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post #1306 of 18426
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post
 

Comparing the X3 and the DX50 in terms of value for money, let's look at the cost of the components where the DX50 is better than the X3:

 

Fiio X3 is $199
1. Better AMP section, with dual single high precision opamps: $199+$20 = 219USD
2. Better housing, $219+$10 = $229
IPS screen,$229+$10 = $239
Touch screen, $239+$15 = $254
OCA bonding $254+$5 = $259
3. OTG function, $259+$10 = $269
4. Gain swtich $269+$5 = $274
5. User replaceable battery $274+$10 = $284
6. Graphic user interface: $284+$5 = $289
 
Throwing in some $ for the very nice packaging, mini-to-coax cable etc., $299 would have been a fair price for the DX50.
 
(All cost estimates provided by a Chinese friend in the industry)

 

1. The X3's amp section is, by all indications, more powerful. Just because the DX50's amp is brighter does not make it better.

 

2. The X3's housing is entirely metal, unlike the DX50's

 

3. The X3 also has OTG, and will gain USB DAC functionality in the near future

 

4. The X3 also has interchangeable gain

 

5. The X3's battery is also replaceable, but requires the removal of two screws

 

6. Really?

 

7.The X3 actually works

 

8. The CEO of Fiio himself helps solve customer issues.

 

9. The X3 actually works.

post #1307 of 18426
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Originally Posted by gav007 View Post
 

 

 

I'm regretting it too. It's taking it's getting here and they possibly shipped mine to the wrong person...

UPDATE right now! It seems it has arrived to my country.

post #1308 of 18426
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

1. The X3's amp section is, by all indications, more powerful. Just because the DX50's amp is brighter does not make it better.

 

2. The X3's housing is entirely metal, unlike the DX50's

 

3. The X3 also has OTG, and will gain USB DAC functionality in the near future

 

4. The X3 also has interchangeable gain

 

5. The X3's battery is also replaceable, but requires the removal of two screws

 

6. Really?

 

7.The X3 actually works

 

8. The CEO of Fiio himself helps solve customer issues.

 

9. The X3 actually works.

 

I don't understand.  Are you saying that a business should only sell products that work?   Surely, no one would buy a product that doesn't work ... would they?   :-)

 

PS Ibasso sucks.

post #1309 of 18426

I posted the following is a DT660 thread, but thought I should repost it here too, since it is mostly about the DX50:

 

"I just had to share one of those audio Nirvana moments.

 

Since I only listen to classical, after reading this thread I picked up a pair of DT 660's.

 

One of my two portable listening setups is the ALO Rx-Mk3-B+ amp, fed FLAC files from a HiFiMan HM-602 DAP.  This combo sounded quite good with the 660's, very detailed, decent soundstaging and overall good choice for classical.  I gave it 8.5/10 on my personal evaluation system.

 

Then earlier this week I received an iBasso DX50.  So . . . I replaced the HM-602 with the DX50 - still using the RX-Mk3-B+ and the 660's.

 

Oh boy, this could very well be my endgame portable classical music listening system. All instruments sounded so precise and perfectly placed (medium-wide soundstage); the bass seemed just right - it was there only when it was supposed to be there (and strong when it was supposed to be strong).  The mids and highs had a beautiful musicality, yet sounded  totally accurate.  I was listening to Elgar's 1st symphony and ALL of the instruments sounded just right. It felt like sitting in row 12 in a big hall.  Anyway, I could go on rhapsodizing, but suffice it to say that the synergy with this setup is high.

 

I rated it a perfect 10/10, and I've only had that happen 2 other times - with HD800's + tube amp + Amperex pinched waist and Siemens CCa tubes.

 

By the way, the DX50 firmware is atrocious - uber-buggy, you can't have apostrophes in your filename (try copying a French Baroque album and renaming everything; what a treat), crashes a lot, doesn't read all the files, etc., etc, etc.  Anyway, the sound quality is great for classical and hopefully iBasso will eventually fix the firmware."

post #1310 of 18426

For those who are considering updating the fw, these are additional things i did to avoid problems with the update:

 

Deleted lost.dr on sd card.  Removed card from dx.  Factory reset uses "format."  Could in theory accidentally delete all the contents on your card.

Delete all contents of internal drive before copying the image file.

Eject the DX and disconnect from computer before updating.

 

I didn't have any issues when i updated.  However, some or all of the above steps might be unnecessary, but as i said i had no issues updating when i included the above steps.

post #1311 of 18426
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

1. The X3's amp section is, by all indications, more powerful. Just because the DX50's amp is brighter does not make it better.

 

2. The X3's housing is entirely metal, unlike the DX50's

 

3. The X3 also has OTG, and will gain USB DAC functionality in the near future

 

4. The X3 also has interchangeable gain

 

5. The X3's battery is also replaceable, but requires the removal of two screws

 

6. Really?

 

7.The X3 actually works

 

8. The CEO of Fiio himself helps solve customer issues.

 

9. The X3 actually works.

 

Someone's a bit jealous :|

 

I don't usually want to get into argumentations, but seeing as you defend X3 on all fronts let me ask you something:

1 - what are those "indications"? could you please elaborate?

2 - housing material doesn't mean **** if the fit and finnish isn't good. IIRC fiio had dust under the screen glass :)
3 - it may or may not. as well as iBasoo may or may not.

4 - ok, that's good. 2 stage vs 3 stage. :)
5 - my skull bones are also replaceable, they just require some meddling inside my head.

6 - well, I've got nothing to say here. it IS kinda weird point...

7 - so does DX50. BOTH have bugs (admittedly, x3 after ALL THOSE UPDATES has less at this point)

8 - wish iBAsoo did that. That's a good marketing and helps customers a lot.

9 - yeah, we get it.

 

also, some points you missed:

 

better screen.

better button layout (it's objectively much more intuitive and convenient)

post #1312 of 18426
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Originally Posted by nihontoman View Post
 

 

Someone's a bit jealous :|

 

I don't usually want to get into argumentations, but seeing as you defend X3 on all fronts let me ask you something:

1 - what are those "indications"? could you please elaborate?

2 - housing material doesn't mean **** if the fit and finnish isn't good. IIRC fiio had dust under the screen glass :)
3 - it may or may not. as well as iBasoo may or may not.

4 - ok, that's good. 2 stage vs 3 stage. :)
5 - my skull bones are also replaceable, they just require some meddling inside my head.

6 - well, I've got nothing to say here. it IS kinda weird point...

7 - so does DX50. BOTH have bugs (admittedly, x3 after ALL THOSE UPDATES has less at this point)

8 - wish iBAsoo did that. That's a good marketing and helps customers a lot.

9 - yeah, we get it.

 

also, some points you missed:

 

better screen.

better button layout (it's objectively much more intuitive and convenient)

 

I'm not jealous of a single thing as I don't own, nor plan to own, either DAP. My 80gb iPod Classic sounds great on the go, and I can effortlessly sync my entire library to it without even a hint of an issue. I'd just rather see actual facts used when presenting an argument. I know, I'm highly unreasonable.

 

 

I'm going to ignore all your points, as they do not befit the intellect of one who has gone through puberty. I will address the issue of the updates. The only issues Fiio has really had was with the track names, gapless, and the number of files that could be placed in the root folder. The first and third have been fixed. Second, the "indications" are the fact that it is necessary to use the DX50 with an amp to properly drive headphones. The X3 has no such issue.

 

The DX50's firmware is HALF-BAKED. They released a product that requires you to use your headphone jack and the coaxial port as a navigational tool in recovery mode? Seriously?! And Fiio is somehow worse?

 

Again, I don't own any Fiio products to be biased to them, I'm just biased towards facts.


Edited by eke2k6 - 9/13/13 at 12:18pm
post #1313 of 18426
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

I'm not jealous of a single thing as I don't own, nor plan to own, either DAP. My 80gb iPod Classic sounds great on the go, and I can effortlessly sync my entire library to it without even a hint of an issue. I'd just rather see actual facts used when presenting an argument. I know, I'm highly unreasonable.

 

 

I'm going to ignore all your points, as they do not befit the intellect of one who has gone through puberty. I will address the issue of the updates. The only issues Fiio has really had was with the track names, gapless, and the number of files that could be placed in the root folder. The first and third have been fixed. Second, the "indications" are the fact that it is necessary to use the DX50 with an amp to properly drive headphones. The X3 has no such issue.

 

The DX50's firmware is HALF-BAKED. They released a product that requires you to use your headphone jack and the coaxial port as a navigational tool in recovery mode? Seriously?! And Fiio is somehow worse?

 

Again, I don't own any Fiio products to be biased to them, I'm just biased towards facts.

 

I have both DAPs and I completely agree with you.  I've owned and enjoyed more Ibasso products than fiio so I cant be a fan boy. Truth is truth and eke's points are all on point.  That being said I kept the DX50 for the time being.

post #1314 of 18426

Personally, I agree with eke2k6 on his point #3-5 and #7-8.

 

However, it is hard to say whether or not X3's amp section is more powerful. iBasso did not provide power output with ohm load specified. Assuming iBasso's specs are for 32 ohm load, X3's amp is about the same as DX50. "Better" is a rather vague term.

 

X3 is not entirely metal either, per James. 

 

I would not put a number on certain functions though, as value depends on the end user. For example, I personally like touch screen and GUI, when firmware flows and supports those. But I know some may not care for those. 

 

Also, OTG may worth only $5 for user XYZ, but it is worth $30 for my use. And don't forget OTG is doable on either hardware, X3 only needs a firmware upgrade to offer OTG. 

 

I would like to know what Sorensiim's industry friend thinks about the CPUs though.

DX50 uses Rockchip RK2926 (A9, 1.2 GHz single core), while X3 uses Ingenic Z4760 600MHz dual cores.

1) Are both overkill for a DAP?;

2) Is one CPU significantly better than the other? 

3) Which one has more potential of firmware upgrade or mod? I heard Rockchip is restrictive?

4) Can both CPU OTG list 1TB content within reasonable time frame? Assuming power supply is not a concern.  

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

1. The X3's amp section is, by all indications, more powerful. Just because the DX50's amp is brighter does not make it better.

 

2. The X3's housing is entirely metal, unlike the DX50's

 

3. The X3 also has OTG, and will gain USB DAC functionality in the near future

 

4. The X3 also has interchangeable gain

 

5. The X3's battery is also replaceable, but requires the removal of two screws

 

6. Really?

 

7.The X3 actually works

 

8. The CEO of Fiio himself helps solve customer issues.

 

9. The X3 actually works.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post
 

Comparing the X3 and the DX50 in terms of value for money, let's look at the cost of the components where the DX50 is better than the X3:

 

Fiio X3 is $199
1. Better AMP section, with dual single high precision opamps: $199+$20 = 219USD
2. Better housing, $219+$10 = $229
IPS screen,$229+$10 = $239
Touch screen, $239+$15 = $254
OCA bonding $254+$5 = $259
3. OTG function, $259+$10 = $269
4. Gain swtich $269+$5 = $274
5. User replaceable battery $274+$10 = $284
6. Graphic user interface: $284+$5 = $289
 
Throwing in some $ for the very nice packaging, mini-to-coax cable etc., $299 would have been a fair price for the DX50.
 
(All cost estimates provided by a Chinese friend in the industry)
post #1315 of 18426
Thw X3 housing is definitely not "all metal." It's (rather flimsy) plastic with thin brushed aluminum plates bonded to the top and bottom.
post #1316 of 18426
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

1. The X3's amp section is, by all indications, more powerful. Just because the DX50's amp is brighter does not make it better.

 

2. The X3's housing is entirely metal, unlike the DX50's

 

3. The X3 also has OTG, and will gain USB DAC functionality in the near future

  1. The fact that FiiO went with an op amp that sacrifices clarity and linearity for punch and sheer power doesn't automatically make the amp section higher class.
    Besides, I think a lot of DX50 owners turned to external amps because they a) would try it anyway; b) they didn't like the DX50's amp section before burn in—or just old plain didn't like it. Happens.
  2. The thing that got me cautious about the X3 is the build quality. The DX50 reportedly feels more solid. Personally, I do feel like paying a little extra for that. Maybe not as much extra as the X5 would cost (leave alone the overpriced AK1x0s), but the DX50 seems about right.
  3. Does the X3 have OTG already? I thought James merely said they're planning it. Should we call the X3's FW half-baked too?

 

Now of course the iBasso's FW is half-baked, and you could argue they have less of an excuse than FiiO 'cause unlike FiiO the DX50 is not their first DAP. But the question Sorensiim was answering was whether the DX50 is worth its premium over the X3. And obviously for a lot of people it is.


Edited by hoichi - 9/13/13 at 12:59pm
post #1317 of 18426
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

DX50 uses Rockchip RK2926 (A9, 1.2 GHz single core), while X3 uses Ingenic Z4760 600MHz dual cores.

...

3) Which one has more potential of firmware upgrade or mod? I heard Rockchip is restrictive?

Going by what James have said when asked about the possibility of Rockbox, Ingenic should be about as restrictive.

post #1318 of 18426
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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post
 
  1. The fact that FiiO went with an op amp that sacrifices clarity and linearity for punch and sheer power doesn't automatically make the amp section higher class.
    Besides, I think a lot of DX50 owners turned to external amps because they a) would try it anyway; b) they didn't like the DX50's amp section before burn in—or just old plain didn't like it. Happens.
  2. The thing that got me cautious about the X3 is the build quality. The DX50 reportedly feels more solid. Personally, I do feel like paying a little extra for that. Maybe not as much extra as the X5 would cost (leave alone the overpriced AK1x0s), but the DX50 seems about right.
  3. Does the X3 have OTG already? I thought James merely said they're planning it. Should we call the X3's FW half-baked too?

 

Now of course the iBasso's FW is half-baked, and you could argue they have less of an excuse than FiiO 'cause unlike FiiO the DX50 is not their first DAP. But the question Sorensiim was answering was whether the DX50 is worth its premium over the X3. And obviously for a lot of people it is.

 

1. The amp section was chosen based on Fiio's house sound. Listen to any Fiio device, and you'll know who they are. If we want to debate SQ, how about comparing the X3 and DX50's respective line-outs, which most people seem to resort to on the DX50 anyway.

 

2. In the dozens of pages of the X3 thread, has anyone given the indication that their X3 has suffered build issues?

 

3. So because the X3's USB DAC dunction hasn't yet been implemented, the firmware is half baked like the DX50's? That's a HORRIBLE argument. Again, headphone jack and coaxial for navigation, entirely missing files, skippy playback, etc...all this is in the same bracket as the future feature that the X3 will have?

 

Sorenslim's argument was invalid, and that's no personal attack. The DX50 is simply not worth anything over the X3 except for the button layout, which I would prefer.

 

 

I won't be answering to anyone else, as I'm being put in a position where I seem to be making an argument for the X3.

post #1319 of 18426

Well, got my 2nd batch DX50 yesterday and played with it a bit last night... I am not a happy camper!  It looks awesome and I love the fact that I might not have to carry around my iPod & E7K stack anymore but the software needs some serious work.  It would seem an update is coming so I'm not writing off my DX50 just yet, but this thing is WAY too finicky about tags and I hate how even when using directory mode, if I go back it starts me out at the top again and I have to scroll through the whole list again.  This is exacerbated by the sometimes touch display that instead of just flicking up the list, instead selects a folder and then when I back out of that mistake... I'm back at the top!!!

 

I knew I was in for a bad ride when I loaded up my SD card and there was no sound/signal coming out of any of the ports even though it was showing that is was playing.  After a hard reset it finally started playing but would freeze or switch to a previous song with no warning.  Now to be fair, my SD card was filled with a bunch of crap files from my Mac when I copied my iTunes collection over.  These were all those files with ._ in front of them.  I was dreading having to manually remove thousands of files from individual folders but I found someone who already built a batch file code to do it for me.

 

The code is as follows:

 

del /s /a:h ._*

del /s /a:h .DS_Store

del /s /a:h .Trashes

@pause

 

Copy these lines of code into notepad and save the file as OSXDelete.bat or something .bat.  Put that file on the SD card filled with the folders from iTunes and double-click.  It will go through every folder and sub-folder and remove the BS Mac files from the card.  It worked beautifully for me and took about 10 minutes of running to clean up over 5000 songs.  I put the card back in the DX50 after cleaning off the crap files and it is much more stable now.  It still has its hiccups and the software still needs a ton of improvement to be a true stellar player but the potential is there.

 

I'm going to wait and see what iBasso does over the next few weeks and I hope they have some nice improvements planned for the firmware updates.  It would have been nice if these issues had been addressed earlier, but I understand that as an early adopter that I'M the testing division in this case.  When the DX50 does play though, it sounds really good.

post #1320 of 18426
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Is it me or does one of the chips say cirrus logic. I thought this thing had a wolfson dac?
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