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post #76 of 120
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

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- The last thing I would say is that for acoustic music it sounds muddy, actually its quite the opposite. For forward engaging music however I can see this being the case. The drivers don't seem to push the sounds forward enough to make them stand out. 

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The problem is that you always desire to turn the volume up to fill in the air with stronger sounds. However, it just doesn't happen. It gets loud but then feels like its going to cook the drivers....

 

I think what you were trying to convey is the notion that the X1 didn't have good power-handling capabilities. Means it's probably a good low~medium-volume listening headphone, and not a good high-volume one.

 

But yeah, the IF measurements of X1 do indicate that it has a very well-behaved, smooth, and neutral (with slight warm tilt) midrange and treble, evident both in FR and 300 Hz SQW. However it does seem to fall a little short on bass, in extension (30 Hz SQW, and FR), neutrality (FR), and cleanness (big THD hump) relative to headphones people compare it against i.e. HD650 and HE400.

 

Overall that meshes well with your subjective genre-based observations, in that the X1 would play very well with music heavy with midrange/treble, and not as well with music where bass is more relevant.

post #77 of 120

Thanks for backing the opinion up with facts jerg.

 

I said it sucked for electronic music because, generally speaking, it needs to have more oomph in its presentation of leading instruments. 

 

I did say what I was trying to say actually; maybe just not with the descriptive words that are typical in audiophile culture.

I do think that saying the "drivers don't push the sounds forward" may be inaccurate and technically wrong though. I definitely would be in the subjective/opinionated pool vs the technical/objective pool. Ie, me thinking neutral doesn't = natural and color is necessary to make it sound realistic sometimes.

 

Apart from the fact that it can't handle power ( even if it could), the instruments sound too distant. When listening to them at really loud levels it doesn't have any lead instruments dynamically. Positionally it does as I can hear which instruments are louder than the others but it takes teeny weeny bit of effort. On other headphones you don't even think about it. I don't expect turning the volume up to change its presentation but it is a default response to its one and only major flaw. By impulse I simply can't help but to turn the thing up regardless of what my logic is telling me. It mostly sounded like everything is a back up instrument to the bass.

 

But every headphone has its flavor. I like it sometimes and am debating buying it again or another modded t50 since I dont have an hd650 anymore. Definitley going for the alpha dog though.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 8/31/13 at 9:15pm
post #78 of 120

Yes what you are saying is that they do not have a well integrated overall sound.... Good on paper, not so good in real use, that is something which does not show up on FR graphs or square waves etc.

post #79 of 120

I just got the x 1's and like I was saying to someone else. After trying them, they sound WEAK. Everything is recessed and wimpy. My HD598's blow them out of the water, even in bass.

Total let down. So let down it makes me question if they're actually suppose to sound how they do. I have them plugged into a new Sony 7.1 a/v receiver.

post #80 of 120

they're sounding better on my laptop. i think ill be getting a small amp/dac for a piece of mind.

post #81 of 120

Can someone link me some good cables at guitarcenter that might work. I dont know what works. Example Will a patch cable work as X1 headphone cables? *facepalm help!!

 

 

is this quality?  http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wire-Stereo-3-5mm-Male-Stereo-1-4--Phone-Cable-102975919-i1166744.gc


Edited by Playstation - 11/23/13 at 10:54pm
post #82 of 120
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they're sounding better on my laptop. i think ill be getting a small amp/dac for a piece of mind.

Stock cable? If so, change it. 

post #83 of 120

Yeah stock. Just got the cans today. Do people really call around shopping for low impedance cables?

post #84 of 120
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Yeah stock. Just got the cans today. Do people really call around shopping for low impedance cables?

You may not think it'll make a difference but cable impedance can really **** with low impedance headphones like the X1. 

post #85 of 120
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The stock cable ****s with the sound due to high cable impedance. IE, a very poor quality cable. Try a different cable. People say that the V-MODA cable from the M-80/100/etc is a good fit, but if you have a basic 3.5mm interconnect lying around it should be fine.

 

This is one of the rare cases where the cable does make a difference, since the X1 is a low impedance headphone it needs a low impedance wire to carry the signal, else bad things start happening (muddled sound, poor treble and bass extension, etc etc). 


I spoke with someone who works in pro audio at guitar center. He said the stock cable that comes with the X1 is equivalent to their "quality Live Wire cable". So there would be no need in swapping unless you wanted to go with something like their $60 Ugami custom cables.

post #86 of 120
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The stock cable ****s with the sound due to high cable impedance. IE, a very poor quality cable. Try a different cable. People say that the V-MODA cable from the M-80/100/etc is a good fit, but if you have a basic 3.5mm interconnect lying around it should be fine.

This is one of the rare cases where the cable does make a difference, since the X1 is a low impedance headphone it needs a low impedance wire to carry the signal, else bad things start happening (muddled sound, poor treble and bass extension, etc etc). 


I spoke with someone who works in pro audio at guitar center. He said the stock cable that comes with the X1 is equivalent to their "quality Live Wire cable". So there would be no need in swapping unless you wanted to go with something like their $60 Ugami custom cables.
Then their "quality live wire cable" is poorly made and they don't know anything about how headphones work at their core. Impedance matching is important and differences in low and high impedance cables produces a measurable and audible degradation in sound quality with low impedance transducers.
post #87 of 120
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I spoke with someone who works in pro audio at guitar center. He said the stock cable that comes with the X1 is equivalent to their "quality Live Wire cable". So there would be no need in swapping unless you wanted to go with something like their $60 Ugami custom cables.
A cheap monoprice or mediabridge cable will work.
post #88 of 120

Cable swapping provides little improvements. Tyll confirmed this and said it was a shame. These headphones don't need extra amping etc. They sound how they sound pretty much and what you are hearing and describing to me is how they sound.... weak. If you turn the volume up they will distort fairly easy before you get them to sound exciting. I doubt your hd598's are better quality though. I wouldn't even go so far as saying that the hd650 has a better sound quality. The x1's render the instruments really well and realistically. Timbres, details and instrument separation are class act. You just have to listen to the right songs instead of trying to find the right genre. They sound beautiful for kick back listening where you want to hear the bass and chill out.

 

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. But they are far from the do it all headphone. More song selective than genre selective. Try less busy songs.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 11/25/13 at 5:57pm
post #89 of 120

Maybe what I'm looking for in a headphone isn't in my price range. :D

 

1.stronger bass than the X1's. 2. the mids of the 598's. 3. silky smooth treble. All for around $400-$500.

post #90 of 120

do you mean tighter bass?

stronger bass than the x1, mids of the hd598 and smooth treble.... yeah thats a tough one bro. The closest thing I can think of that is open is the lcd2. The x1 has more bass quantity but isn't nearly as in shape as the lcd2.

 

The lcd2 probably being the closest thing. I went through various headphones looking for the same thing until I got the lcd2. Skip over the he-500 if bass is what you are looking for(not really bass light but not x1 either)

If you don't mind closed headphones you may have some better luck with those specific FR requests. The x1 receives most of its praises because of the soundstage and the fact that the bass is full but doesn't affect the mids. Also that the mids and highs are smooth and neutral despite their distance.

 

I hear the akg k712 is awesome but I wouldn't expect its bass to be stronger than the x1, maybe tighter and more detailed but not nearly as much, The treble is sharp on some recordings to I read but the mids are awesome.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 11/25/13 at 9:37pm
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