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post #61 of 149
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Originally Posted by Pedro Oliveira View Post
 

3 blob soundstage? Whats that?

 

The soundstage sounds like it is in 3 blobs, right, middle and left, with a gap between.

post #62 of 149
Thread Starter 
Bit is that inusual on headphones? Sorry for asking, i love audio quality but i am still a noob... biggrin.gif
post #63 of 149
I actually prefer refer imaging the same way as clock. XD 9'o clock to 12 o' clock for example xD
post #64 of 149
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Originally Posted by Pedro Oliveira View Post

Bit is that inusual on headphones? Sorry for asking, i love audio quality but i am still a noob... biggrin.gif

 

Hmmm not really but it is more noticeable in the Sennheisers, Momentums are alright anyway it is more the HD6xx series that are very noticeable for it, sort of like the sound is coming from your left, right and in the middle of your head, it sounds ok, just that it makes L/R imbalance or hearing imbalance very noticeable on Sennheiser.

post #65 of 149

I own the Momentums along with K550, Amperior, UE6000, Aviator, Yamaha Pro 400, and HD25-1. The Momentums do a lot well, but they are not a very lively can nor are they all that clear either. Soundstaging is kinda small too. I prefer all the phones I listed over it except the Aviators. My preference is for something neutralish that also possesses enough soundstage for my film scores, strong bass which doesn't muddy or distort along with enough treble energy to be exciting and not fatiguing. Yamaha Pro 400 is the only one that really fits that for me. As a bonus it also gets the timbre of wood and string instruments down incredibly well and makes drums and percussion sound like drums and percussions(a kick drum will sound like a kick drum instead of a click, for example). K550 is very nice but doesn't really have a strong bass. UE6000 has great tonality and clarity but no real treble energy. Amperior sounds beautiful and gives good weight to instruments but can also feel fatiguing.

post #66 of 149
Thread Starter 
Hi there fateicon... I havê the momentum as well and i like them but to be honest i expected a lot more... They are good! i am not saying they are not but also to my ears they they almost do not havê soundstage and although they do not do anything bad i do also think they do not excell at anything as well... They feel a bit dull sometimes... I am, thinking of getting a pairs of amperiors or hd25s.... i listen to everything, from keane, florence and the machine and ellie goulding to the killers, artic monleys, Queens of the stone Age, kings of leon, metronomy... and also to a lot of edm, specially trance... Wich one do you think would be better, more lively and punchier?

Cheers...
Edited by Pedro Oliveira - 9/19/13 at 4:47am
post #67 of 149

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I would suggest the Fidelio L1.  Cup comparison from a head-fi member:

 

post #68 of 149

The Amperior is fuller, richer, punchier, and nicer sounding than the hd25. HD25 is more neutral but also peakier. Both of those I think have better soundstage than Momentum. The Momentum, as you said is good, it just doesn't standout in any particular area. If you're listening to a lot of modern recordings, I would take the Yamaha 400 over this Sennheiser stuff. The Yamaha is plenty lively and punchy, just not Grado punchy. It takes the harsh edge off a lot of recordings that are a pain to listen to on the Amperior or K550. The K550 isn't too bad with dance or trance music since that stuff has a lot of bass. Amperior handles most stuff well, it just has this fatigue that sort of sneaks up on you. It's not as obvious as Grado fatigue, it just kinda seeps in and takes time to notice. 

 

Momentum is probably the least exciting closed phone among the notable ones. 

 

From least exciting/forward to most exciting here is how I would rank what I have among my closed phones

 

Aviator-Most

Amperior

K550

HD25

Yamaha 400

UE6000

Momentum-Least

 

How neutral is your source? I use a Sansa clip because it has been measured and the frequency response is basically flat/neutral. So it leaves all the coloration for the headphones and/or amp if you use one. None of the headphones is perfect, but I find the Yamaha to not have glaring flaws like most of the others.

post #69 of 149

I thought the momentums had pretty good treble, neutral.... I am not sure why you are rating them so badly... I don't like excessively bright headphones though.... For PORTABLE headphones for music only the Momentums are good, but for HOME headphones you can get much better soundstage etc.

post #70 of 149

Quick note on hd25, mdr 1r and momentum:

 

The hd25II (and amperior - upgrade to hd25) can sound better than the momentums especially on tracks where pace and impact is needed. For electronic music, trance and the like the hd25 sound easily better. Just more cleaner, less mellow and faster, tighter and dynamic. 

 

Overall I would say the mdr 1r is a definite step down in sound as it has a midrange that simply isn't detailed enough. Regardless of which system I've played it in (cost of even x10 the headphones price) it's always lacking in that department and that alone is enough to put it firmly below the momentum. It's soundstage is wider, more impressive and more suited for movies/orchestral pieces. It's got a bit of a digital edge to it making sounds a bit more artificial than I like which is never the case with the momentum.

 

Reading the above you probably wouldn't get the impression that I actually really like my MDR 1R. It's indispensable to my line up of headphones. Simply put, it's the most comfortable over ear headphone I've ever come across. I leave it for the times I have headaches or am tired and need to treat myself to smooth, inoffensive sound under ultimate headphone comfort.     

 

A headphone that compares very well sound wise to the momentum is the KEFm500. You may think it sounds better, and I could see why one would say that (e.g. definitely a better midrange), though it barely isolates and isn't very comfortable (poor pads for long term comfort). It's worth a shout though if the pads and the isolation don't bother you.

post #71 of 149
Thread Starter 

I use an ipod touch 4g, my nexus 7 or my Xperia Arc S. But most of the time the momentums are used on my ipod. I have no amps by the way....

 

Nicholars i know that your question was directed to fateicon but this is my opinion about the momentum's treble.... For example in trance.... When you have those beautifully loud strings and really cool synth sounds the momentums do not perform badly, they just fall short and most of the times you wish that they were more lively. On the other hand, for more calm and indie stuff (things like coldplay, keane, radiohead, and even in some rock stuff like artic monkeys or biffy clyro) the treble is just enough....

 

But most of the times i find myself wishing they had a "nastier" sound for edm and for some guitar riffs.... those damn riffs that you find for example on the Rammstein albums... You want them to be nasty but the momentums just delivers them very nicely and in a very polite way....

 

Sometimes they sound like they are gaining momentum (XD) and staring to extend on some tracks but they reach a point were the sound seems to hit a wall and contains hitself... like a "keep calm m8, dont loose your temper" attitude.... XD

 

Resuming... the Mometums are a gentleman's can.... But sometimes i wish they sounded more like a M***********!!!!!!!!! XD

 

To be honest the cal! and the momentums sound very identical to my ears... the only differences (to my ears) is that the momentums have very slightly thicker sound and also very slitghtly better resolution, but for example the aurvana's wins on soundstage hands down... to my ears the momentum almost have no soundtage and i dont know how people like the soundstage on the momentum... if they are coming from a v6 or something like the m50s i believe it may sound like an improvement on soundstage, but from a person that comes from the cal they seem like a stepback (in terms of soundstage not sq!!!!).

 

To be honest..... For a 300 euros pair of cans... I know they are closed... but coming from budget cans like the cal!'s and the v6's i expected a much bigger leap in sq than the one i got.... 

 

...maybe its me, maybe my ears are broken, maybe i am not an audiophile in any way.... but i have to be honest and say it... i expected better....

 

Isee people for example saying that the momentums have amazing resolution!!! yeah..... but to my ears i do not seem to nottest a very big difference to my other budget cans.....

 

I am really sorry but i am just being honest... they are good cans but.....


Edited by Pedro Oliveira - 9/19/13 at 12:54pm
post #72 of 149

The Momentums are pretty good but overpriced.... Much better than the CAL anyway, although the CAL are much better value.... What you have described there pretty much applies to every Sennheiser headphone, it is the Sennheiser sound.... Smooth but a bit boring, although the Momentums do not have the soundstage that is usually good on Sennheisers.... I think saying they sound the same as the CAL is a bit harsh though because they are clearly better, especially in the lower mids and bass although I like the upper mids and treble on the CAL... Overall I think the Momentums are good but they need to be about 25% bigger and foldable with a bigger soundstage, also I think something like £159 RRP would be better, £259 for what you get is not good value. The UE6000 are good value for £100, infact I have mine for sale on ebay if anyone is interested.


Edited by nicholars - 9/19/13 at 1:03pm
post #73 of 149
Thread Starter 

The Momentum are better not a doubt about about that... waht i am saying is that the leap in sq from the cal!'s to the momentum is not as big as i imagined... specially when you have the cal! 100 euros (retail price) against the 300 euros momentum... i know the momentums are better built but i am talking exclusively about sq.

 

There are good things on the mometum, guitars fo example sound much better and have more raw power on the momentums, but for example i like the more forward vocals on thecal!....

 

If this is the Senn sound do the amperior/hd 25 are that different? Maybe i should have gotten those.... XD

post #74 of 149

Sounds like you want some more aggressive headphones, Sennheisers are not very good for that sort of thing.... More of a relaxing type of sound.... Maybe something like Beyer DT880 would be good for what you want.

post #75 of 149
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

I thought the momentums had pretty good treble, neutral.... I am not sure why you are rating them so badly... I don't like excessively bright headphones though.... For PORTABLE headphones for music only the Momentums are good, but for HOME headphones you can get much better soundstage etc.

I think you're taking this out of context - if he rated the headphone badly, he wouldn't own it.

Personally I own it because it's actually technically a VERY good headphone, but I agree with fateicon if you consider that the Momentum does have a VERY relaxed sound signature. 

This has nothing to do with it being a 'bad' headphone - just depends what mood you're in at the time or if you have a preference for a 'fun sound'.

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