage is more about the width of music being played. Does it sound like you're in a studio? Does it sound like you're in small jazz club with the musicians or are you in a 1, 000 seat theater in the middle role 15 seats back listening to the band? Headstage, on the other hand, is more about tall or full each instrument sounds. Is it a thin sound or full sound? Are you hearing a lot of space between instruments and singers. It's about the height of the music if you will. There are many phones that cover bass to treble, but the music can sound cloudy or fuzzy. High resolution means to me how much clarity are you hearing in all frequencies. I mean bass and treble don't have to be just bass and treble. There are lot subtleties you can hear in the bass and treble depending on the tuning and other factors in earphones and headphones. High resolution brings out those details and nuances. You have better clarity in vocals and instrumentation. All bass, mids, and treble aren't the same as in any other earphone.

 

Oh, I noticed I used the term "crossfeed" and I meant to use the word "crossover." Again, I can't really go into much detail on how crossover is integrated in the different earphones, but however it is used, the sound is much more fuller and detailed, with better clarity, details and transparency in the H3 over the DN-1000 (to my ears). Hope that helps. And I'll leave you with what I usually say to anyone asking me to compare earphones, you need to figure out a way to hear/audition the earphones for yourself. Everyone hears differently, but for my ears there is no competition between the DN-1000 and the H3.

 

post #1592 of 1847
H3 all the way then?
post #1593 of 1847

to me sound stage is , the projection of instruments/ vocals out side of my head and their perceptive distance from my ears , and yes these xba-Hx series has far better sound stage then the older xba-X series , it dosent account of separation , detail , or any thing else , and when sound stage is stretched with out much detail , it sounds hollowed .

post #1594 of 1847
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

 

I'm sorry ClassicalViola, but I really won't have enough time to go into depth on the H3 as you are seeking. I will, however, try to answer some of your questions now, but I won't be able to go into deeper details after this:

You can research this two, but in my researching the H3 extensively before purchasing them, my understanding is that 16mm dynamic covers the frequencies that a traditional woofer would. Now, I read in two different places (official Sony sites) a slight variation. I can dig up those sites but I would encourage you to do your own research. One site stated that the dynamic was full frequency driver. The other just stated it covered the frequency of a traditional woofer (I would imagine that covers lows and some part of the mids). I am certain, however, that one of the BAs is full range, and one is just a supertweeter. Now how Sony made those frequencies overlap I have no clue. I'm limited regarding the technical aspects of earphones and headphones. I'm come mainly perspective of how the products sound to my ears (what I hear and not too much on what's making me hear the music the way I do). I'm sure there are plenty of sound engineers and technicians are more equipped to answer those technical questions for you. I can't really answer about crossfeeds and such.

Headphones in generally have a much broader and fuller sound imaging than earphones. The ones I've listened to, anyway, tend to be more 3-Dish in sound than earphones. I get that with the H3 more so than with the DN-1000. My idea of high resolution is the ability to hear more nuances and details in vocals, and the actual physical playing of instruments. In other words, hearing the music as being more natural sounding and getting the sense that instead of listening to the recording, I feel like I'm actually in the studio with the musicians or in the audience watching a live performance.  I don't get that with the DN-1000 as I get with the H3. 

Headstage and soundstage, I've found, doesn't have a unilateral agreement of what it is. As a matter of fact, if you research head-fi, you might a thread or two discussing at length the different opinions of what is headstage and soundstage. So with that caveat, these are strictly my definitions (others may disagree with me): Soundstage is more about the width of music being played. Does it sound like you're in a studio? Does it sound like you're in small jazz club with the musicians or are you in a 1, 000 seat theater in the middle role 15 seats back listening to the band? Headstage, on the other hand, is more about tall or full each instrument sounds. Is it a thin sound or full sound? Are you hearing a lot of space between instruments and singers. It's about the height of the music if you will. There are many phones that cover bass to treble, but the music can sound cloudy or fuzzy. High resolution means to me how much clarity are you hearing in all frequencies. I mean bass and treble don't have to be just bass and treble. There are lot subtleties you can hear in the bass and treble depending on the tuning and other factors in earphones and headphones. High resolution brings out those details and nuances. You have better clarity in vocals and instrumentation. All bass, mids, and treble aren't the same as in any other earphone.

 

Oh, I noticed I used the term "crossfeed" and I meant to use the word "crossover." Again, I can't really go into much detail on how crossover is integrated in the different earphones, but however it is used, the sound is much more fuller and detailed, with better clarity, details and transparency in the H3 over the DN-1000 (to my ears). Hope that helps. And I'll leave you with what I usually say to anyone asking me to compare earphones, you need to figure out a way to hear/audition the earphones for yourself. Everyone hears differently, but for my ears there is no competition between the DN-1000 and the H3.

ericp10 thank you so much for a really detailed sharing of your experience with those two IEMs. I am just trying to gather more reviews and comparisons and keep them in mind to see if I observe the same or different when auditioning them in person. I know a place where I live which has both available for auditioning so I'll head there soon to listen to them and compare them myself. :)

post #1595 of 1847
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:beerchug:

post #1596 of 1847
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

This is why I disagree with djvkool about the DN-1000 being just as good or better than the H3. Technically they don't even compare.

 

Now why djvkool didn't hear these differences I don't know, but I can only speculate that he didn't have good seal with the H3 when he did his brief audition. 
 

 

I only had my LSX5 with me when I was on holiday, my impression towards the H3 is probably not 100% as I didn't have my DN-1000 to do proper A/B, and also, the seal issue is spot on, as my left canal is marginally bigger than my right (weirdo, yep I know :bigsmile_face:) - I don't think I ever said that DN-1000 is as good or better than H3, what I said was that when I briefly auditioned H3, I felt that the difference was only marginal in H3's favour, yet it wasn't compelling enough for me to buy one, nor that it gave as good first impression as I had the first time I heard DN-1000 :wink_face:

 

Maybe I just have to buy one after all one of these days, after all, I love hybrids - if I don't like them enough to keep them, I'd just sell it then :beerchug:

post #1597 of 1847
Just wanted to post/repost some quick impressions here:

Tape mod in place, they are veeeery good. Like reaaaally very good.

Here's the thing about the H3 IMO, without the tape mod, there is just too much dynamic driver in there throwing off a delicate balance of a coherent sound. With the tape mod in place, it balances it out a bit and let's you really hear what both the BAs and the Dynamic can really do without making you really focus on one and throw off that balance. And they are both veeeeerrry good.

Here's the other thing about the H3, also IMO. The tonality is off. BUT, it's so evenly off from top to bottom that it still sucks you into it's flow and can suspend disbelief thinking it sounds real and fine.

To nitpick, it has a bit of dullness in the lower mids and a bit of a lack of sizzle on cymbals where it sounds like they are being stopped early for effect. But it all falls in well enough with it's tonality that it barely stands out. (Assume anything I say has tape mod in place, as things are just worse all around without it: balance off, very recessed midrange, coherency between the drivers lacking, bass tripping over itself, etc.).

The H3 and Bear McCreary were made for each other btw.
Edited by vwinter - 2/9/14 at 1:12pm
post #1598 of 1847
Did you make a pin hole on the tape?
post #1599 of 1847
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Did you make a pin hole on the tape?

Yea, with the tip of a thin sewing needle.
post #1600 of 1847
Wonderful! Thank you...
post #1601 of 1847
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

Wonderful! Thank you...

Curiously, why do you ask? Lol
post #1602 of 1847
Coz the h3 is in my wishlist. At least I know what to do when I finally have it.
Edited by d marc0 - 2/9/14 at 2:04pm
post #1603 of 1847
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

Coz the h3 is in my wishlist. At least I know what to do when I finally have it.

Haha gotcha. Listen to whatever James says and you'll be golden.

James, the pressure is on now tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1604 of 1847
The H3 have a very interesting quality in that the sound reminds me of fireworks on a humid night.
post #1605 of 1847
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


Haha gotcha. Listen to whatever James says and you'll be golden.

James, the pressure is on now tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

 

Run James run. LOL.

 

 

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The H3 have a very interesting quality in that the sound reminds me of fireworks on a humid night.

 

Are you sure you are using audiophile terms? :)

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