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You might not be able to study abroad then; I'm not aware of any country that issues student visas allowing off-campus jobs other than Australia, but AFAIK, that's for those taking MS/MA/MBA degrees.

Oh, I was not aware of this fact. Shows you how little I know about foreign higher education. I've never even been outside of the United States before. Right now (thanks to wuwhere), it is looking like I'm probably going to go to Purdue University.


Edited by Double-A - 9/9/13 at 2:36pm
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I want to become an acoustical engineer and, as far as I know, none of the schools you mentioned have programs for people that seek to become acoustical engineers. At least, they don't have programs for people that seek to become acoustical engineers that are accredited by ABET and, according to my dad, if you are entering into any sort of engineering program you want it to be accredited by them. I have been considering going to the University of Hartford as they have an acoustical engineering program that is accredited by ABET but I figured the education system up to this point in my life has sucked butt so the education provided by the universities here in America probably would as well.

 

EDIT: Although, when I search for the University of Hartford using DuckDuckGo, there is a little bit of info about the school above the search results and in that info it says that U of H is a private university. This makes me think that maybe the education provided by that specific school doesn't suck.

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I might also enter a business program as well once I've secured a job as an acoustical engineer and I'm making a steady income. Why do you ask? I sometimes daydream about running a jazz club on the side and I want to make sure that I am a competent business owner. In my dream jazz club, I host live performances from local small-time musicians that I happen to record . . . binaurally cool.gif. I then proceed to sell said recordings on site and give some of the proceeds to the musicians and some of the proceeds to myself.

If you are willing to learn German language then a technical university audio engineering course in Germany might be the answer. The University of Berlin offers a doctorate course in the acoustical engineering. The sound engineering and the acoustics engineering courses run together and then you specialize. [The part time jobs are easy to find in Germany]

http://www.udk-berlin.de/sites/content/topics/colleges/music/study_courses/artistic_training/sound_engineering/index_eng.html

The Germans are among the world leaders in this field, maybe the top. The industries and fields for applied acoustics engineering are aplenty in Germany. The acoustics in car and car audio design, the architectural and industrial acoustics, the acoustics of sound systems including headphones and so on.

The other options would be

- a course in Manchester, U.K. - http://www.acoustics.salford.ac.uk/res/

- a course in Denmark [check if it is offered in English] -http://shb.dtu.dk/Default.aspx?documentid=3124&Language=en-GB&lg=&version=2013/2014


Edited by zorin - 9/5/13 at 9:56am
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If you are willing to learn German language then a technical university audio engineering course in Germany might be the answer. The University of Berlin offers a doctorate course in the acoustical engineering. The sound engineering and the acoustics engineering courses run together and then you specialize. [The part time jobs are easy to find in Germany]

http://www.udk-berlin.de/sites/content/topics/colleges/music/study_courses/artistic_training/sound_engineering/index_eng.html

The Germans are among the world leaders in this field, maybe the top. The industries and fields for applied acoustics engineering are aplenty in Germany. The acoustics in car and car audio design, the architectural and industrial acoustics, the acoustics of sound systems including headphones and so on.

The other options would be

- a course in Manchester, U.K. - http://www.acoustics.salford.ac.uk/res/

- a course in Denmark [check if it is offered in English] -http://shb.dtu.dk/Default.aspx?documentid=3124&Language=en-GB&lg=&version=2013/2014

This would be a good idea for me as I have family that lives in Germany so I wouldn't be all alone in a place I don't know with a bunch of people I don't know. Furthermore, the fact that the sound engineering and acoustical engineering courses are intertwined would probably be a good thing for me because then I would have the expertise to design audio equipment and record the live musical performances in my dream jazz club myself and not have to hire some other people to do it for me (thus saving me money).

 

Wow! You guys here on head-fi are a huge help . . . right when I think that I've received all the good advice I'm going to get with this thread someone else drops in and gives me some additional really rock solid advice. I'm very glad that I started this thread. Thank you zorin and everyone else that has given me advice on this thread. Because of you I have so many good choices to consider when before I had only one . . . the University of Hartford. This is exactly why I love this website. Viva la head-fi!


Edited by Double-A - 9/9/13 at 2:34pm
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@Double-A,

 

Not to discourage you, just don't expect getting a scholarship to be easy unless you have straight A's - it's relatively easier for post-grad because some countries use it as some sort of aid/investment on other countries,* but up to collegiate degrees, they usually invest on their own people first. However, wanting to go to college is a very good attitude to start with. I'd say Germany's a great choice if your relatives can help you save rent, like, just chip in for food and utilities instead of full rent.

 

BTW, did you explore taking your first two years in a community college first, then applying to finish your majors in a university? You can probably get a scholarship easier that way while saving money, just make sure you inquire with universities you might attend as to how many of the prerequisite courses you should have taken before going in (some may not be available through the community colleges for example).

 

One last note about studying in the Philippines - there's a lot of modelling work here for foreigners, but suffice to say you'd have to look like you can do ANTM. People associate "premium" with imports, so even local brands use foreign models, but of course it isn't too strange given this country's population has people from every continent in addition to the native Malays and Chinese here anyway. Brazilian-Japanese are the FOTY so far but it's not like the rest of the world are completely out of style.

 


*Like how Fullbright churns out technocrats with some pro-US policy bias, just not necessarily as bad as - say - the (Univ of Michigan) Chicago Boys (actually professors there) running Chile's economy as people demonstrating at the US Embassies would have people believe.

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BTW, Double-A, have you found this? http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/purdue-university-west-lafayette/1170416-anyone-familiar-purdue-acoustical-engineering-program.html

 

Just my 2 cents, not being condescending, just a reality check. If you graduate from a foreign country and then look for a job in the USA, you would be at a disadvantage. Particularly in engineering. Technology in the USA progresses so rapidly that you can get behind fairly quickly, e.g. software and hardware test equipment. In the USA, internet access and bandwidth is like here all the time, 24/7. Lifestyle, food, environment, etc... just very different and its not exactly a vacation, you would live there and learn how to live there.

 

Also in the USA, to be competitive in one's career, particularly technical, you would have to go for a master's degree.


Edited by wuwhere - 9/5/13 at 10:41pm
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@Double-A,

 

Not to discourage you, just don't expect getting a scholarship to be easy unless you have straight A's - it's relatively easier for post-grad because some countries use it as some sort of aid/investment on other countries,* but up to collegiate degrees, they usually invest on their own people first. However, wanting to go to college is a very good attitude to start with. I'd say Germany's a great choice if your relatives can help you save rent, like, just chip in for food and utilities instead of full rent.

 

BTW, did you explore taking your first two years in a community college first, then applying to finish your majors in a university? You can probably get a scholarship easier that way while saving money, just make sure you inquire with universities you might attend as to how many of the prerequisite courses you should have taken before going in (some may not be available through the community colleges for example).

 

One last note about studying in the Philippines - there's a lot of modelling work here for foreigners, but suffice to say you'd have to look like you can do ANTM. People associate "premium" with imports, so even local brands use foreign models, but of course it isn't too strange given this country's population has people from every continent in addition to the native Malays and Chinese here anyway. Brazilian-Japanese are the FOTY so far but it's not like the rest of the world are completely out of style.

 


*Like how Fullbright churns out technocrats with some pro-US policy bias, just not necessarily as bad as - say - the (Univ of Michigan) Chicago Boys (actually professors there) running Chile's economy as people demonstrating at the US Embassies would have people believe.


I had bad grades my first two years of high-school but I had a few family members recommend that I enter a community college first (as you recommended in your post) because, apparently (I didn't know this), after you earn a certain amount of credits at a community college (don't know what that number is . . . it may even vary for different universities for all I know) universities won't even look at your high-school transcript when you apply.

 

I could never be a model . . . my face is covered in acne that simply refuses to clear up for starters (and when I say that that's just for starters I literally mean it's just for starters). Some of my family members have rosacea (did I spell that correctly? I'm not sure) and they say that they think I do as well.

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BTW, Double-A, have you found this? http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/purdue-university-west-lafayette/1170416-anyone-familiar-purdue-acoustical-engineering-program.html

 

Just my 2 cents, not being condescending, just a reality check. If you graduate from a foreign country and then look for a job in the USA, you would be at a disadvantage. Particularly in engineering. Technology in the USA progresses so rapidly that you can get behind fairly quickly, e.g. software and hardware test equipment. In the USA, internet access and bandwidth is like here all the time, 24/7. Lifestyle, food, environment, etc... just very different and its not exactly a vacation, you would live there and learn how to live there.

Don't sweat it, thanks for the heads-up.

 

EDIT: @wuwhere: I would eventually enter a graduate program to continue my engineering education but I just thought that after receiving my bachelors degree I should postpone that plan, get an entry-level job as an acoustical engineer making a steady income,take a break from the stress of attending college, pay off any debts I've amassed so that I can start fresh with a blank page etc. before I go back. Also, I may want to get a business degree (I'm not sure) before I continue my engineering education.


Edited by Double-A - 9/9/13 at 2:29pm
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How about Canada? You aren't that far from home (relatively speaking) - School here is a touch cheaper than the US  even when you consider international tuition.

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How about Canada? You aren't that far from home (relatively speaking) - School here is a touch cheaper than the US  even when you consider international tuition.

 

Can he work an off-campus, (near)full-time job to pay for tuition, on the student visa?

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Guys, just to be clear, I'm no longer considering going to school in a different country. Several people that have posted in this thread have stated that, while k-12 education sucks, college education does not suck here in the United States. Also, I feel that what wuwhere said in post 20 is probably right.


Edited by Double-A - 9/9/13 at 2:27pm
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Guys, just to be clear, I'm no longer considering going to school in a different country. Several people that have posted in this thread have stated that, while k-12 education sucks, college education does not suck here in the United States. Also, wuwhere said that "If you graduate from a foreign country and then look for a job in the USA, you would be at a disadvantage. Particularly in engineering. Technology in the USA progresses so rapidly that you can get behind fairly quickly . . ." He or she is probably right . . . I didn't think of that before I started this thread.

 

Purdue is a good place to go if you are aiming for Acoustical Engineering. I graduated from Purdue majoring in Mechanical Engineering. One of my friend who used to be a head fier is in the ME department for the acoustic noise control graduate program.

 

I was very interested in this program and wanted to do it as a minor, however it was only available as a concentration for my major. Since it was going to affect my original area of concentration, I could only pass it up.

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Update: Purdue is at the top of my list of universities to possibly apply for as of right now with the University of Hartford in second place. However, if I were to find a university in either Washington state or Arizona that had an acoustical engineering program accredited by ABET said university would replace Purdue University as the top university on my list of universities to possibly apply for. I say this because I have family in both Washington and Arizona and I don't have any family in Indiana.


Edited by Double-A - 9/8/13 at 5:37pm
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As long as your family's nice and reliable about letting you stay for informal rent (ie, chip in for utilities, food, etc), go for those options. I have a lot of extended family but contrary to what people think of big families, I'd sooner eat my gun than have anything to do with almost all of them. I arranged my great-aunt's funeral last July (after sacrificing months of my dissertation-writing man-hours caring for her since last year), and hours after they all showed up, I very nearly tore all my hair out.
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As long as your family's nice and reliable about letting you stay for informal rent (ie, chip in for utilities, food, etc), go for those options. I have a lot of extended family but contrary to what people think of big families, I'd sooner eat my gun than have anything to do with almost all of them. I arranged my great-aunt's funeral last July (after sacrificing months of my dissertation-writing man-hours caring for her since last year), and hours after they all showed up, I very nearly tore all my hair out.

While some of my family is irritating, my family in Arizona is not. I'm not sure about my family in Washington as I haven't spent much time around them.

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While some of my family is irritating, my family in Arizona is not. I'm not sure about my family in Washington as I haven't spent much time around them.

 

I'd say go for the ones you're more sure of and look for universities in their area. My aunts live next door, and they're already among the normal ones, but they still get under my skin. Like get pissed at me when I'm cooking for them because some of the spices I'm about to use are not on their place on the shelf (duh), or rag on my "death wish" while I'm grilling a bone-in ribeye or having eggs and bacon for breakfast, when they had mystery meat like Spam (and hotdogs made of pink slime instead of fresh sausages) for breakfast totally destroying any gains they made eating salad for dinner. Trust me, you wouldn't want getting stuck in the same house with people you don't get along with and have all the right to kick you out (unlike, for example, a sloppy roommate who skipped on his share of the rent that you can kick out).


Edited by ProtegeManiac - 9/9/13 at 12:28am
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I'd say go for the ones you're more sure of and look for universities in their area. My aunts live next door, and they're already among the normal ones, but they still get under my skin. Like get pissed at me when I'm cooking for them because some of the spices I'm about to use are not on their place on the shelf (duh), or rag on my "death wish" while I'm grilling a bone-in ribeye or having eggs and bacon for breakfast, when they had mystery meat like Spam (and hotdogs made of pink slime instead of fresh sausages) for breakfast totally destroying any gains they made eating salad for dinner. Trust me, you wouldn't want getting stuck in the same house with people you don't get along with and have all the right to kick you out (unlike, for example, a sloppy roommate who skipped on his share of the rent that you can kick out).

 

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I had bad grades my first two years of high-school but I had a few family members recommend that I enter a community college first (as you recommended in your post) because, apparently (I didn't know this), after you earn a certain amount of credits at a community college (don't know what that number is . . . it may even vary for different universities for all I know) universities won't even look at your high-school transcript when you apply.

 

I could never be a model . . . my face is covered in acne that simply refuses to clear up for starters (and when I say that that's just for starters I literally mean it's just for starters). Some of my family members have rosacea (did I spell that correctly? I'm not sure) and they say that they think I do as well.

Don't sweat it, thanks for the heads-up.

 

EDIT: @wuwhere: I would eventually enter a graduate program to continue my engineering education but I just thought that after receiving my bachelors degree I should postpone that plan, get an entry-level job as an acoustical engineer making a steady income,take a break from the stress of attending college, pay off any debts I've amassed so that I can start fresh with a blank page etc. before I go back. Also, I may want to get a business degree (I'm not sure) before I continue my engineering education.

 

 

I just saw and read this and I want to reply to it. I was a hiring technical manager and hired fresh grads. Guess which resume I read. Those with masters degree in engineering, EE. Which technical university? Well somewhere in Georgia. After a year or two of work, they went for MBA, Northwestern and UCLA. And this was back in the late '90s.

 

When you attend a good university, you are competing with the best 10% perhaps 5% of the graduating high school class. You want to compete with the best. Because you also learn from them. Imagination is more important than knowledge, just like creativity.


Edited by wuwhere - 9/9/13 at 9:29pm
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