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post #46 of 164
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Cons:

- Higher noise floor with sensitive IEMs - potentially just an issue with Jude's unit which would be really bad luck for CL

- Not enough power for the "Big Dog" headphones

 

Since I'm buying a DAC/Amp and not a iDevice battery pack, this was much easier than expected.  Now I just have to choose between 8 variations of the M8...

 

Hmm..i have feeling they will hiss with fitear iems...soon i will check will my local dealer once they arrived..or otherwise i will go for M8 (6.3mm & rsa balance port).

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post #47 of 164
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

Anybody considering ditching their CLAS-db/amp stack for this "all in one"?

 

Or am I the only one...

 

i am wondering this one my self. I already have clasdb, i owned the mk3 before but now i want to try again the mk3plus (for longer batt life).

post #48 of 164

Why did you ditch the original MK3?

post #49 of 164
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

Why did you ditch the original MK3?

I owned all alo series before. But end up loving only two of them. The conti v3 and mk3. Even though i mainly using them for driving my full zise only (they do hiss with iems, except sm64). The National and International they are good....but detail and clarity still below the other two. The mk3 i had, it has a very bad static noise and channel imbalance at low volume (while according to my friend, his mk3 does not have this kind of issues) so i decided just to sell it and wait the new mk3plus.

Actually i love Alo's house sound. But seems all their amps is more suitable for full size cans. The national is suitable for iems but for me...the detail and clarity is so-so (but cheaper from others).
post #50 of 164
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post

I owned all alo series before. But end up loving only two of them. The conti v3 and mk3. Even though i mainly using them for driving my full zise only (they do hiss with iems, except sm64). The National and International they are good....but detail and clarity still below the other two. The mk3 i had, it has a very bad static noise and channel imbalance at low volume (while according to my friend, his mk3 does not have this kind of issues) so i decided just to sell it and wait the new mk3plus.

Actually i love Alo's house sound. But seems all their amps is more suitable for full size cans. The national is suitable for iems but for me...the detail and clarity is so-so (but cheaper from others).

I am agree with you

I have 3 cyberlabs Dacs for IDevice :
Class Solo in tactical finish is original Cass
Class -dB 1.69 Vrms
Class -dB 2.00 Vrms

I have 2 Alo amps :
Continental tube amp V2
Alo RX 3 B

So far I love their products

I am waiting for new Theorem 720 for audition

Theory one box dac amp can not compete stags rigs

Like my Do dap x with op amp LME 49860 still can not compete
My Go Dap DD 1 9 volt with op amp muse 01 plus Amps
In term of SQ and power wise .
My IMO
post #51 of 164
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post

I am waiting for new Theorem 720 for audition
 

 

I really wish they don't hiss with IEMs as reported. If so..then i should cling to something else :tongue:

post #52 of 164
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post
 

 

I really wish they don't hiss with IEMs as reported. If so..then i should cling to something else :tongue:

 

Pay attention to the HiFi-M8.  Michael is offering an "IronLung" mod to be more "quiet" with IEMs...

post #53 of 164

I would say this combo is superb...! Theorem is such a wonderful dac/amp. For me..it's a step up experience of sound quality in portable world.

 

IPC + Theorem + Fitear Parterre

 

If i compared this to my clasdb, the line out from Theorem has more gain to it (not much - but i am happy for it). The clarity and detailing i would say not much different, however, through Theorem, i felt like the sound somewhat slightly "bigger" - more spacious and fuller sounded. (just a slight - but i really like it). The Theorem is warmer compared to clasdb (using the same external amp). What impressed me most, is the amp section of Theorem. I never thought the amp section could be this good. the sound is a bit warm but very neutral, very good detail and clarity, the bass is tight and well pronounced. I felt like it has that punch reaction to it, but it does stays very accurate and snappy. The mids is not too laid back also not too front (some would say too front) and very well bodied. The highs is VERY smooth without feeling any recessed. The sound stage is very good, not too wide (but enough to feel that spaciousness), very good depth and every sound has weight to it. The clarity, detailing and the sound image is EXCELLENT ! ----> (between ipc+clasdb+MK3 VS Theorem - my pick would be Theorem for sure ! - the gain is not as powerful as MK3, but i can drive my HD800/650 at high gain, using 50-60% of volume, with no problem at all)

 

My only small complaint is the noise floor - with sensitive phones and it's loud enough (to me). Compared to MK3's hissing level, Theorem is lesser and softer but still noticeable. using the TG334 and UM3xRC the hiss is loud enough to me - the hissing still noticeable at a very low volume during music. Using ATH3000ANV i also notice a slight hiss at Medium gain with no music. Please note, personally, i am too sensitive to noise floor and i hate it if there is, but in this Theorem case, i would make an exception, because even though it has, but not too bad.

 

ipc + theorem dac + Intruder + tg334

 

Forgot to mention - this Theorem is "heavy and big"..i won't suggest to have 3 stacks combo like my picture above to carry around unless u just put them on desk while listening...also the Theorem it self is "thick" - by looking at the picture above might not that bad (the 3 stacks one below), but in reality when u see it and feel it - trust me, they are damn burger-ing and weight like a ton. Anyways, i don't think we necessarily need another external amp once we use the Theorem - it will serve your music quite well enough just with it.

 

- yono


Edited by muzic4life - 10/11/13 at 12:37am
post #54 of 164

^^ Congrats Yono for your new Theorem 720 DAC

post #55 of 164
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post
 

^^ Congrats Yono for your new Theorem 720 DAC

Thank you my friend ! Tomorrow my S-EM6 is arriving...can't wait to fire up with this Theorem..as u have poisoned me..the sound is must be sooo good :D

post #56 of 164

My 8pin to USB mini-A cable just died on me and I can't seem to find a replacement.

Any tips?

 

Thanks!

post #57 of 164
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

My 8pin to USB mini-A cable just died on me and I can't seem to find a replacement.
Any tips?

Thanks!

Please try like mine from Moon Audio Silver Dragon v1 mini USB to Lod
post #58 of 164
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post


Please try like mine from Moon Audio Silver Dragon v1 mini USB to Lod

 

Thanks but like I said in the other thread, I'm not spending more than $10 on that 10cm cable ;)

 

Found it from TTVJ

 

http://www.ttvjaudio.com/Lightning_to_90_Mini_A_USB_p/cyp0000013.htm


Edited by Ultrainferno - 10/12/13 at 7:17am
post #59 of 164
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post
 

My 8pin to USB mini-A cable just died on me and I can't seem to find a replacement.

Any tips?

 

Thanks!


TTVJ carries all the Cypher Labs cables

post #60 of 164
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post
 

 

I really wish they don't hiss with IEMs as reported. If so..then i should cling to something else :tongue:

 

The hiss does EXIST with the 1p2 (will test other iems later) but not that bad. You can only hear it when there is no music, when music plays you hear no hiss. 

 


Edited by midnightwalker - 10/22/13 at 2:58pm
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