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post #10771 of 18426
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Originally Posted by Hobgoblinpie View Post
 

 

Wasn't aimed at me, but here's a list of things to add/improve/change:

 

1. The font. Kerning and letter thickness should be uniform.

2. Addition of ReplayGain. iBasso have said that they aren't looking to add this soon - but it would be nice.

3. USB DAC functionality (supposedly going to be added next firmware update).

4. Ability to scan the SD card manually (add a button to the settings menu or something).

5. Option to remove the on-screen buttons, making the cover art take up more screen space (with physical buttons, I don't see the need. Worth keeping the scrollbar, however).

6. Option to manually select how far ahead each jump goes when using the 'next track' button. Currently set to around 10 seconds I think.

7. Proper playlist management system, as well as a way to export it to the SD card so it isn't entirely wiped when formatting/updating the system.

 

I'm sure I could think of others. Out of my original list of around 37 problems, only 4 remain. The others I didn't really consider problems myself, but would be nice additions. I would suggest trying to increase the responsiveness of the player to the physical buttons, but as I'm not knowledgeable in that area, it could be unfeasible (this is a relatively minor complaint).

 

 

I think your above functionality are all stuff I would like to see, not sure about Replaygain, I am not even sure what that is, let me google it. :D

 

We should petition iBasso en masse by sending them your above list and ask them to work on those instead of providing their own project agenda. It is more likely to hit them than the head-fi thread, just my thought.

post #10772 of 18426
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Originally Posted by Marco Angel View Post
 


Is kind hard to describe, you do a lot better on that, but the diference is real.

Also the dif bewteen the 24/96 vs 24/192 also does nothing on my ears.


I get your point, I surely feel it but again this is like describing what we mean by sound quality, everyone tries to describe it using other senses than their audition but it is never clear until you feel it and most importantly hear it yourself.

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Originally Posted by geagle View Post
 

Thanks, I actually had already found it, but certainly appreciate the suggestion…

 

I've been experimenting a bit, using a dsf extracted from the sacd ISO of Black Sabbath/Black Sabbath (title track), a 24/88 flac created from the dsf file through Korg Audiogate and a 24/88 flac created from the iso through foobar 2000.

 

First of all, my DX50 froze a few times while playing the dsf file, looks like it's definitely better not to touch many controls (worked fine if I just sat back and listened to the music, instead of going from 1 file to other, trying to A-Bing :smile:)…

 

Anyway, listening to the dsf was awesome:smile:… then I listened to the 24/88 flac produced by Korg and it was definitely awesome too:smile:… then I tried the foobar flac and I liked it a bit less, to tell the truth.. and, finally, I went back to my ordinary 16/44 file, and I found it quite awesome too:smile:… there were some differences, but to my ears, they really were quite subtle, not night-and-day variations, if this makes sense.

 

So I think that I'll skip using dsf, at least for the moment and on the DX50 (if the DX90 will have native DSD playback, it might be a different story)

 

I would not say that .DSF playback is flawless, sometimes stop/play buttons react with some delay and I have to restart file system of DX50. However, when it is played through the directory (basically all songs in album), there is no problem at all.

 

I obtained all my .dsf file by extracting from .iso image of SACD disk, using the utility I mentioned. DSD sounds fabulous, much better SQ than normal Red Book flacs, particularly of mastering of the recording is good. 

 

On a contrary, I am going to concentrate on DVD Audio and DSD recordings :) 

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Can you please explain how the other 3 would allow you and everyone else the advantages of providing the functionality, what I mean by that is not a theoretical explanation but just a short form describing what you think you would gain implementing it?

ReplayGain: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain
TL;DR: no need to change volume between tracks and albums mastered at different volume levels.

Crossfeed: When you listen to music with loudspeakers you hear sound from both speakers with both of your ears. Crossfeed simulates this by taking a bit of each channel and adding it to the other channel with a slight delay. It makes for a more natural sound when listening with headphones. Adjustable so that you can add more or less, and so you can turn it off for use with speakers.

Car mode: Turn off the engine, DX50 stops. Turn on the engine, DX50 starts. Less fumbling for buttons while driving makes for safer driving. An additional use is when used as a USB DAC once that feature is implemented: Turn computer off, DX50 shuts off per the automatic power off setting. Turn computer on, DX50 turns on and resumes DAC mode.
post #10775 of 18426

i getting nuts over here.

trying to fix the unresponsive forward button thus far nothing has helped.

every 10 times i click the dx50 goes 1 song forward.

anyone having similar problems?

is this a software problem or a hardware problem?

i think its hardware since the other buttons are working fine.

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On DSD, and there are many and you will not know unless you investigate, are just converted from lesser files. You think you are getting DSD but it is like getting a 16/44 that is up sampled to what appears to be a higher resolution, same music, different format. You have to know it is a true DSD source and that can be hard. So if you hear no difference, there most likely isn't any because it wasn't DSD to begin with. 


Edited by jamato8 - 1/28/14 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by ScreenKiller View Post

i getting nuts over here.
trying to fix the unresponsive forward button thus far nothing has helped.
every 10 times i click the dx50 goes 1 song forward.

Every batch seems to have a few units with flaky buttons. Return it for a replacement.
post #10778 of 18426
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Originally Posted by ratinox View Post


ReplayGain: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain
TL;DR: no need to change volume between tracks and albums mastered at different volume levels.

Crossfeed: When you listen to music with loudspeakers you hear sound from both speakers with both of your ears. Crossfeed simulates this by taking a bit of each channel and adding it to the other channel with a slight delay. It makes for a more natural sound when listening with headphones. Adjustable so that you can add more or less, and so you can turn it off for use with speakers.

Car mode: Turn off the engine, DX50 stops. Turn on the engine, DX50 starts. Less fumbling for buttons while driving makes for safer driving. An additional use is when used as a USB DAC once that feature is implemented: Turn computer off, DX50 shuts off per the automatic power off setting. Turn computer on, DX50 turns on and resumes DAC mode.


Replaygain is equivalent to sound check in the Apple world.

 

Crossfeed: may slightly cause havoc with panning, to me it sounds like it could potentially reduce field depth because of the left and right panning exercise and the mixture. If it is slightly then it might not be that bad. I wonder how much is needed to give it the effect.

 

Car mode: That can be kind a tricky to do and interfere with the current functionality.

 

Thanks for the info.

post #10779 of 18426

Im glad to see iBasso keeps upgrading the FW, i cancel my payment on mp4nation because the delays of the lunar new year but if ibasso stills pushing further the dx50 i will definitive grab one.

The usb Dac is a must nowdays, also i use on my mac at work to avoid the noises of everyone (yep, the headphone in the mac isnt great)

the DSF is quite on the heavy side, a lot of space and hardware requirements, dont know how the dx50 behaves playing them. also it is not so accesible yet.

Im sticking to the flac on its variants =)

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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post


I get your point, I surely feel it but again this is like describing what we mean by sound quality, everyone tries to describe it using other senses than their audition but it is never clear until you feel it and most importantly hear it yourself.

Some time ago I met a gentleman named Mr. placebo. Ironically he and I share the same taste in music and sound quality/signature. We get along quite well!biggrin.gif

Cheers,
Shawn
post #10781 of 18426
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Originally Posted by geagle View Post
 

Thanks, I actually had already found it, but certainly appreciate the suggestion…

 

I've been experimenting a bit, using a dsf extracted from the sacd ISO of Black Sabbath/Black Sabbath (title track), a 24/88 flac created from the dsf file through Korg Audiogate and a 24/88 flac created from the iso through foobar 2000.

 

First of all, my DX50 froze a few times while playing the dsf file, looks like it's definitely better not to touch many controls (worked fine if I just sat back and listened to the music, instead of going from 1 file to other, trying to A-Bing :smile:)…

 

Anyway, listening to the dsf was awesome:smile:… then I listened to the 24/88 flac produced by Korg and it was definitely awesome too:smile:… then I tried the foobar flac and I liked it a bit less, to tell the truth.. and, finally, I went back to my ordinary 16/44 file, and I found it quite awesome too:smile:… there were some differences, but to my ears, they really were quite subtle, not night-and-day variations, if this makes sense.

 

So I think that I'll skip using dsf, at least for the moment and on the DX50 (if the DX90 will have native DSD playback, it might be a different story)

 

Mine froze and reset itself, also reverting itself back to the default wallpaper about 3 times playing dsf files.  Though it usually happened at the end of playing one, or navigating to another file while already playing a dsf.  Freezing is present with those files.  

 

They sounded fun though.  Tried playing the beginning of a song in its DSD format and cd audio counterpart.  I detected extremely minor differences, nothing really pointing out one sounded better than the other directly, but I noticed differences.  Probably wouldn't notice the differences under normal listening conditions though.  lol

post #10782 of 18426
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post
 

 

 

I think your above functionality are all stuff I would like to see, not sure about Replaygain, I am not even sure what that is, let me google it. :D

 

Well, put simply, ReplayGain normalises the volume of tracks (either on a global setting or by album. The album version is useful in order to preserve volume levels between tracks that cross-over into the next). It's mostly useful if you have stuff copied from CDs (or from Vinyl) before the loudness war started, but if you don't have any (or much), then it doesn't have much real use. 

 

I don't really mind its absence, but it's a nice feature to have all the same.

 

EDIT: Just realised that the question had already been answered. Oops.


Edited by Hobgoblinpie - 1/28/14 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post

Replaygain is equivalent to sound check in the Apple world.

Except that, unlike Sound Check, ReplayGain actually works.
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Crossfeed: may slightly cause havoc with panning, to me it sounds like it could potentially reduce field depth because of the left and right panning exercise and the mixture. If it is slightly then it might not be that bad. I wonder how much is needed to give it the effect.

About 5% is a good default; that's what Rockbox uses. It doesn't affect panning, certainly no more than listening to loudspeakers, until you get into higher crossfeed percentages. At 100% you get a monaural signal. For some like me it gets rid of the "blobs in head" effect.

Crossfeed would mess up binaural recordings, but so does listening to binaural recordings with speakers so that should come as no surprise.
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Car mode: That can be kind a tricky to do and interfere with the current functionality.

Indeed. Everything else on my list is software. This one is hardware and it can't be made to work the hardware doesn't support it.
post #10784 of 18426

Difference please between 1.2.2 and the new 1.2.8  Need info on highs, mids, and bottom....Thank You so much for the help

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Originally Posted by BeBop Lives View Post
 

Difference please between 1.2.2 and the new 1.2.8  Need info on highs, mids, and bottom....Thank You so much for the help


Why don't you install it yourself on your player and test it? It is much better than relying on someone telling you how it sounds.

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