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post #31 of 113
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post
 

 

I wouldn't buy this solely to use as a PMP...

y not?

post #32 of 113

Because I don't want to be bringing around a 1-pound, 1-inch thick, ugly looking device with me in public. In that regards, the AK120 would be a far more viable option for a P[ortable]MP

You might as well bring out this instead. -.-

post #33 of 113
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post
 

Because I don't want to be bringing around a 1-pound, 1-inch thick, ugly looking device with me in public. In that regards, the AK120 would be a far more viable option for a P[ortable]MP

 

You might as well bring out this instead. -.-

 

 

Or this!

 

"Travel Rig" - 44.1/16 and 96/24 WAVs on multiple 64GB MicroSD > Sony PCM-M10 Line Out > 24VDC-powered TBI Audio Millenia MG3 (5.1 Watts into 50-Ohm) > TBI Impedance Match > Audeze LCD-2 rev.1

 

My "Travel Rig" - 44.1/16 and 96/24 WAVs on multiple 64GB MicroSD > Sony PCM-M10 Line Out > 24VDC-powered TBI Audio Millenia MG3 (5.1 Watts into 50-Ohm) > TBI Impedance Match > Audeze LCD-2 rev.1

 

 

"Travel Rig" - 44.1/16 and 96/24 WAVs on multiple 64GB MicroSD > Sony PCM-M10 Line Out > 24VDC-powered TBI Audio Millenia MG3 (5.1 Watts into 50-Ohm) > TBI Impedance Match > Audeze LCD-2 rev.1

 

:D

 

Mike

post #34 of 113
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Originally Posted by bakhtiar View Post
 

Android Smartphone Sony Xperia Z1 able to output digital stream  USB Audio via OTG  to USB DAC without any additional apps.

 

Here is my test setup :).

Z1 --OTG-->--Micro USB cable--> iBasso D10 ==> Sony XBA-C10.

 

App used? Files played? 24-192Khz?

 

Sorry for OT.

post #35 of 113
@Mike, u ever used iem on the M10? Hows the result?
post #36 of 113
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

@Mike, u ever used iem on the M10? Hows the result?

 

The M10's headphone amp is an afterthought - it's just there to allow monitoring while recording (or playback in the field).  I've spent all of five minutes total, using that headphone amp.

 

It's not bad in any way other than being weak - probably less power than a Sanza Clip+ and it doesn't sound as nice, in my opinion - it's a little thin and dry.

 

I'm expecting the D100 headphone out to be about the same.  I'm after the Line Out.  ;)

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 10/7/13 at 3:30am
post #37 of 113
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

The M10's headphone amp is an afterthought - it's just there to allow monitoring while recording (or playback in the field).  I've spent all of five minutes total, using that headphone amp.

It's not bad in any way other than being weak - probably less power than a Sanza Clip+ and it doesn't sound as nice, in my opinion - it's a little thin and dry.

I'm expecting the D100 headphone out to be about the same.  I'm after the Line Out.  wink.gif

Mike

Got it, thanks.
May not work for me..
post #38 of 113

I don't get wanting to use a digital recorder as a DAP/PMP. They're not designed really for optimal playback outside of checking and playing back what you recorded. Can they work? Maybe but it seems silly when there are so many better options. And the D100 is going to be more than the ZX1 which is specifically designed to be an audiophile PMP.

post #39 of 113

Yes, as I've just posted in another thread we're sharing, these PCM decks have none of the usual features of good DAPs - no shuffle, no playlists, no sorting, no searching by artist/album/song - they only offer folder browsing.  And their headphone amps are weak - just for monitoring while recording in the field.

 

The strength of these Sony PCM decks used as transports lies in using the Line Out to an external amp of your choice.  The forthcoming Sony NW-ZX1 Line Out might be able to compete with the Line Out of the PCM-D100, but I'm not sure of its specs.   24/192?  DSD128?  Does it even offer analog line out?  

 

One thing's for sure, the Sony NW-ZX1, like the PCM-D100, will be far more bug-free, if not perfectly bug-free, than just about every other DAP manufacturer's offerings...

 

Mike

post #40 of 113
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

Yes, as I've just posted in another thread we're sharing, these PCM decks have none of the usual features of good DAPs - no shuffle, no playlists, no sorting, no searching by artist/album/song - they only offer folder browsing.  And their headphone amps are weak - just for monitoring while recording in the field.

 

The strength of these Sony PCM decks used as transports lies in using the Line Out to an external amp of your choice.  The forthcoming Sony NW-ZX1 Line Out might be able to compete with the Line Out of the PCM-D100, but I'm not sure of its specs.   24/192?  DSD128?  Does it even offer analog line out?

 

One thing's for sure, the Sony NW-ZX1, like the PCM-D100, will be far more bug-free, if not perfectly bug-free, than just about every other DAP manufacturer's offerings...

 

Mike

 

 

The ZX1 supports up to 192/24. No DSD, but I have a feeling they'll add it in a firmware update (like they added FLAC to the Z).

post #41 of 113
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Originally Posted by FenderP View Post
 

I don't get wanting to use a digital recorder as a DAP/PMP. They're not designed really for optimal playback outside of checking and playing back what you recorded. Can they work? Maybe but it seems silly when there are so many better options. And the D100 is going to be more than the ZX1 which is specifically designed to be an audiophile PMP.

 

This is definitely one thing I can agree with you on. When I bought my PCM-D50 while in Japan back in '08, there was really nothing else out there which sonically fit the bill as nicely in so far as a professional recorder. I was wanting to move away from my MZ-RH1 MD recorder, particularly because one of my students in Beijing broke the unit a couple weeks prior, rendering the recording head useless.

 

But when the PCM-M10 came out, all my prayers were answered. Sporting an equally impressive noise floor and fantastic accuracy, the only thing missing from it compared to the D50 was the difference in the quality of the inbuilt mics and the elaborate configuration of the AD converters in the D50 for the dynamic limiting. As limiting has never been something I've ever needed to use on the recorders, it made the M10 my ultimate unit for sound and of equal importance, size.

 

While I still have my D50, I rarely touch it. Which then brings me to your same argument - why do people insist on carrying bricks around for the ultimate portable sound? It's all well and good if you're lazing about at home in a nice quiet room but when you're in a plane, train, motor vehicle or just in the great outdoors in general, no matter how good the isolation is of your best IEMs (and I have the Ultimate Ears UE11's), you're still going to have some kind of underlying noise leaking through even if it's ever so slight. It sort of makes the quest for the ultimate travel rig a waste of money especially when you rely on a device that's so dumbed down in its features for obvious reasons. I love my NW-F807 which I've dedicated as a car audio source thanks to the Android OS and the fact that I've automated its functionality using Automagic Pro. It's been a really refreshing change to be able to finally find a unit worthy of replacing my old collection of NW-A3000 units.

 

But hey, beauty is in the ear of the beholder. If someone can give me their perspective on it, I'm more than willing to listen with an open mind. I'm simply curious, not out to bash any aficionados.

post #42 of 113

I just want to say that there are many sufficiently quiet places where I can use my "travel rig," including my office, hotel rooms, and at the backyard hammock, where I occasionally hear a bird or two through my open LCD-2.  :D  But even as a passenger on long road trips, my car is quiet enough to enjoy the LCD-2 (as long as no one else is talking).  

 

Mike

post #43 of 113

Recent news regarding the PCM-D100:

 

Quoting excerpts from http://blog.sony.com/2013/10/sony-unveils-pcm-d100-high-resolution-audio-portable-recorder/

The headphone amp incorporates a high-capacity, ultra-low impedance 0.33F (330000μF) electric double-layer capacitor (EDLC), equivalent to 750 times the capacitance of conventional technologies. This stable power supply dramatically enhances the headphone power source, enabling more faithful reproduction of high-quality audio.
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Long recording times are possible with the PCM-D100 recorder: approximately 6 hours, 35 minutes when recording in Linear PCM (192 kHz/24-bit), or about 10 hours, 50 minutes in DSD (2.8 MHz/1-bit).
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The PCM-D100 recorder has 32 GB of built-in flash memory and a combination SD Card/Memory Stick slot for expandable storage. The recorder’s lightweight metal aluminum body is built to withstand the demands of professional applications and offers long battery life via four AA batteries.

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The PCM-D100 recorder is supplied with Sony’s Sound Forge Audio software, a wireless IR remote commander, a microphone furry windscreen, carrying case, four AA batteries, AC adapter and a USB cable.

The PCM-D100 recorder is planned to be available in early 2014 for a suggested list price of $999. 

 

 

Quoting the Specifications tab at http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-PCMD100/

 
General Specifications Detail:
Audio Formats Supported

Record: DSD, WAV and MP3

 

Playback: DSD, WAV, FLAC, MP3, WMA (Non DRM), AAC-LC (Non-DRM)

Built-in Mic Electret condenser microphones. Max input level: 128 dB SPL. Frequency response 20 Hz to 20 kHz
Mic Input (Stereo Mini Jack) Input impedance: 22 k ohm, Rated input level: 2.5 mV; Minimum input level: 0.7 mV
Line Input (Analog) (Stereo Mini Jack) Input impedance: 22k ohm; Minimum input level: 450mV; Rated input level: 2.0V
Line Input (Optical) Optical Digiital Input: Input level: -27 dBm to -14 dBm; Emission wavelength: 660 nm
Line Output (Analog) Output impedance: 220 ohms;Output level: 1.7V; Load impedance 22k ohms
Line Output (Optical) Output level: -21dBm to -15 dBm
Headphone Output Stereo Mini Jack; Maximum output: 25 mW + 25 mW or more; Load impedance: 16 ohms
Frequency Response 20Hz - 50kHz (Line In) @ DSD2.8 / 20Hz - 45kHz (Line In) @ LPCM 192kHz/24bit
Sampling Frequency DSD 2.8MHz, LPCM 192kHz/176.4kHz/96kHz/88.2kHz/48kHz/44.1kHz
Quantization 16-bit LPCM, 24-bit LPCM PCM and 1-bit DSD
S/N Ratio DSD 98dB or greater; LPCM 24 bit 96dB or greater
Total Harmonic Distortion (Line Input to Line Output) DSD: 0.008% or below (1kHz, 22kHz LPF)
LPCM: 0.006% or below (1kHz, 22kHz LPF)
Wow and Flutter Below measurable limit (less than +/-0.001%W.Peak)
USB High-speed USB,mass storage class
Power Consumption 0.75w
Power Requirements Four AA size Alkaline batteries (supplied). Four AA NiMH Rechargable batteries (optional)
DC Input Jack 6V
Battery Life 25 hrs @44.1kHz/16 bit; 18 hrs @192kHz/24bit or 12 hrs @ DSD2.8
Memory Stick Slot Accepts SD, SD-HC,SD-XC, Memory Stick Pro Duo and Memory Stick Pro-HG
Dimensions "2 7/8" x 6 1/8" x 1 1/4" (w x h x d) not including projecting parts and controls"
Weight 13.9 oz (including batteries)

 

 

Quoting http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=16605

 The PCM-D100 recorder is planned to be available in early 2014 for a suggested list price of $999, which will mean a street price of around $800.

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 10/31/13 at 5:00pm
post #44 of 113
While the zx1 getting positive comments in this part of the world, the D100 is generating a lot of noise in mainland China and Hong Kong as the "next" big thing.
Sony is taking over the world!!
post #45 of 113
Really? I would have thought the FiiO X5 would be the "next big thing." XD
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