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Well, no, they're not. Rather, your ears are, but your brain isn't. This is why the AES performed 554 double-blind trials with a variety of listeners. Tested listeners correctly identified the SACD source 49.8% of the time. Short version: they guessed.

If you genuinely can tell the difference in double-blind trials then please contact the AES. They would love to study you.

As for me... I'm using a Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox more than my DX50. The Clip simply works better.

 

 

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Well, on my b&w 803 i have to say the 16/44.1 vs 24/96khz have a small but quite apreciable diference. More air between the instruments, more resolution, and also i can feel (for real) the music (like the vibration of strings or sax) this is dificult to hear on earphones due the lack of air being moved.

But on short, yep there is diference =)

 

Same here, I can get the instruments basic sound production like the cymbals that are slowly decaying in a decreasing swishing sound which is rather abrupt with the lower res, it is all those subtitle micro details that make the hi-res files a more enjoyable experience. Now I don't sense much past 96/24 so 192/24 and 96/24 no major differences if any.

 

Now I can vote that my ears and my brain for that matter does not give an a.. rat about the AES. They both will be very happy hearing the higher res files for their own enjoyment, entertainment and experience and not the AES's. :biggrin: 

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Well, on my b&w 803 i have to say the 16/44.1 vs 24/96khz have a small but quite apreciable diference.

Listening in your living room and hitting the skip button to change tracks isn't a valid test. The gold standard is double-blind AB or ABX trials in an anechoic chamber using the same original source masters for all formats being tested. Like I wrote: if you can reliably tell the difference under these conditions then the AES would love to get their hands on you. In 100 years or so of searching they've never found anyone who can. You would be the first.

Edit: no, audio engineers have not been searching specifically for people who can tell digital formats apart. They and others have been searching for genuine "golden ears", humans with significant sensitivity outside the 20Hz-20kHz range.
Edited by ratinox - 1/28/14 at 10:32am
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hummm this is sad! Lol

So, the only way to use the coaxial cable is with a DAC like DB2 (from Ibasso)?

Or get Ibasso D12

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Listening in your living room and hitting the skip button to change tracks isn't a valid test. The gold standard is double-blind AB or ABX trials in an anechoic chamber using the same original source masters for all formats being tested. Like I wrote: if you can reliably tell the difference under these conditions then the AES would love to get their hands on you. In 100 years or so of searching they've never found anyone who can. You would be the first.


There is no point going down the hi-res and low res debate, you are no the first one who reported it and nor are you going to be the last one. If one prefers hi-res files over low res then great, if you don't believe in it, great too but I don't think you should insist in keeping the threads going far too long on this subject and insist that people can't prove anything when you well know that there is no way for a simple mortal to repeat the conditions professionals have the money and the facility to do, we are listening to our music in the most natural habitat, our home, our work.


Can we please move to the iBasso thread main topic? The DX50.

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Can we please move to the iBasso thread main topic? The DX50.

I thought I was: DSD support on DX50 is a waste, and buying into DSD files is more waste. I would prefer iBasso to work on genuine improvements and useful functionality than boondoggles like this.
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My forward button has become unresponsive. What now? Tried everything. Reboot 're flash factory reset.

anyone similar issues?
Edited by ScreenKiller - 1/28/14 at 11:34am
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I thought I was: DSD support on DX50 is a waste, and buying into DSD files is more waste. I would prefer iBasso to work on genuine improvements and useful functionality than boondoggles like this.

 

First I don't think anyone disagrees with you on both points except possibly if one finds it useful to buy DSD files, that is their personal preference, not yours. Your second point is more interesting, would you care to expand on what functionality you think iBasso should work next on the DX50? 


Edited by musicheaven - 1/28/14 at 11:05am
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Your second point is more interesting, would you care to expand on what functionality you think iBasso should work next for the DX50?

Some of the things that I would like to see:

* ReplayGain. Yes, I know this isn't currently in iBasso's plans. I still want it.
* Adjustable cross-feed.
* Externally manageable playlist support.
* Car mode: pause when USB power is removed, resume when power is restored.
* Manual media scan/database update.
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Some of the things that I would like to see:

* ReplayGain. Yes, I know this isn't currently in iBasso's plans. I still want it.
* Adjustable cross-feed.
* Externally manageable playlist support.
* Car mode: pause when USB power is removed, resume when power is restored.
* Manual media scan/database update.

+1 on the last one.

 

The direct competitor (Fiio X3) has this option. Really helpful since you don't have to manually close the scanning screen on startup. If the tags on your files are not perfect (my case at the moment), you can simply go to browse mode and play whatever you want. And choose to update the library whenever you feel like.

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 It just reminded me of a strange behavior I noticed a couple hours ago.

 First, I know the tags on my files are not perfect according to DX50's requirements... but when I go to browse files and select some artist or album, it simply throws me back to "now playing" screen with an empty screen (no song playing). It even removed the wallpaper I was using!

 Happened several times with different selections!

 

 Removed the card, restarted the player and it is OK again, wallpaper still working.

 

 Conclusion: you must correct the tags accordingly or your DX50 will just behave randomly. There is no guarantee the browse mode will work if the tags are messed up. You may not even know if there are unlisted songs.

 

 DAP is excellent but really picky!

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Some of the things that I would like to see:

* ReplayGain. Yes, I know this isn't currently in iBasso's plans. I still want it.
* Adjustable cross-feed.
* Externally manageable playlist support.
* Car mode: pause when USB power is removed, resume when power is restored.
* Manual media scan/database update.

Both of the highlighted ones would also be in my wants, everything else useless to me but I would add the following:

USB - DAC functionality

 

The two highlighted you mentioned should be relatively easy for them to do, again I say relatively maybe except for the manual/auto update; you need configuration option for that and change the current scanning functionality.

My additional one would require a little more thinking as they have to allow you to switch between OTG and USB mode.

 

Can you please explain how the other 3 would allow you and everyone else the advantages of providing the functionality, what I mean by that is not a theoretical explanation but just a short form describing what you think you would gain implementing it?

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would you care to expand on what functionality you think iBasso should work next on the DX50? 

 

Wasn't aimed at me, but here's a list of things to add/improve/change:

 

1. The font. Kerning and letter thickness should be uniform.

2. Addition of ReplayGain. iBasso have said that they aren't looking to add this soon - but it would be nice.

3. USB DAC functionality (supposedly going to be added next firmware update).

4. Ability to scan the SD card manually (add a button to the settings menu or something).

5. Option to remove the on-screen buttons, making the cover art take up more screen space (with physical buttons, I don't see the need. Worth keeping the scrollbar, however).

6. Option to manually select how far ahead each jump goes when using the 'next track' button. Currently set to around 10 seconds I think.

7. Proper playlist management system, as well as a way to export it to the SD card so it isn't entirely wiped when formatting/updating the system.

 

I'm sure I could think of others. Out of my original list of around 37 problems, only 4 remain. The others I didn't really consider problems myself, but would be nice additions. I would suggest trying to increase the responsiveness of the player to the physical buttons, but as I'm not knowledgeable in that area, it could be unfeasible (this is a relatively minor complaint).

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Originally Posted by ratinox View Post


Listening in your living room and hitting the skip button to change tracks isn't a valid test. The gold standard is double-blind AB or ABX trials in an anechoic chamber using the same original source masters for all formats being tested. Like I wrote: if you can reliably tell the difference under these conditions then the AES would love to get their hands on you. In 100 years or so of searching they've never found anyone who can. You would be the first.

Edit: no, audio engineers have not been searching specifically for people who can tell digital formats apart. They and others have been searching for genuine "golden ears", humans with significant sensitivity outside the 20Hz-20kHz range.


If testing in freq area i doubt a machine could se something, it is more than that. it is mor complex (maybe another test or method).

Ive ABA test on my listening room mp3 vs 16/44.1 vs 24/96(studio) vs 24/96(vinyl) and every one have their caract. even the 16/44.1 have quite great sonic properties (music wise). Even a great 16/44.1 record vs a vinyl rip can sound better if the turntable wasn't at its best.

 

Everything changes if you can listen a good setup, if not, still can enjoy it, only you cant listen this kind of variatons, sorry mate.

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Same here, I can get the instruments basic sound production like the cymbals that are slowly decaying in a decreasing swishing sound which is rather abrupt with the lower res, it is all those subtitle micro details that make the hi-res files a more enjoyable experience. Now I don't sense much past 96/24 so 192/24 and 96/24 no major differences if any.

 

Now I can vote that my ears and my brain for that matter does not give an a.. rat about the AES. They both will be very happy hearing the higher res files for their own enjoyment, entertainment and experience and not the AES's. :biggrin: 


Is kind hard to describe, you do a lot better on that, but the diference is real.

Also the dif bewteen the 24/96 vs 24/192 also does nothing on my ears.

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Originally Posted by Hobgoblinpie View Post
 

 

Wasn't aimed at me, but here's a list of things to add/improve/change:

 

1. The font. Kerning and letter thickness should be uniform.

2. Addition of ReplayGain. iBasso have said that they aren't looking to add this soon - but it would be nice.

3. USB DAC functionality (supposedly going to be added next firmware update).

4. Ability to scan the SD card manually (add a button to the settings menu or something).

5. Option to remove the on-screen buttons, making the cover art take up more screen space (with physical buttons, I don't see the need. Worth keeping the scrollbar, however).

6. Option to manually select how far ahead each jump goes when using the 'next track' button. Currently set to around 10 seconds I think.

7. Proper playlist management system, as well as a way to export it to the SD card so it isn't entirely wiped when formatting/updating the system.

 

I'm sure I could think of others. Out of my original list of around 37 problems, only 4 remain. The others I didn't really consider problems myself, but would be nice additions. I would suggest trying to increase the responsiveness of the player to the physical buttons, but as I'm not knowledgeable in that area, it could be unfeasible (this is a relatively minor complaint).


just hope to ibasso keeps reading us. =D

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